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Discussion Groups / English Usage / November 2006the city that never sleeps
Can someone tell me what is the city that never sleeps and where this comes from? Some seem to think it's New York, and some say Vegas. > Can someone tell me what is the city that never sleeps and where this > comes from? Some seem to think it's New York, and some say Vegas. http://www.brave.com/bo/lyrics/nyny.htm  SignatureSkitt (in Hayward, California) http://www.geocities.com/opus731/ > > Can someone tell me what is the city that never sleeps and where this > > comes from? Some seem to think it's New York, and some say Vegas. > > http://www.brave.com/bo/lyrics/nyny.htm > -- Thanks for the lyrics, but can you sing it? I tried the first few lines then I gave up. >> > Can someone tell me what is the city that never sleeps and where this >> > comes from? Some seem to think it's New York, and some say Vegas. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Thanks for the lyrics, but can you sing it? >I tried the first few lines then I gave up. Karaoke time! The music is in MIDI format at: http://www.scaryhalloweensounds.com/sounds/midis/MP/newyork_newyork.mid This can be played by Windows Media Player or any other midi-capable audio player. SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english) > >> > Can someone tell me what is the city that never sleeps and where this > >> > comes from? Some seem to think it's New York, and some say Vegas. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > -- I remember former Mayor of NY Ed Koch trying to sing this famous song a cappella (no Karaoke!) "Start spreading the news" is easy, then it gets more complicated, but Mr. Koch wasn't at all shy to display his baritonal tone and deaf ear. > Can someone tell me what is the city that never sleeps and where this > comes from? Some seem to think it's New York, and some say Vegas. "The City That Never Sleeps" is New York City, but the city that actually never sleeps is Las Vegas. New York does get pretty sleepy between 4:30 and 5 a.m. Pierre SignaturePierre Jelenc | New on Home Office Records: Ethan Lipton | www.homeofficerecords.com www.ethanlipton.com The Gigometer | Pepper Of The Earth: the HO blog www.gigometer.com | www.homeofficerecords.com/blog Pierre Jelenc filted: >> Can someone tell me what is the city that never sleeps and where this >> comes from? Some seem to think it's New York, and some say Vegas. > >"The City That Never Sleeps" is New York City, but the city that actually >never sleeps is Las Vegas. New York does get pretty sleepy between 4:30 >and 5 a.m. In Starship's song "We Built This City", a voiceover announcer refers to San Francisco with the same epithet.... By way of contrast, either Buffalo or Cleveland is the city that never fully wakes up....r Signature"Keep your eye on the Bishop. I want to know when he makes his move", said the Inspector, obliquely. >> Can someone tell me what is the city that never sleeps and where this >> comes from? Some seem to think it's New York, and some say Vegas. > > "The City That Never Sleeps" is New York City, but the city that actually > never sleeps is Las Vegas. New York does get pretty sleepy between 4:30 > and 5 a.m. Or earlier. The nickname "The City That Never Sleeps" is an old one that got applied when New York really *didn't* sleep (when it was common to have music sets in nightclubs that *began* at 2am, for example -- this was the case as late as the early 1950s from what I understand). By comparison with those times the modern New York is dreadfully sleepy. But it's less sleepy than most other American cities. If Las Vegas is an exception, I'd think it only applies to the casino/hotel district. SignatureSalvatore Volatile > Or earlier. The nickname "The City That Never Sleeps" is an old one that > got applied when New York really *didn't* sleep (when it was common to > have music sets in nightclubs that *began* at 2am, for example -- this was > the case as late as the early 1950s from what I understand). That's still the case, if you know where to look. But unless you have an illegal after-hours joint, they do close down at 4. Pierre SignaturePierre Jelenc | New on Home Office Records: Ethan Lipton | www.homeofficerecords.com www.ethanlipton.com The Gigometer | Pepper Of The Earth: the HO blog www.gigometer.com | www.homeofficerecords.com/blog >> Or earlier. The nickname "The City That Never Sleeps" is an old one that >> got applied when New York really *didn't* sleep (when it was common to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > That's still the case, if you know where to look. But unless you have an > illegal after-hours joint, they do close down at 4. My NYC life began when I was too old to be hopping subways in the middle of the night to chase down music clubs. But my Chicago life included going to blues clubs that locked the doors at closing time: no one came in or went out until the joint could be legally open. And the much lamented torching of Joe's Place in Inman Square in Cambridge. MA put an end to some very late sets. Sharing beers with Big Boy Crudup, Hound Dog Taylor, Peter Stampfel, and Spider John Koerner are memories I will always cherish. > And the much lamented torching of Joe's Place in Inman Square in > Cambridge. MA put an end to some very late sets. Sharing beers with > Big Boy Crudup, Hound Dog Taylor, Peter Stampfel, and