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Discussion Groups / English Usage / November 2006Winers and cheesers?
What do you call people who don't miss any lecture, seminar, big opening, etc, but only because they are interested in free food&booze and not in the show/lecture? > What do you call people who don't miss any lecture, seminar, big > opening, etc, but only because they are interested in free food&booze > and not in the show/lecture? Freeloaders. > > What do you call people who don't miss any lecture, seminar, big > > opening, etc, but only because they are interested in free food&booze > > and not in the show/lecture?Freeloaders. Thank you. Since I'm on freeloading (the topic of freeloading, of course, which I checked right away in the urban dictionary http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=freeloader ) wont you please tell me which is correct and why? 1."you can't freeload off my booze anymore" 2."you can't freeload on my booze anymore" >>>What do you call people who don't miss any lecture, seminar, big >>>opening, etc, but only because they are interested in free food&booze [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > 1."you can't freeload off my booze anymore" > 2."you can't freeload on my booze anymore" I would expect "off" both because it seems to be in dim memory and as a parallel to "live off," which it is roughly synonymous with. But I suspect someone else may chime in. --Jeff  SignatureWhenever morality is based on theology, whenever right is made dependent on divine authority, the most immoral, unjust, infamous things can be justified and established. --Ludwig Feuerbach > > What do you call people who don't miss any lecture, seminar, big > > opening, etc, but only because they are interested in free food&booze > > and not in the show/lecture? > > Freeloaders. Attorney John Baker posted at ADS as per the excerpt below, re "freeloader" origin: http://listserv.linguistlist.org/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0410E&L=ADS-L&P=R1432&I=-3 "During the 1840s saloons and hotels offered "free" lunches to attract beer and liquor customers. A person who loaded a plate with food but did not buy a drink or two was called a FREELOADER." "Reference: THE CITY IN SLANG - NEW YORK LIFE & POPULAR SPEECH by Irving Lewis Allen, $27.95 Aloha ~~~ Ozzie Maland ~~~ San Diego >>> What do you call people who don't miss any lecture, seminar, big >>> opening, etc, but only because they are interested in free [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > CITY IN SLANG - NEW YORK LIFE & POPULAR SPEECH by Irving Lewis Allen, > $27.95 The Port Canaveral Navy Greenhouse (an all-ranks club) still did that after work on Fridays when I was there in 1993 - 2000. Great gobs of hot wings and other stuff. Cheap beer too. SignatureSkitt (in Hayward, California) http://www.geocities.com/opus731/ > What do you call people who don't miss any lecture, seminar, big > opening, etc, but only because they are interested in free food&booze > and not in the show/lecture? Liggers. This from the OED: "One who gatecrashes parties, a free-loader. 1977 New Wave Mag. No. 7. 3 Us: Who actually writes the numbersyou and Billy? (Scuffles from liggers...) TJ: Ignore themthey're just journalists! 1982 Soundmaker 4 Dec The usual droves of music biz liggers. 1985 Observer 14 Apr. 16/9, I went to a party on Wednesday that was a liggers' dream. 1985 Legal Times 29 July 7/4 British reporters compiled lists for liggers..showing how one could eat and drink all day and most of the night at various breakfasts." DC > > What do you call people who don't miss any lecture, seminar, big > > opening, etc, but only because they are interested in free food&booze [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > DC Is "liggers" an alteration of "leeches"? > > > What do you call people who don't miss any lecture, seminar, big > > > opening, etc, but only because they are interested in free [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Is "liggers" an alteration of "leeches"? Could be. It was the Melody Maker's favourite word when I used to read it way back when. DC > Liggers. This from the OED: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > reporters compiled lists for 'liggers'..showing how one could eat and > drink all day and most of the night at various breakfasts." In the etymology of "ligger" OED cross-references "lig, v.:" [f. dial. var. of lie v.1] To idle or lie about (colloq.); also (slang), to sponge, to 'freeload'; to gatecrash or attend parties. 