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Discussion Groups / English Usage / November 2006British eggs and domestic hens
Seen in <http://uk.news.yahoo.com/16112006/325/free-range-egg-labels-face -criminal-probe.html> "About 90 percent of British eggs are produced by domestic hens, including all those supplied by major retailers." What is this trying to say?  SignatureAlec McKenzie usenet@<surname>.me.uk > Seen in > <http://uk.news.yahoo.com/16112006/325/free-range-egg-labels-face [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > What is this trying to say? 90% laid by hens in Britain, as opposed to imported. Mike M > > Seen in > > <http://uk.news.yahoo.com/16112006/325/free-range-egg-labels-face [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > 90% laid by hens in Britain, as opposed to imported. If an egg is imported, it isn't a British egg, surely? SignatureAlec McKenzie usenet@<surname>.me.uk 2006-11-16 <find-280282.12325416112006@news.aaisp.net.uk>, >> > Seen in >> > <http://uk.news.yahoo.com/16112006/325/free-range-egg-labels-face [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > If an egg is imported, it isn't a British egg, surely? But what about eggs laid by imported hens? In alt.usage.english, Random832 wrote: >2006-11-16 <find-280282.12325416112006@news.aaisp.net.uk>, >> >> If an egg is imported, it isn't a British egg, surely? > >But what about eggs laid by imported hens? Good point. It all boils down to which was here first. SignatureMike Barnes Cheshire, England > 2006-11-16 <find-280282.12325416112006@news.aaisp.net.uk>, >>> 90% laid by hens in Britain, as opposed to imported. >> If an egg is imported, it isn't a British egg, surely? > > But what about eggs laid by imported hens? Or by gannets? SignaturePeter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org Please note the changed e-mail and web addresses. The domain eepjm.newcastle.edu.au no longer exists, and I can no longer receive mail at my newcastle.edu.au addresses. The optusnet address could disappear at any time. The Peter Moylan entity posted thusly: >> 2006-11-16 <find-280282.12325416112006@news.aaisp.net.uk>, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Or by gannets? I very nearly spit my dessert all over the keyboard when I read this. I can't see "gannet" without thinking of my favourite Monty Python skit (the bookshop). >> 2006-11-16 <find-280282.12325416112006@news.aaisp.net.uk>, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Or by gannets? It isn't true, anyway. 90% of eggs sold in British* supermarkets are laid by weevils and cockroaches. (*And probably most other countries', too.) -- Regards John for mail: my initials plus a u e at tpg dot com dot au Alec McKenzie: > > > "About 90 percent of British eggs are produced by domestic hens, > > > including all those supplied by major retailers." > > > > > > What is this trying to say? ... > If an egg is imported, it isn't a British egg, surely? Uh-huh. But what it's "trying to say" must be something like "eggs sold in British stores" or "eggs consumed in Britain". SignatureMark Brader | "Don't you want to... see my ID? ... I could be anybody." Toronto | "No you couldn't, sir. This is Information Retrieval." msb@vex.net | --Brazil >Alec McKenzie: >> > > "About 90 percent of British eggs are produced by domestic hens, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >Uh-huh. But what it's "trying to say" must be something like "eggs >sold in British stores" or "eggs consumed in Britain". Domestic hens are, well, domestic hens, as oposed to kiwis, larks, ostriches and nightingales. But it could be misread as meaning ones that live in the house, as opposed to the hen house. SignatureSteve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/stevesig.htm E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk > Seen in > <http://uk.news.yahoo.com/16112006/325/free-range-egg-labels-face [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > What is this trying to say? It's probably trying to say that 90% of the eggs [I originally thought "consumed", but after reading the article, I doubt that] sold in the UK are produced by native UK-resident hens. Whether the other 10% are laid by imported hens or are imported from foreign countries is unclear, but it probably means that they other 10% are imported from the three French hens across the Channel and Granjas De las Salmonelas [1] in Spain. I think the sentence is unclear and not really related to the rest of the story. [1] "Salmonella Farms" according to BabelFish. SignatureFranke: EFL teacher & medical editor Native speaker of American English; posting from Taiwan. Unmunged email: /at/easypeasy.com "Impatience is the mother of misery." >Seen in ><http://uk.news.yahoo.com/16112006/325/free-range-egg-labels-face [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >What is this trying to say? That the other ten percent come from GM eggplants? SignatureMillicent Tendency (TEFKATHE) > Alec McKenzie <find@sig.below> wrought: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > That the other ten percent come from GM eggplants? Wait just a dawggone minute there, Milli. Eggplants are veggies; they don't lay eggs nor grow 'em kneethur. I think you mean "egg plants". SignatureFranke: EFL teacher & medical editor Native speaker of American English; posting from Taiwan. Unmunged email: /at/easypeasy.com "Impatience is the mother of misery." >>Alec McKenzie <find@sig.below> wrought: >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Wait just a dawggone minute there, Milli. Eggplants are veggies; they > don't lay eggs nor grow 'em kneethur. I think you mean "egg plants". Eggplants is aubergines in Britain, they wouldn't see the mistake. --Jeff