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Maria - 18 Nov 2006 03:44 GMT
On this evening's news, I heard a woman, Robin Raskin (a "new media
consultant"), use the term "second life" in connection with the
hope-to-be purchasers of the new PlayStation (PS3).

Is this term out there a lot these days in reference to people who spend
so much time on PS-type games that it amounts to a second life for them?
I hadn't heard the term before.

I think you can see why I mention this here, in alt.usage.english.

So: Am I an aue "second lifer" or an aue "second liver"? (The former
sounds a bit better.)

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dontbother - 18 Nov 2006 04:16 GMT
> On this evening's news, I heard a woman, Robin Raskin (a "new
> media consultant"), use the term "second life" in connection
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> So: Am I an aue "second lifer" or an aue "second liver"? (The
> former sounds a bit better.)

I don't think so. It brings to mind the phrase "an aue second-
kidney" or "second-bladder".

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Amethyst Deceiver - 19 Nov 2006 18:51 GMT
>> On this evening's news, I heard a woman, Robin Raskin (a "new
>> media consultant"), use the term "second life" in connection
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>I don't think so. It brings to mind the phrase "an aue second-
>kidney" or "second-bladder".

You /don't/ think "second lifer" sounds better?
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Peter Moylan - 20 Nov 2006 03:43 GMT
>>> On this evening's news, I heard a woman, Robin Raskin (a "new
>>> media consultant"), use the term "second life" in connection with
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> You /don't/ think "second lifer" sounds better?

It would, except that it brings to mind "born again". Compared with
that, I think I'd preferred to be called a second pancreas, or whatever.

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Steve Hayes - 20 Nov 2006 04:42 GMT
>> You /don't/ think "second lifer" sounds better?
>
>It would, except that it brings to mind "born again". Compared with
>that, I think I'd preferred to be called a second pancreas, or whatever.

Interesting. To me it brings to mind being "dead again" -- a second term of
imprisonment for life, as "lifer" suggests to me someone sentenced to life
imprisonment.

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Gene Wirchenko - 21 Nov 2006 07:52 GMT
[snip]

>> You /don't/ think "second lifer" sounds better?
>
>It would, except that it brings to mind "born again". Compared with
>that, I think I'd preferred to be called a second pancreas, or whatever.

    "second liver"?

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

Computerese Irregular Verb Conjugation:
    I have preferences.
    You have biases.
    He/She has prejudices.
CDB - 21 Nov 2006 14:21 GMT
> [snip]
>
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>
>     "second liver"?

No, that's the worst.
Maria - 21 Nov 2006 16:15 GMT
>> [snip]
>>
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>
> No, that's the worst.

ITYM "wurst."

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CDB - 21 Nov 2006 20:40 GMT
>>> [snip]
>>>
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>
> ITYM "wurst."

Got to get reed of my occent.
Gene Wirchenko - 22 Nov 2006 01:31 GMT
>>>> [snip]
>>>>
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>
>Got to get reed of my occent.

    I am sorry, but that is not possible.  Some of the regular could
suggest new ones for you.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

Computerese Irregular Verb Conjugation:
    I have preferences.
    You have biases.
    He/She has prejudices.
CDB - 22 Nov 2006 15:09 GMT
>>>>> [snip]
>>>>>
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>     I am sorry, but that is not possible.  Some of the regular could
> suggest new ones for you.

Something ever softer and lower, I suspect.
dontbother - 20 Nov 2006 09:14 GMT
> dontbother <dontbother@mushmail.mom> wrote:
>>
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>
> You /don't/ think "second lifer" sounds better?

Sorry about that. I misread "former" as "latter". Hallucination, it
was, I'm sure of it.

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R H Draney - 18 Nov 2006 04:40 GMT
Maria filted:

>On this evening's news, I heard a woman, Robin Raskin (a "new media
>consultant"), use the term "second life" in connection with the
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>so much time on PS-type games that it amounts to a second life for them?
>I hadn't heard the term before.

When I saw the subject line, the theme song from one of the 1960s' most beloved
television series popped into my head:

 Some people say in the second life
 We all come back sooner or later
 As anything from a pussycat
 To a man-eating alligator.

 Now, you all may think my story
 Is more fiction than it's fact,
 But believe it or not, my mother dear
 Decided she'd come back
 As a car.

 She's my very own guiding star.
 A nineteen-twenty-eight Porter,
 That's my mother dear.
 She helps me through ev'rything I do
 And I'm so glad she's here.

....r

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rzed - 18 Nov 2006 12:41 GMT
> Maria filted:
>>
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>   She helps me through ev'rything I do
>   And I'm so glad she's here.

You are writing, aren't you, of the beloved series described in
<http://www.tvparty.com/recmothercar.html>?

<Quote>
Outlandish as some of those series were, it was My Mother the Car
that was destined to be held up in ridicule as one of the worst
television series of all time.

NBC was the butt of innumerable jokes for airing the show in the
first place - and leaving it there for an entire season. Still,
'My Mother the Car' was probably worth it to the network as fodder
for 'Tonight Show' punchlines for the next three decades.
</Quote>

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the Omrud - 18 Nov 2006 10:33 GMT
Maria <marian.c-b@sbcglobal.net> had it:

> On this evening's news, I heard a woman, Robin Raskin (a "new media
> consultant"), use the term "second life" in connection with the
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> So: Am I an aue "second lifer" or an aue "second liver"? (The former
> sounds a bit better.)

Second Life is an online "world" in which you take on a personality
and live, for as long as you like.  A bit like AUE with graphics.
http://secondlife.com/

People have been known to go in there and never come out.