1960 20th Cent. Feb. 154 The ponce's air of having a function, an occupation..which totally distinguishes him from the mere 'ligging' layabout. 1967 Melody Maker 21 Jan. 6 When I was demobbed in 1960 I had no intention of going back to my trade as a fitter. I ligged around and joined Mike Peters. 1967 Sun 22 Feb. 6/6 Lig, loon, to kick one's heels or lounge about. 1969 It 4-17 July 10/2 It's a time for ligging in the streets and doing your thing, man. 1976 Zigzag Apr. 32/2 The Feelgoods, now ligging and gigging around America. 1981 New Standard 2 June 23/3 Ligging, partying. 1985 Radio Times 6 Apr. 16/2 [I] suddenly twigged what ligging was all about when I got my first job as a researcher on Aquarius. I found..I could get free tickets for everything, everywhere. 1985 Times 9 Apr. 8/5 A penniless young man who begins in Trafalgar Square with nothing but a pair of underpants and ligs his way onward and upward with clean-cut charm. Aloha ~~~ Ozzie Maland ~~~ San Diego On 19 Nov 2006, Django Cat wrote >> What do you call people who don't miss any lecture, seminar, >> big opening, etc, but only because they are interested in free [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > "One who gatecrashes parties, a ‘free-loader’. I don't think "ligger" applies to the described behaviour, since ligging implies bluffing your way in to an event you've not been invited to. From the description it sounds as if this freeloader has an invite, but is going for the "wrong" reason. SignatureCheers, Harvey Canadian and British English, indiscriminately mixed For e-mail, change harvey.news to harvey.van >> What do you call people who don't miss any lecture, seminar, big >> opening, etc, but only because they are interested in free food&booze [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >reporters compiled lists for liggers..showing how one could eat and >drink all day and most of the night at various breakfasts." I'm rather surprised that the first citation from the British pop/rock press is from as late as 1977. That first one coming from "New Wave Mag" (huh? Don't remember that one) makes it sound as though it was a coinage of the Burchill/Parsons mob who destroyed er I mean rejuvenated pop/rock journalism when punk came in, whereas I'm fairly sure that the likes of Lester Bangs, Charles Shaar Murray and Alan That Melody Maker Bloke Whose Surname Escapes Me had been using it for at least three or four years before then (i.e. back when Rod Stewart and Elton John were still taken at least half-seriously). A check of old issues of Creem, Beat Instrumental, Melody Maker, NME and Sounds from the early/mid-Seventies would find it, I reckon (although probably in the verb form, "lig(ging)", more often than as a noun). SignatureBrad Germolene > >> What do you call people who don't miss any lecture, seminar, big > >> opening, etc, but only because they are interested in free [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > sure that the likes of Lester Bangs, Charles Shaar Murray and Alan > That Melody Maker Bloke Whose Surname Escapes Me Has to be Chris Welch, whose 'The Raver' column was a litany of liggerdom. Roy Hollingworth(wood?) was the only one on MM who could actually write though... > had been using it for > at least three or four years before then (i.e. back when Rod Stewart > and Elton John were still taken at least half-seriously). A check of > old issues of Creem, Beat Instrumental, Melody Maker, NME and Sounds > from the early/mid-Seventies would find it, I reckon (although > probably in the verb form, "lig(ging)", more often than as a noun). Sadly I've thrown all mine away, though I'm open to offers for a collection of mid-80's 'Making Music' magazines. DC >> >> What do you call people who don't miss any lecture, seminar, big >> >> opening, etc, but only because they are interested in free [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] >Sadly I've thrown all mine away, though I'm open to offers for a >collection of mid-80's 'Making Music' magazines. Aha. So you've never heard of *New Wave Mag* or *Soundmaker* either, then. Incidentally, between my first post and this I tracked down a 1978 MM "liggers", which surely carries a bit more weight than just two fly-by-night rags as the only cites for the Seventies up to 1985, when the Observer used it. Here goes (you there, Jesse?): A crowd of Chrysalis representatives and assorted liggers heard that Bob Dylan was holding court with Rory Gallagher -- *Melody Maker*, 18 November 1978 SignatureBrad Germolene > What do you call people who don't miss any lecture, seminar, big > opening, etc, but only because they are interested in free food&booze > and not in the show/lecture? Graduate students. -Aaron J. Dinkin Dr. Whom > Arcadian Rises <Arcadianrises@aol.