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userme@hotmail.com - 24 Nov 2006 23:54 GMT
I am reading an online profile of one woman who said " she does not
want the white picket fence" what does she mean by that?? thanks

the profile is this

"I am a fiesty, irish blonde with blue eyes and I like to laugh at life
(its how i cope with the mundane)and I am very open minded. I am
looking for a man to date and enjoy some good times with. I really
appreciate a great sense of humor. If you can make me laugh then I am
yours. I am not looking for marriage, kids and the white picket
fence...been there, done that. .
If you would like to know more then contact me"
Mark Brader - 25 Nov 2006 00:09 GMT
> I am reading an online profile of one woman who said " she does not
> want the white picket fence" what does she mean by that?? thanks

>> .... I am not looking for marriage, kids and the white picket
>> fence...been there, done that. .

White picket fences are a type of cheap fence common in the US.  Here
the phrase represents a typical traditional house in a pleasant, but
probably boring, residential area.  She's saying "I'm not an old-
fashioned girl who just wants to get married and have kids and find a
nice place to raise them -- I tried that lifestyle and didn't like it."
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jerry_friedman@yahoo.com - 28 Nov 2006 22:43 GMT
> > I am reading an online profile of one woman who said " she does not
> > want the white picket fence" what does she mean by that?? thanks
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>
> White picket fences are a type of cheap fence common in the US.

Or expensive, depending on your point of view.  Most home fences here
in northern New Mexico are made of some kind of unbarbed wire; I think
it's preferred because it's cheap.  (People here who can spend more
usually get a "coyote fence", with unpeeled sapling trunks ["latillas"]
attached to the wire, as picket fences are too representative of other
parts of the country.)

> Here
> the phrase represents a typical traditional house in a pleasant, but
> probably boring, residential area.  She's saying "I'm not an old-
> fashioned girl who just wants to get married and have kids and find a
> nice place to raise them -- I tried that lifestyle and didn't like it."

Can't argue with that (except that she could conceivably mean that she
liked it but doesn't want to repeat it).

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HVS - 28 Nov 2006 22:52 GMT
On 25 Nov 2006, Mark Brader wrote

>> I am reading an online profile of one woman who said " she does
>> not want the white picket fence" what does she mean by that??
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Here the phrase represents a typical traditional house in a
> pleasant, but probably boring, residential area.

I think it's the "conventional" rather than "cheap" aspect that's
being evoked.

A proper wooden picket fence is probably now quite expensive compared
to the alternatives -- and they're more expensive to maintain -- but
they remain rooted in the same class of boringly-conventional as 2.3
kids, a station-wagon, and church pot-luck suppers.

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Mark Brader - 29 Nov 2006 10:12 GMT
Mark Brader:
> > White picket fences are a type of cheap fence common in the US.
> > Here the phrase represents a typical traditional house in a
> > pleasant, but probably boring, residential area.

Harvey Van Sickle:
> I think it's the "conventional" rather than "cheap" aspect that's
> being evoked.

Agreed.  I mentioned cheap because that, I figure, is how they got
to be conventional.

> A proper wooden picket fence is probably now quite expensive compared
> to the alternatives...

Could be.
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Donna Richoux - 29 Nov 2006 13:08 GMT
> Mark Brader:
> > > White picket fences are a type of cheap fence common in the US.
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> Agreed.  I mentioned cheap because that, I figure, is how they got
> to be conventional.

I think the advantage of a picket fence (compared to a solid fence) is
that it lets in light, no? Not shading out plants and grass. It also
keeps in small animals and small children, unlike a (horizontal) rail
fence.

Someone recorded at Wikipedia that picket fences to back to the earliest
US colonial days, using the new-to-me term "First Period":

    First Period is a designation in American architecture and design.
    It refers to the time period of approximately 1626 through 1725.
    Its successor is the Colonial Georgian Period.

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Tony Cooper - 29 Nov 2006 13:27 GMT
>I think the advantage of a picket fence (compared to a solid fence) is
>that it lets in light, no? Not shading out plants and grass. It also
>keeps in small animals and small children, unlike a (horizontal) rail
>fence.

I think the advantages of a picket fence over a solid fence of the
same height is that the picket fence is more decorative and the picket
fence is cheaper and less work to build...fewer slats per section.

Picket fences are usually three to four feet high, so a comparable
fence with no spaces would only block the sun very early and very late
in the day.

 
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mb - 25 Nov 2006 00:16 GMT
> I am reading an online profile of one woman who said " she does not
> want the white picket fence" what does she mean by that?? thanks
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> fence...been there, done that. .
> If you would like to know more then contact me"

The white picket fence comes as part of a package deal with marriage in
Anglo-Saxon countries. If you want to get married, you first have to
sign an agreement to use it. The newlyweds are handed a bunch of
white-painted wood stakes to plant around their little handkerchief of
a front lawn. A Government inspector visits them periodically to ensure
that the fence is still there and properly maintained, and that the
spouses continue to belong to opposite  sexes.

