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Wonderland - 19 Nov 2006 12:14 GMT Are these right? (1) I was trying to tell you the truth but you cut the line (i.e. hang up the phone). (2) I was trying to call last night. When phone just rang once, you cut the line.
dontbother - 19 Nov 2006 12:28 GMT > Are these right? > (1) I was trying to tell you the truth but you cut the line > (i.e. hang up the phone). > (2) I was trying to call last night. When phone just rang once, > you cut the line. I don't know about "cut the line" as an idiom -- it might be good British English -- because it's not American English, but if you feel that you need to translate it into something clearer like "hung up the phone", you shouldn't use it.
(1) I was trying to tell you the truth, but you hung up on me.
This sounds better to me.
(2) I {did call / called} you last night. But after phone had rung just once, you cut the connection.
This sounds a little better to me.
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mike.j.harvey@gmail.com - 19 Nov 2006 12:35 GMT -> I don't know about "cut the line" as an idiom -- it might be good -> British English
Nope. We say 'hung up' usually. However, these days so many people use mobile or cordless phones which do not need to be replaced in a cradle or on a hook that 'cut the connection' is creeping in.
Derek Turner - 19 Nov 2006 12:46 GMT > -> I don't know about "cut the line" as an idiom -- it might be good > -> British English > > Nope. We say 'hung up' usually. However, these days so many people use > mobile or cordless phones which do not need to be replaced in a cradle > or on a hook that 'cut the connection' is creeping in. Or 'put the phone down (on me)' 'hung up' sounds a little left-pondian to my ears.
Mike Lyle - 19 Nov 2006 13:14 GMT > -> I don't know about "cut the line" as an idiom -- it might be good > -> British English > > Nope. We say 'hung up' usually. However, these days so many people use > mobile or cordless phones which do not need to be replaced in a cradle > or on a hook that 'cut the connection' is creeping in. Yes. But isn't it interesting that "off the hook" is still the normal Br expression for "with the handset off its cradle"? (For line telephones, that is.) There's also the expression "The 'phone was ringing off the hook" for a flood of continual calls: the thought being, presumably, that it rang so much that it shook the handset off. Behind it seems to lurk the poetic idea that a telephone ring can express feeling: in this case, excitement of some kind.
OT: I'm always irritated when films make standard British telephones go "Riiing! . . Riiing!", when in reality they say "Riing-riing! . . Riing-riing!" I don't know when the double-ring convention was established, but I imagine it was chosen so that they couldn't be confused with doorbells or servants' bells.
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the Omrud - 19 Nov 2006 13:12 GMT Mike Lyle <mike_lyle_uk@yahoo.co.uk> had it:
> OT: I'm always irritated when films make standard British telephones go > "Riiing! . . Riiing!", when in reality they say "Riing-riing! . . > Riing-riing!" I don't know when the double-ring convention was > established, but I imagine it was chosen so that they couldn't be > confused with doorbells or servants' bells. For the last 25 years it's been conventional that office phones have two ring sounds. The UK-standard "ring-ring ... ring-ring" indicates an external call, and "ring ... ring ... ring" tells you that the call is from another extension inside your own company.
These days, of course, we can choose what rings sound for each call, down to the individual caller.
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LFS - 19 Nov 2006 13:24 GMT >>-> I don't know about "cut the line" as an idiom -- it might be good >>-> British English [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Behind it seems to lurk the poetic idea that a telephone ring can > express feeling: in this case, excitement of some kind. Cartoon depictions of phones ringing always have an element of excitability although old-fashioned handsets were always fairly stable. even the flimsire Trimphones didn't move when they rang. But my mobile does jump about if set to "vibrate" - quite alarming if I'm not expecting it.
> OT: I'm always irritated when films make standard British telephones go > "Riiing! . . Riiing!", when in reality they say "Riing-riing! . . > Riing-riing!" I don't know when the double-ring convention was > established, but I imagine it was chosen so that they couldn't be > confused with doorbells or servants' bells. Didn't Lefpondians have doorbells or servants then? Their phones have a single ring IME.
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the Omrud - 19 Nov 2006 13:24 GMT LFS <laura@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk> had it:
> > OT: I'm always irritated when films make standard British telephones go > > "Riiing! . . Riiing!", when in reality they say "Riing-riing! . . [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Didn't Lefpondians have doorbells or servants then? Their phones have a > single ring IME. In the early 1900s? Nah, they were all living on the prairie in those days. There's nowhere convenient to put a door bell on a horse.
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Mike Lyle - 19 Nov 2006 16:48 GMT > LFS <laura@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk> had it: [...]
> > Didn't Lefpondians have doorbells or servants then? Their phones have a > > single ring IME. > > In the early 1900s? Nah, they were all living on the prairie in > those days. There's nowhere convenient to put a door bell on a > horse. Some friends who had a sweetie-pie Jersey house cow decided to bring her back a cowbell as a present from their holiday in Andalusia. They put the strap round her neck, and the poor thing went absolutely unJersily berserk trying to shake off this terrifying parasite. It seems they have to grow up with the things.