Spider John > Koerner are memories I will always cherish. Did you get a cool nickname too? Brian SignatureIf televison's a babysitter, the Internet is a drunk librarian who won't shut up. -- Dorothy Gambrell (http://catandgirl.com) On 28 Nov 2006, Default User wrote >> And the much lamented torching of Joe's Place in Inman Square >> in Cambridge. MA put an end to some very late sets. Sharing >> beers with Big Boy Crudup, Hound Dog Taylor, Peter Stampfel, >> and Spider John Koerner are memories I will always cherish. > > Did you get a cool nickname too? Amblin' Marty Ambuhl? SignatureCheers, Harvey Canadian and British English, indiscriminately mixed For e-mail, change harvey.news to harvey.van > >> Or earlier. The nickname "The City That Never Sleeps" is an old one that > >> got applied when New York really *didn't* sleep (when it was common to [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > going to blues clubs that locked the doors at closing time: no one came > in or went out until the joint could be legally open. I'm told that the owner of a former bar here in New Mexico sometimes said, when things were really hopping at closing time, "The law says I can't sell you any more liquor. But nothing says you can't stay here and have a party with my liquor. I'll be back in the morning." I like that attitude, but I don't like the fact that the bar was in a very sparsely populated area (especially then), with most of its customers driving ten or twenty miles to get to it from various towns, so those customers were responsible for more than their share of drunk-driving accidents. > And the much lamented torching of Joe's Place in Inman Square in > Cambridge. MA put an end to some very late sets. Sharing beers with Big > Boy Crudup, Hound Dog Taylor, Peter Stampfel, and Spider John Koerner > are memories I will always cherish. Obaue: "Sharing beers... are memories..."? I think the simplest solution would be to change the verb. Maybe "gave me memories". SignatureJerry Friedman > I'm told that the owner of a former bar here in New Mexico sometimes > said, when things were really hopping at closing time, "The law says I [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > so those customers were responsible for more than their share of > drunk-driving accidents. That reminds me of the little tavern in Medicine Park, Oklahoma, that my buddies and I used to patronize when we were in the Army. It was run by two young and pretty sisters, Goldie and Pat (the place was owned by their dad, and they all lived in the back). On one occasion, when we had a nice friendly crowd in there, we locked the doors and partied well into the wee hours. Nobody kept track of the beer consumption, and nobody paid for the beers then. We were presented with the "damages" the next time we went there, and, of course, we paid up. I'm quite sure that the count of the consumed beers was not accurate and favored the house, but what the heck ... it was a nice party. One of the sisters gave me her picture (she was a bit young, though), and I had one date with the other. What did hurt my feelings a bit was that the older sister showed up at the paymaster's on my day of discharge to make sure I paid my bar bill before taking off for California. I suppose I can't blame her for that, but still ... SignatureSkitt (in Hayward, California) http://www.geocities.com/opus731/ > Can someone tell me what is the city that never sleeps and where this > comes from? Some seem to think it's New York, and some say Vegas. Or Shanghai, known in Chinese oldies as "bu ye cheng" - a city without a night. >Can someone tell me what is the city that never sleeps and where this >comes from? Some seem to think it's New York, and some say Vegas. The 1953 film, "City That Never Sleeps", takes place in Chicago. http://imdb.com/title/tt0045631/ BW >>Can someone tell me what is the city that never sleeps and where this >>comes from? Some seem to think it's New York, and some say Vegas. > > The 1953 film, "City That Never Sleeps", takes place in Chicago. > http://imdb.com/title/tt0045631/ That's very funny, given the marked sleepiness of present-day Chicago. Perhaps things were different in the past (and to be fair, New York used to be less sleepy too). SignatureSalvatore Volatile >>Can someone tell me what is the city that never sleeps and where this >>comes from? Some seem to think it's New York, and some say Vegas. > > The 1953 film, "City That Never Sleeps", takes place in Chicago. > http://imdb.com/title/tt0045631/ Going by the character names, that's not a remake of the 1924 film, _The City That Never Sleeps_ http://imdb.com/title/tt0014777/ so I don't know whether it was set in Chicago or not, and none of the reviews I can find are any help, but it was set in some city that has a Fifth Avenue, which I'd take to be New York (since the reviews use this without explanation as if it meant something). It was an adaptation of Leroy Scott's novel _Mother O'Day_. SignatureEvan Kirshenbaum +------------------------------------ HP Laboratories |The vast majority of humans have 1501 Page Mill Road, 1U, MS 1141 |more than the average number of Palo Alto, CA 94304 |legs. kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com (650)857-7572 http://www.kirshenbaum.net/ > Going by the character names, that's not a remake of the 1924 film, > _The City That Never Sleeps_ [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > this