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BrE: Leave it that you don't see

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Marius Hancu - 14 Nov 2006 22:13 GMT
Hello:

I am surprised a bit by the presence of "it" in
"Leave it that you don't see."

I think the sentence would work both and without "it."

How's the idiom these days?

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[Henry Wilcox doesn't agree with the idea of his sister-in-law
spending the night at Howard's End]

"Now Helen has no associations with Howards End, though I and Charles
and Evie have. I do not see why she wants to stay the night there. She
will only catch cold."

"Leave it that you don't see," cried Margaret. "Call it fancy. But
realize that fancy is a scientific fact. Helen is fanciful, and wants
to."

Then he surprised her--a rare occurrence. He shot an unexpected
bolt. "If she wants to sleep one night, she may want to sleep two. We
shall never get her out of the house, perhaps."

Howards End - E. M. Forster, p. 350
http://www.litrix.com/howards/howar038.htm
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Thanks.
Marius
Mike Lyle - 14 Nov 2006 22:24 GMT
> Hello:
>
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> Howards End - E. M. Forster, p. 350
> http://www.litrix.com/howards/howar038.htm

"Leave it" in this sense seems to me to be an idiom, so "it" can't be
removed without changing the meaning. It's the same "leave it" as in
"leave it at that". I'd find it difficult to assign a clear meaning to
"Leave that you don't see", but I'd probably expect it to mean
something like "Ignore your inability to see", rather than "Accept that
you don't see".

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Mike Barnes - 14 Nov 2006 22:36 GMT
In alt.usage.english, Marius Hancu wrote:

>Hello:
>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>realize that fancy is a scientific fact. Helen is fanciful, and wants
>to."

That's distinctly old-fashioned, to the extent that many readers would
find it incomprehensible. I didn't understand it on the first reading.
The "it" is necessary IMO. A modern speaker might express the same idea
by saying "You don't *have* to see".

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Marius Hancu - 14 Nov 2006 22:53 GMT
> >"Leave it that you don't see," cried Margaret. "Call it fancy. But
> >realize that fancy is a scientific fact. Helen is fanciful, and wants
> >to."
>
> That's distinctly old-fashioned, to the extent that many readers would
> find it incomprehensible. I didn't understand it on the first reading.

OK, I can relax a bit then:-)

> The "it" is necessary IMO.

Will do.

Thank you both.
Marius Hancu
Eric Walker - 14 Nov 2006 23:54 GMT
> I am surprised a bit by the presence of "it" in
> "Leave it that you don't see."
>
> I think the sentence would work both and without "it."
>
> How's the idiom these days?

"It" is much used as a pronoun when what it refers to is more or less
clear from the context.  Here, "it" is the general situation, the
conversation, the matter under discussion.  "Leave it that you don't
see" means "Let's just say that you don't see [understand], and stop
discussing it."  That particular phrase, "leave it that" usually
connotes distinct dissatisfaction on the part of the speaker, but no
desire to follow the matter further lest there be a sharper
disagreement or quarrel: saying, in effect, let's just agree to
disagree.
 
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