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LFS - 19 Nov 2006 17:32 GMT >>LFS <laura@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk> had it: > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > unJersily berserk trying to shake off this terrifying parasite. It > seems they have to grow up with the things. I've known cats who have been fitted with collars with bells be similarly disturbed.
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Mike Lyle - 19 Nov 2006 21:22 GMT > >>LFS <laura@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk> had it: > > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > I've known cats who have been fitted with collars with bells be > similarly disturbed. <Raises hand> I'd forgotten that experience.
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Sara Lorimer - 19 Nov 2006 21:40 GMT > > I've known cats who have been fitted with collars with bells be > > similarly disturbed. > > <Raises hand> I'd forgotten that experience. Yes, but you have thumbs -- it's easy enough for you to get the collar off, if you can reach around to the back of your neck.
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LFS - 19 Nov 2006 22:37 GMT >>>I've known cats who have been fitted with collars with bells be >>>similarly disturbed. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Yes, but you have thumbs -- it's easy enough for you to get the collar > off, if you can reach around to the back of your neck. <snort> I now have a wonderful picture of Mr L, wearing his panama and struggling to remove a cat collar.
What's the difference between a cat collar and a dog collar?
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Mike Lyle - 19 Nov 2006 22:43 GMT > >>>I've known cats who have been fitted with collars with bells be > >>>similarly disturbed. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > <snort> I now have a wonderful picture of Mr L, wearing his panama and > struggling to remove a cat collar. Well, damn! You mean I had to take the hat off first?
> What's the difference between a cat collar and a dog collar? Hmm...priest...minister...anabaptist...one'sh on a Persian and the other'sh on a parshon? ..moggie/doggie...OK, I give up.
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Tony Cooper - 19 Nov 2006 23:12 GMT >What's the difference between a cat collar and a dog collar? Very few cats aspire to be priests or vicars.
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HVS - 19 Nov 2006 22:44 GMT On 19 Nov 2006, Mike Lyle wrote
>>> Some friends who had a sweetie-pie Jersey house cow decided to >>> bring her back a cowbell as a present from their holiday in [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > ><Raises hand> I'd forgotten that experience. When I was a teenager, I made a loop of masking tape -- sticky side out -- and placed it on our cat's head, just to see what she'd do.
It wasn't intended to be cruel.
Laugh? Nearly wet myself.
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Mike Lyle - 19 Nov 2006 23:06 GMT > On 19 Nov 2006, Mike Lyle wrote > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Laugh? Nearly wet myself. That's a variant of the old vet's trick. To stop a cat messing about with sutures, you put a plaster on at least one of its paws, and it wastes its time trying to get that off.
I remember deriving much amusement from watching a cat trying to escape a paper bag on his head by trying to back out of it. I tried it on another cat, but this one had more brains and knocked it off quite easily with his paw.
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LFS - 19 Nov 2006 23:20 GMT >>On 19 Nov 2006, Mike Lyle wrote >> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > another cat, but this one had more brains and knocked it off quite > easily with his paw. I am appalled by these stories. I shall never view either of you in the same light again, in spite of the paper clip and the panama which I had previously found rather endearing.
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HVS - 20 Nov 2006 08:27 GMT On 19 Nov 2006, LFS wrote
>>> On 19 Nov 2006, Mike Lyle wrote >>> [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > in the same light again, in spite of the paper clip and the > panama which I had previously found rather endearing. What? You don't like animal baiting?
Huh. Girls. [shakes head]
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R H Draney - 20 Nov 2006 14:54 GMT LFS filted:
>> Some friends who had a sweetie-pie Jersey house cow decided to bring >> her back a cowbell as a present from their holiday in Andalusia. They [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >I've known cats who have been fitted with collars with bells be >similarly disturbed. News flash: it's not necessary to include the bell...my grandfather's cat underwent a terrifying transformation the first time they made him wear a collar....r
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Tony Cooper - 19 Nov 2006 13:44 GMT >Didn't Lefpondians have doorbells or servants then? Their phones have a >single ring IME. Our doorbell has two different rings...one for the front door and one for the back door. I can never remember which is which. Our dog, however, is never confused. She just goes to the thingy on the wall that emits the sounds and barks at it.
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CDB - 19 Nov 2006 17:08 GMT [...]
> Didn't Lefpondians have doorbells or servants then? Their phones > have a single ring IME. Not for long, if things were the same as in Susanna Moodie's day:
"When we consider the different position in which servants are placed in the old and new world, this conduct, ungrateful as it then appeared to me, ought not to create the least surprise. In Britain, for instance, they are too often dependent upon the caprice of their employers for bread. Their wages are low; their moral condition still lower. They are brought up in the most servile fear of the higher classes, and they feel most keenly their hopeless degradation, for no effort on their part can better their condition. They know that if once they get a bad character, they must starve or steal; and to this conviction we are indebted for a great deal of their seeming fidelity and long and laborious service in our families, which we owe less to any moral perception on their part of the superior kindness or excellence of their employers, than to the mere feeling of assurance, that as long as they do their work well, and are cheerful and obedient, they will be punctually paid their wages, and well housed and fed.