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Graduate students. PhD students. MA students don't qualify. SignatureFranke: EFL teacher & medical editor Native speaker of American English; posting from Taiwan. Unmunged email: /at/easypeasy.com "Impatience is the mother of misery." dontbother <dontbother@mushmail.mom> had it: > > Arcadian Rises <Arcadianrises@aol.com> wrote: > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > PhD students. MA students don't qualify. Daughter is an MEng student, but hasn't graduated. Like many engineering and science students in England these days, she's on a 4- year taught Masters from scratch. SignatureDavid ===== > dontbother <dontbother@mushmail.mom> had it: >> > Arcadian Rises <Arcadianrises@aol.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > engineering and science students in England these days, she's on > a 4- year taught Masters from scratch. Engineering students are different. They actually have to learn something concrete in order to graduate. Literature students, on the other hand, can make it through with MasterPlots and a lot of well- written bullshit. SignatureFranke: EFL teacher & medical editor Native speaker of American English; posting from Taiwan. Unmunged email: /at/easypeasy.com "Impatience is the mother of misery." dontbother <dontbother@mushmail.mom> had it: > > dontbother <dontbother@mushmail.mom> had it: > >> > Arcadian Rises <Arcadianrises@aol.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > other hand, can make it through with MasterPlots and a lot of well- > written bullshit. Dead right. She had a whole course on concrete in her first year, including a visit to a cement factory. SignatureDavid ===== > dontbother <dontbother@mushmail.mom> had it: >> > dontbother <dontbother@mushmail.mom> had it: [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Dead right. She had a whole course on concrete in her first > year, including a visit to a cement factory. Because sooner rather than later the earth will be covered by more concrete than grass and trees, this is a good thing to learn about. Cement, too. I hope it was UltraGlue, the kind they're inventing right now to keep the planet together when the really really really big one strikes. SignatureFranke: EFL teacher & medical editor Native speaker of American English; posting from Taiwan. Unmunged email: /at/easypeasy.com "Impatience is the mother of misery." > > dontbother <dontbother@mushmail.mom> had it: > >> > Arcadian Rises <Arcadianrises@aol.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > other hand, can make it through with MasterPlots and a lot of well- > written bullshit. I think that text lacks objective correlatives. I do hope, though, that Little Miss Omrud's course took in the topic of cement _springs_: that idea has always riveted me. Back in the seventies a metallurgist colleague once enlivened an interview by saying he wished he'd had the opportunity to spend more time studying ceramics: he explained himself, and got the post. SignatureMike. > I think that text lacks objective correlatives. I do hope, though, that > Little Miss Omrud's course took in the topic of cement _springs_: that > idea has always riveted me. People from the civil engineering department at the University of Sydney built, and flew, a concrete hang glider. Stupot >> I think that text lacks objective correlatives. I do hope, though, that >> Little Miss Omrud's course took in the topic of cement _springs_: that >> idea has always riveted me. > > People from the civil engineering department at the University of Sydney > built, and flew, a concrete hang glider. Next year's project: a lead balloon. SignaturePeter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org Please note the changed e-mail and web addresses. The domain eepjm.newcastle.edu.au no longer exists, and I can no longer receive mail at my newcastle.edu.au addresses. The optusnet address could disappear at any time. >>> I think that text lacks objective correlatives. I do hope, though, that >>> Little Miss Omrud's course took in the topic