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Marius Hancu - 18 Nov 2006 11:23 GMT
> On this evening's news, I heard a woman, Robin Raskin (a "new media
> consultant"), use the term "second life" in connection with the
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> so much time on PS-type games that it amounts to a second life for them?
> I hadn't heard the term before.

This may be connected by some to:

------
double life
(plural double lives)

life with two identities: a situation in which somebody is
simultaneously involved in two sets of circumstances or relationships
and keeps each completely separate, and usually secret, from the other

http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_1861689311/double_life.html
------

Marius Hancu
tinwhistler - 20 Nov 2006 04:53 GMT
> Is this term out there a lot these days in reference to people who spend
> so much time on PS-type games that it amounts to a second life for them?
> I hadn't heard the term before.

I think when Shakepeare uses "second life" in Act V sc 1 of _The
Tempest_, he's using in much the same sense as a "second chance;"
see:

http://www.bartleby.com/46/5/51.html

Alon.  What is this maid with whom thou wast at play?
Your eld'st acquaintance cannot be three hours.
Is she the goddess that hath sever'd us,
And brought us thus together?
 Fer.        Sir, she is mortal,
But by immortal Providence she's mine.
I chose her when I could not ask my father
For his advice, nor thought I had one. She
Is daughter to this famous Duke of Milan,
Of whom so often I have heard renown,
But never saw before; of whom I have
Receiv'd a second life; and second father
This lady makes him to me.
 Alon.        I am hers,
But, O, how oddly will it sound that I
Must ask my child forgiveness!
 Pros.        There, sir, stop.
Let us not burden our remembrances with
A heaviness that's gone.

Aloha ~~~ Ozzie Maland ~~~ San Diego
tinwhistler - 20 Nov 2006 05:02 GMT
> > Is this term out there a lot these days in reference to people who spend
> > so much time on PS-type games that it amounts to a second life for them?
> > I hadn't heard the term before.
>
> I think when Shakepeare uses "second life" in Act V sc 1 of _The
> Tempest_, he's using in much the same sense as a "second chance;"

Other literary references to "second life" in OED:

c1600 Shakes. Sonn. lxviii, Before the goulden tresses of the dead, The
right of sepulchers, were shorne away To liue a second life on second
head.

1631 Chapman C?sar & Pompey Plays 1873 III. 176 Yet tis free and kept
Fit for reiunction in mans second life.

1711 Pope Temp. Fame 505 Fame...that second life in others' breath.

1823 Lamb Elia Ser. ii. xviii. (1865) 359 Newly-apprehending gratitude
at second life bestowed.  

Aloha ~~~ Ozzie Maland ~~~ San Diego
Maria - 21 Nov 2006 03:18 GMT
>>> Is this term out there a lot these days in reference to people who
>>> spend so much time on PS-type games that it amounts to a second
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> 1823 Lamb Elia Ser. ii. xviii. (1865) 359 Newly-apprehending gratitude
> at second life bestowed.

The "second life" mentioned in my original post seems to refer to an
"alternate" life -- an ongoing involvement that does not reflect a
"second chance" per se. It also doesn't seem to be in line with the
other examples you cite (unless I've missed their meaning).

The best terms I can think of so far (other than "alternate life") seem
to be "secret life," or "is living two lives."

One reason "second life" caught my ear and eye is that I seem to have
one. Though my on-line persona is much like my "real self," there are
people who would be surprised at me were they to read all the posts I've
written over the years. They would probably see a Maria they didn't
really know.

(The "second-lifer" or "second-liver" remark was just a silly add-on.
I've got to learn to leave well enough alone when it comes to posts.)

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Arcadian Rises - 21 Nov 2006 03:35 GMT
> >>> Is this term out there a lot these days in reference to people who
> >>> spend so much time on PS-type games that it amounts to a second
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> (The "second-lifer" or "second-liver" remark was just a silly add-on.
> I've got to learn to leave well enough alone when it comes to posts.)

Totally unrelated to your online experience, the first thing that comes
to my mind in connection with "second life" is "split personality
disorder", something like Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, and probably I
shouldn't have blurted it out.

In light of the above, you may want to reconsider tinwhistler's
literary allusions that seem much more appropriate than my 2 cents.
tinwhistler - 21 Nov 2006 03:56 GMT
> One reason "second life" caught my ear and eye is that I seem to have
> one. Though my on-line persona is much like my "real self," there are
> people who would be surprised at me were they to read all the posts I've
> written over the years. They would probably see a Maria they didn't
> really know.

_Business Week_ (online) seems to have a second life living seven days
in the future, if what I see there today (20 Nov 2006) is any
indication:

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/06_48/b4011413.htm

NOVEMBER 27, 2006

Second Life Lessons
You may have heard the hype about popular 3D online universe Second
Life, but setting up shop there presents unique challenges

Aloha ~~~ Ozzie Maland ~~~ San diego
jerry_friedman@yahoo.com - 21 Nov 2006 23:36 GMT
> On this evening's news, I heard a woman, Robin Raskin (a "new media
> consultant"), use the term "second life" in connection with the
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> I think you can see why I mention this here, in alt.usage.english.

This one of me can.

> So: Am I an aue "second lifer" or an aue "second liver"? (The former
> sounds a bit better.)

How about "life away from life"?  (=BrE or ObsBrE "life from life"?)

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Maria - 22 Nov 2006 09:22 GMT
>> On this evening's news, I heard a woman, Robin Raskin (a "new media
>> consultant"), use the term "second life" in connection with the
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> How about "life away from life"?  (=BrE or ObsBrE "life from life"?)

Sounds like a possibility to me.

Taking it under advisement,
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