Happy it is for them and their masters when even this selfish bond of union exists between them!
But in Canada the state of things in this respect is wholly reversed. The serving class, comparatively speaking, is small, and admits of little competition. Servants that understand the work of the country are not easily procured, and such always can command the highest wages. The possession of a good servant is such an addition to comfort, that they are persons of no small consequence, for the dread of starving no longer frightens them into servile obedience. They can live without you, and they well know that you cannot do without them. If you attempt to practise upon them that common vice of English mistresses, to scold them for any slight omission or offence, you rouse into active operation all their new-found spirit of freedom and opposition. They turn upon you with a torrent of abuse; they demand their wages, and declare their intention of quitting you instantly. The more inconvenient the time for you, the more bitter become their insulting remarks. They tell you, with a high hand, that "they are as good as you; that they can get twenty better places by the morrow, and that they don't care a snap for your anger." And away they bounce, leaving you to finish a large wash, or a heavy job of ironing, in the best way you can."
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Oleg Lego - 19 Nov 2006 21:09 GMT The LFS entity posted thusly:
>>>-> I don't know about "cut the line" as an idiom -- it might be good >>>-> British English [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >Didn't Lefpondians have doorbells or servants then? Their phones have a >single ring IME. Two seconds ring, four seconds silence.
Steve MacGregor - 19 Nov 2006 21:30 GMT > Didn't Lefpondians have doorbells or servants then? Their phones have a > single ring IME. Doorbells, yes -- servants, no. They're only for rich people here.
We don't confuse telephones with doorbells here. Phones go RING!, and doorbells go DING-DONG!
Well, I have to take that last statement back. In the early 1960s, our family had a special telephone bell that went DING-DONG!, but it was a different sound than the doorbell. It did confuse visitors, though.
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R H Draney - 20 Nov 2006 14:53 GMT Steve MacGregor filted:
>We don't confuse telephones with doorbells here. Phones go RING!, and >doorbells go DING-DONG! > >Well, I have to take that last statement back. In the early 1960s, our >family had a special telephone bell that went DING-DONG!, but it was a >different sound than the doorbell. It did confuse visitors, though. I believe it was George Carlin who thought a doorbell should say "there's someone at the door!"...it was certainly he who gave thanks that the telephone wasn't invented by Alexander Graham Airraidsiren....r
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Frank ess - 20 Nov 2006 17:52 GMT > Steve MacGregor filted: >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > that the telephone wasn't invented by Alexander Graham > Airraidsiren....r Bill Cosby. It's on record.
Mark Brader - 20 Nov 2006 02:46 GMT Mike Lyle:
> Yes. But isn't it interesting that "off the hook" is still the normal > Br expression for "with the handset off its cradle"? (For line > telephones, that is.) ... It's Leftpondian too. And in the telephony business it becomes just "off-hook".
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Oleg Lego - 20 Nov 2006 03:54 GMT The Mark Brader entity posted thusly:
>Mike Lyle: >> Yes. But isn't it interesting that "off the hook" is still the normal [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >It's Leftpondian too. And in the telephony business it becomes just >"off-hook". Not only that, but it matters not a bit why the phone is active. If it is off-hook because the handset is off the hook, it is also off-hook if it is due to pressing a button, or auto-answering, etc.
Wood Avens - 19 Nov 2006 16:19 GMT >-> I don't know about "cut the line" as an idiom -- it might be good >-> British English > >Nope. We say 'hung up' usually. However, these days so many people use >mobile or cordless phones which do not need to be replaced in a cradle >or on a hook that 'cut the connection' is creeping in. I don't remember ever hearing "cut the connection". "You cut me off" sounds more natural to me (BrE).
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Nick Atty - 19 Nov 2006 16:28 GMT >>-> I don't know about "cut the line" as an idiom -- it might be good >>-> British English [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >I don't remember ever hearing "cut the connection". "You cut me off" >sounds more natural to me (BrE). And I can't imagine "cut the line" being used for anything other than to physically disconnect the cable - I could imagine it appearing in a thriller, say, where the hero picks up the phone, finds it dead and exclaims "they've cut the line!".
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Tony Cooper - 19 Nov 2006 12:52 GMT >Are these right? >(1) I was trying to tell you the truth but you cut the line (i.e. hang up >the phone). >(2) I was trying to call last night. When phone just rang once, you cut the >line. "Cut the line" would not be used in US English. We are sometimes "cut off", but that is when a call is dropped through no fault of either party. In 1), we'd use "you hung up the phone".
2) seems strange in any case. It sounds like the phone was never answered, so "hung up" would be wrong. Maybe "I was cut off" since there was no conversation started.
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