SignatureWhenever morality is based on theology, whenever right is made dependent on divine authority, the most immoral, unjust, infamous things can be justified and established. --Ludwig Feuerbach > dontbother wrote: >>>Alec McKenzie <find@sig.below> wrought: [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Eggplants is aubergines in Britain, they wouldn't see the > mistake. But "aubergine" is French, fer DeGaulle's sake! SignatureFranke: EFL teacher & medical editor Native speaker of American English; posting from Taiwan. Unmunged email: /at/easypeasy.com "Impatience is the mother of misery." > > dontbother wrote: > >>>Alec McKenzie <find@sig.below> wrought: [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > But "aubergine" is French, fer DeGaulle's sake! Mais non! It is just the English cannot .... Damm what did Shaw say? John Kane, Kingston ON Canada In alt.usage.english, Alec McKenzie wrote: >Seen in ><http://uk.news.yahoo.com/16112006/325/free-range-egg-labels-face [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >What is this trying to say? I think it means domestic as opposed to foreign. This use of "domestic" seems to me to be more common in the USA than the UK. SignatureMike Barnes Cheshire, England > Seen in > <http://uk.news.yahoo.com/16112006/325/free-range-egg-labels-face [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > What is this trying to say? I think this means the writer knows little or nothing about farming unless the right-pondian terminology is very different from the left-pondian. The title of the article "Free-range egg labels face criminal probe" implies that the chickens who produced the the eggs are allowed to run freely. I suspect today that does not mean ranging all around the county but at least are raised with access to the outside world where they would have access to a more varied diet [1] than battery chickens, raised in-doors and kept in small wire cages for their productive live. See http://www.animal-lib.org.au/lists/hens/hens.shtml 1. Insects, seeds, vegetation as well as chicken feed. John Kane, Kingston ON Canada On 16 Nov 2006, John Kane wrote >> Seen in >> <http://uk.news.yahoo.com/16112006/325/free-range-egg-labels-fac [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > probe" implies that the chickens who produced the the eggs are > allowed to run freely. "Free-range" is a defined (and, I think, controlled) description of agricultural practice over here -- it's not a vernacular description. SignatureCheers, Harvey Canadian and British English, indiscriminately mixed For e-mail, change harvey.news to harvey.van > The title of the article "Free-range egg labels face criminal probe" What's a face criminal and why is a free-range egg labeling it probe? SignatureEvan Kirshenbaum +------------------------------------ HP Laboratories |Never attempt to teach a pig to 1501 Page Mill Road, 1U, MS 1141 |sing; it wastes your time and Palo Alto, CA 94304 |annoys the pig. | Robert Heinlein kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com (650)857-7572 http://www.kirshenbaum.net/ > > The title of the article "Free-range egg labels face criminal probe" > > What's a face criminal Michael Jackson? > and why is a free-range egg labeling it probe? One can only surmise. :-\ -=Eric > > The title of the article "Free-range egg labels face criminal probe" > > What's a face criminal and why is a free-range egg labeling it probe? Err, we are not speaking about English here are we? It is a headline which is only tangently related to normal English. Still the picture of a bunch of white-faced labels being accosted by(facing) a rogue thermometer is striking. I assume the each label would have the slogan " Free Range Egg" written on it. John Kane, Kingston ON Canada > " Free Range Egg" ...in every box of cornflakes SignatureSML Sara Lorimer filted: >> " Free Range Egg" > >...in every box of cornflakes Which in turn reminds me of: http://www.jonco48.com/blog/open_20range.jpg ....r Signature"Keep your eye on the Bishop. I want to know when he makes his move", said the Inspector, obliquely. > Seen in > <http://uk.news.yahoo.com/16112006/325/free-range-egg-labels-face [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > What is this trying to say? Well my first impression was that poultry-keeping had become a national obsession. To me a 'domestic hen' is one running around in my back garden >> Seen in >> <http://uk.news.yahoo.com/16112006/325/free-range-egg-labels-face [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >national obsession. To me a 'domestic hen' is one running around in my >back garden I thought a "domestic hen" was one that had cooking and housekeeping skills. SignatureTony Cooper Orlando, FL >Seen in ><http://uk.news.yahoo.com/16112006/325/free-range-egg-labels-face [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >What is this trying to say? Major retailers in Britain support cottage industry. SignatureSteve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa Web: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk > Seen in > <http://uk.news.yahoo.com/16112006/325/free-range-egg-labels-face [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > What is this trying to say? Britain has a very strict immigration policy for hens. SignatureSkitt (in Hayward, California) http://www.geocities.com/opus731/ > > Seen in > > <http://uk.news.yahoo.com/16112006/325/free-range-egg-labels-face [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Britain has a very strict immigration policy for hens. Ah, I see! Those foreign hens that are allowed in, come here to lay their eggs! SignatureAlec McKenzie usenet@<surname>.me.uk |
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