of cement _springs_: that [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Next year's project: a lead balloon. "Powered" by hot air from university administrators? SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english) > Daughter is an MEng student, but hasn't graduated. Like many > engineering and science students in England these days, she's on a 4- > year taught Masters from scratch. What is a "taught" Masters in British English usage? (I'm guessing it's contrasted with a research-oriented program[me]?) SignatureBuckwheat Soba Buckwheat Soba <me@privacy.net> had it: > > Daughter is an MEng student, but hasn't graduated. Like many > > engineering and science students in England these days, she's on a 4- > > year taught Masters from scratch. > > What is a "taught" Masters in British English usage? (I'm guessing it's > contrasted with a research-oriented program[me]?) Most Bachelors degrees at English/Welsh universities take three years. The qualification at the end of a four year taught Masters course is a Masters degree, but the course follows the form of a Bachelors degree - that is, it is taught throughout, with project work (as for any science/engineering degree), but no individual research component. On many such courses, students who do not do well enough in the first year are "demoted" to the Bachelors degree and may then graduate after three years with a BEng. To be a fully qualified Engineer in the UK, you have to be registered with an appropriate professional body and also with the Engineering Council which gives you the qualification of Chartered Engineer. For students graduating since about 1995 (I think), the Engineering Council has raised the level at which it considers that education is complete for CEng, although it then takes four or more years of supervised experience before CEng can be awarded. There is a European-wide CEng-equivalent qualification of "Eur Ing" (most European languages spell their form of Engineer with an I), which is a prefix like "Dr", but which is unknown to non-engineers in the UK. SignatureEur Ing David the Omrud, CEng (and a load of other stuff) ===== >There is a European-wide CEng-equivalent qualification of "Eur Ing" >(most European languages spell their form of Engineer with an I), >which is a prefix like "Dr", but which is unknown to non-engineers in >the UK. It's used very loosely, though, at least in Spanish-speaking countries. Although "engineer" still tends to conjure images of steam-shouded flywheels and balsa-wood models of suspension bridges in BrE, in Spanish even horticulturists are known as an *ingenieros agrónomos*. I've yet to see the prefix "Eur Ing" used in Spain, although "Ing." is -- as the Omrud says -- used a lot as a downmarket "Dr" prefix in Latin America, as is "Lic." (short for "licenciado*) for graduates of less applied subjects, roughly equivalent to our BA and BSc. SignatureBrad Germolene Brad Germolene <gguiri@yahoo.com> had it: > I've yet to see the prefix "Eur Ing" used in Spain, Ah, so that's who Brad Germoline is. I've only been away for two days (to Chertsey, wherever that is), but I come back to confused identities. SignatureDavid ===== > Brad Germolene had it: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > days (to Chertsey, wherever that is), but I come back to confused > identities. I wasn't even away and yet I didn't realize who Brad was. SignatureMaria There's only one 'n' in my email address, and it's not in my first name. >Brad Germolene <gguiri@yahoo.com> had it: > >> I've yet to see the prefix "Eur Ing" used in Spain, > >Ah, so that's who Brad Germoline is. I've only been away for two >days (to Chertsey, wherever that is), Isn't it what Chermans call one of the Channel Islands? >but I come back to confused >identities. I made a list of a few possible new names and asked for suggestions for others, expecting none -- and I certainly wasn't disappointed. (Laura replied splendidly but didn't really answer the question. She should stand for parliament.) So, of the ones I made up, since this was the only one that I could remember a couple of days later, it won. (Brad is short for Bradshaw, by the way, not Bradley.) Oh, and to help you keep up, Bucky has also remorphed back into Sal. There are also suspicions that Rt Hon Baron Burgoo of Mainstreaming MEP may have returned among us in another guise, but we're still waiting for confirmation. SignatureBrad Germolene > Oh, and to help you keep up, Bucky has also