What gets me, though, is that the lady describes herself as "feisty".
Opinionated, aggressive, quarrelsome and used to getting her way?
Meaning that she offers all the highly desirable features of marriage
without the white picket fence?
John O'Flaherty - 25 Nov 2006 04:35 GMT
> > I am reading an online profile of one woman who said " she does not
> > want the white picket fence" what does she mean by that?? thanks
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> Meaning that she offers all the highly desirable features of marriage
> without the white picket fence?

She said 'fiesty'- she's just a party girl.
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Stuart Chapman - 25 Nov 2006 06:14 GMT
>> What gets me, though, is that the lady describes herself as "feisty".
>> Opinionated, aggressive, quarrelsome and used to getting her way?
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> --
> John

Lucky she's not festy then.

Stupot
mb - 25 Nov 2006 06:18 GMT
> > What gets me, though, is that the lady describes herself as "feisty".
> > Opinionated, aggressive, quarrelsome and used to getting her way?
> > Meaning that she offers all the highly desirable features of marriage
> > without the white picket fence?
>
> She said 'fiesty'- she's just a party girl.

Hmm, you might have something there. Among thousands of obvious
misspellings on Google, there are a few that use it in the party girl
sense. Almost all on "My Space".
Amethyst Deceiver - 25 Nov 2006 18:06 GMT
>> I am reading an online profile of one woman who said " she does not
>> want the white picket fence" what does she mean by that?? thanks
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>that the fence is still there and properly maintained, and that the
>spouses continue to belong to opposite  sexes.

By "Anglo-Saxon countries" do you mean "the US"? White picket fences
aren't part of the standard marriage deal in the UK. Here it's roses
around the door.
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Peter Moylan - 26 Nov 2006 11:29 GMT
> What gets me, though, is that the lady describes herself as "feisty".
>  Opinionated, aggressive, quarrelsome and used to getting her way?
> Meaning that she offers all the highly desirable features of marriage
>  without the white picket fence?

<Name forgotten> once said "I don't believe in marriage any more. I just
find a woman I don't like and give her a house."

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ceceliaarmstrong@yahoo.com - 28 Nov 2006 22:15 GMT
Peter Moylan ha escrito:

> > What gets me, though, is that the lady describes herself as "feisty".
> >  Opinionated, aggressive, quarrelsome and used to getting her way?
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> receive mail at my newcastle.edu.au addresses.  The optusnet
> address could disappear at any time.

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BW - 25 Nov 2006 04:36 GMT
>I am reading an online profile of one woman who said " she does not
>want the white picket fence" what does she mean by that?? thanks

What the woman means is she is looking for some fun and not a long
term relationship.  She does not have an eye towards marriage!

The "white picket fence" is shorthand for "a rose covered cottage with
a white picket fence"  which at one time in American pop culture was
the idealized vision of marital bliss.  It signifies the husband
sweeping away his bride to a home of their own where they can raise
children and not be bothered by the cares of the world.

If you watch the Robert Altman movie, "The Player", you will see
Altman's cynical use of that very image at the end of the movie.

There is a pop song from the 1920's, "A Cottage For Sale" that trades
on the same image but with no sense of irony.

BW
TOF - 25 Nov 2006 15:02 GMT
> >I am reading an online profile of one woman who said " she does not
> >want the white picket fence" what does she mean by that?? thanks
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> BW

There are also a couple of movies that make fun of the image --- "The
Burbs", "American Beauty" ... was "The Stepford Wives" the one where
the evil genius was hand designing the women for the men? Even "Ferris
Bueller's Day Off" gives you a taste of it.

Some of the names of other movies have slipped my mind ...

There's that old TV series "Leave it to Beaver"  ... what was the name
of that movie in which someone is sucked through a TV into 50's
suburbia?

TOF
R H Draney - 25 Nov 2006 16:27 GMT
TOF filted:

>There are also a couple of movies that make fun of the image --- "The
>Burbs", "American Beauty" ... was "The Stepford Wives" the one where
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>of that movie in which someone is sucked through a TV into 50's
>suburbia?

"Pleasantville"...Reese Witherspoon before she was June Carter, Tobey McGuire
before he was Spiderman, and Don Knotts in his last major film role....r

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vorotyntsev@yahoo.com - 26 Nov 2006 00:13 GMT
> TOF filted:
> >
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> "Keep your eye on the Bishop.  I want to know when
>  he makes his move", said the Inspector, obliquely.

There was also a TV series called "Picket Fences," in the 80s, I think.
Skitt - 26 Nov 2006 00:38 GMT

> There was also a TV series called "Picket Fences," in the 80s, I
> think.

It ran 1992 to 1996.
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Sara Lorimer - 25 Nov 2006 18:39 GMT
> There are also a couple of movies that make fun of the image --- "The
> Burbs", "American Beauty" ... was "The Stepford Wives" the one where
> the evil genius was hand designing the women for the men? Even "Ferris
> Bueller's Day Off" gives you a taste of it.
>
> Some of the names of other movies have slipped my mind ...

How about "Parents"?

<http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0098068/>

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