remorphed back into Sal. Yes, Buckwheat Soba seems not to have been well received, on the whole. SignatureSalvatore Volatile >> Oh, and to help you keep up, Bucky has also remorphed back into Sal. > >Yes, Buckwheat Soba seems not to have been well received, on the whole. My only complaint was that it didn't yield any anagrams that could compete with "Vanessa Vole-Saliva". SignatureBrad Germolene >>> Oh, and to help you keep up, Bucky has also remorphed back into Sal. >> >>Yes, Buckwheat Soba seems not to have been well received, on the whole. > >My only complaint was that it didn't yield any anagrams that could >compete with "Vanessa Vole-Saliva". Sorry, I meant Loretta. Or Lassivia. Or something. SignatureBrad Germolene >>> Oh, and to help you keep up, Bucky has also remorphed back into Sal. >> >>Yes, Buckwheat Soba seems not to have been well received, on the whole. > >My only complaint was that it didn't yield any anagrams that could >compete with "Vanessa Vole-Saliva". I couldn't help but think 'Buckyballs' on reading those posts, even when not merited. Pungent ammonia will be welcome relief. SignaturePaul In bocca al Lupo! >>Brad Germolene <gguiri@yahoo.com> had it: >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > (Laura replied splendidly but didn't really answer the question. She > should stand for parliament.) I thought I answered the question rather well, facilitating your choice by providing useful criteria. I was fascinated to see the persona you selected.... For the attention of BG: Embolden, rager! Bolder, anger me! Or emerge bland. [..] SignatureLaura (emulate St. George for email) >>>Brad Germolene <gguiri@yahoo.com> had it: >>> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >by providing useful criteria. I was fascinated to see the persona you >selected.... It's a fair cop. It was the lower-brain bit what made me do it, officer. >For the attention of BG: > >Embolden, rager! Bolder, anger me! Or emerge bland. Cor, that's Shakespeare! Embolden, rager! Bolder, anger me! Or emerge blind; ti-tum-ti-tum-ti-tum SignatureBrad Germolene Arcadian Rises filted: >What do you call people who don't miss any lecture, seminar, big >opening, etc, but only because they are interested in free food&booze >and not in the show/lecture? My name is Ron....r Signature"Keep your eye on the Bishop. I want to know when he makes his move", said the Inspector, obliquely. > What do you call people who don't miss any lecture, seminar, big > opening, etc, but only because they are interested in free > food&booze and not in the show/lecture? Mooches. SignatureFranke: EFL teacher & medical editor Native speaker of American English; posting from Taiwan. Unmunged email: /at/easypeasy.com "Impatience is the mother of misery." >> What do you call people who don't miss any lecture, seminar, big >> opening, etc, but only because they are interested in free >> food&booze and not in the show/lecture? > > Mooches. Hi-de-hi-de-hi-di-hi! SignaturePeter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org Please note the changed e-mail and web addresses. The domain eepjm.newcastle.edu.au no longer exists, and I can no longer receive mail at my newcastle.edu.au addresses. The optusnet address could disappear at any time. > What do you call people who don't miss any lecture, seminar, big > opening, etc, but only because they are interested in free > food&booze and not in the show/lecture? Saki used the phrase "regular Hunger Marcher" to good effect in "Tobermory": The cat has learned to talk -- 'Even in a delicate situation like the present, Agnes Resker could not endure to remain long in the background. "Why did I ever come down here?" she asked dramatically. Tobermory immediately accepted the opening. "Judging by what you said to Mrs. Cornett on the croquet-lawn yesterday, you were out of food. You described the Blemleys as the dullest people to stay with that you knew, but said they were clever enough to employ a first-rate cook; otherwise they'd find it difficult to get any one to come down a second time." "There's not a word of truth in it! I appeal to Mrs. Cornett-" exclaimed the discomfited Agnes. "Mrs. Cornett repeated your remark afterwards to Bertie van Tahn," continued Tobermory, "and said, 'That woman is a regular Hunger Marcher; she'd go anywhere for four square meals a day,' and Bertie van Tahn said-"' http://www.sff.net/people/DoyleMacdonald/l_tober.htm |
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