without explanation as if it meant something). It was an > adaptation of Leroy Scott's novel _Mother O'Day_. Two postings by Barry Popik at ADS suggest a first use in San Francisco: CITY THAT NEVER SLEEPS This is much earlier than the Kander & Ebb song. As I said earlier on ADS-L, I believe this was first used in San Francisco. There are some movie titles with this (see ADS-L archives, or the movie database www.imdb.com). The first NEW YORK TIMES hit is the rather late 28 September 1924, pg. X5--and it's the movie title! http://listserv.linguistlist.org/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0208D&L=ADS-L&P=R4405&I=-3 CITY THAT NEVER SLEEPS Several cities (New York, Chicago, et al.) have claimed the title of "the city that never sleeps." The controversy is keeping me awake at night. I checked a few databases (for movie titles, see www.imdb.com): 1924--THE CITY THAT NEVER SLEEPS, a film directed by Jame Cruze. http://listserv.linguistlist.org/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9910A&L=ADS-L&P=R2395&I=-3 Popik did find a NYTimes usage from 1924, a reference to the movie that came out that year -- I'm thinking the movie had a setting in San Francisco. Aloha ~~~ Ozzie Maland ~~~ San Diego >> Going by the character names, that's not a remake of the 1924 film, >> _The City That Never Sleeps_ [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Two postings by Barry Popik at ADS suggest a first use in San > Francisco: On the other hand, on his web site, Popik quotes a 1912 article in the Fort Wayne _News_ that implies that it was already known to refer to New York: NEW YORK, Sept. 6.--In addition to the greatest electric lighting plant New York is now to have the greatest gas plant in the world, surpassing even that which supplies the needs of London, and as a result is soon to add to its title of the city that never sleeps that of the city that never grows dark. http://tinyurl.com/y7453k <URL:http://www.barrypopik.com/index.php/new_york_city/ entry/city_that_never_sleeps/> > Popik did find a NYTimes usage from 1924, a reference to the movie > that came out that year -- I'm thinking the movie had a setting in > San Francisco. Not unless San Francisco had a Fifth Avenue that would have been meaningful back then to readers in Los Angeles: There is no haunting sorrow in what happens, but there are some touches of real pathos, and one of the best is where the mother encounters her daughter in front of her Fifth-avenue home, and unrecognized, is met by a snippy little comment from the youngster. [_LA Times_, 9/8/1924] SignatureEvan Kirshenbaum +------------------------------------ HP Laboratories |English grammar is not taught in 1501 Page Mill Road, 1U, MS 1141 |primary or secondary schools in the Palo Alto, CA 94304 |United States. Sometimes some |mythology is taught under that kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com |rubric, but luckily it's usually (650)857-7572 |ignored, except by the credulous. | John Lawler http://www.kirshenbaum.net/ On the other hand, on his web site, Popik quotes a 1912 article in the Fort Wayne _News_ that implies that it was already known to refer to New York: NEW YORK, Sept. 6.--In addition to the greatest electric lighting plant New York is now to have the greatest gas plant in the world, surpassing even that which supplies the needs of London, and as a result is soon to add to its title of the city that never sleeps that of the city that never grows dark. New York apparently deserved the honor. It is one thing to have people cleaning the streets at night, and another to have restaurants open. Galveston Daily News, The (Newspaper) - January 30, 1910 ... Subscription - Galveston Daily News, The - NewspaperArchive - Jan 30, 1910 But New York is going to have a big- ger restaurant, running day and night, in the. section of the city that never sleeps. Its site will be on the block ... The Nebraska State Journal (Newspaper) - September 11, 1910 ... Subscription - Nebraska State Journal - NewspaperArchive - Sep 11, 1910 ... unless It must' Yes, a New York hotel is open all the twenty-four hours of the day, and there, as I suggest, it typifies a city Which never sleeps. ... The New York Times (Newspaper) - April 29, 1906, New York, New York Subscription - New York Times - NewspaperArchive - Apr 29, 1906 Nearly half bf-Nexy York-lives by night and sleeps by1'day. The-day and night bank is a very fine in-- stltutlon after all. There are times when at about 1 ... And in support The Elyria Chronicle (Newspaper) - May 11, 1904, Elyria, Ohio Subscription - Elyria Chronicle - NewspaperArchive - May 11, 1904 H. Sngersol 6B, Oept3, 5t MAIDEN UNE, NEV YORK CUBES RHEUMATISM CITY NEVEE SLEEPS. STOPPING OF A LANDSLIDE or CHICAGO is PRODUCTIVE OF Enjoyment Interfering ... The Olean Democrat (Newspaper) - November 14, 1889, Olean, New York Subscription - Olean Democrat - NewspaperArchive - Nov 14, 1889 New York never sleeps, never pauses for a moment's nap, never relaxes her hard-worked, gi- gantic limbs from sunrise until sun- rise. ... But other cities may have held the title: Perry Pilot (Newspaper) - June 18, 1884, Perry, Iowa Subscription - Perry Pilot - NewspaperArchive - Jun 18, 1884 The hour of 8 pm ia a fitting one to Arrive at Fort Wprth, for this is the Texas city which never sleeps. The census of 1880 gave it the population a ... Oakland Tribune (Newspaper) - November 30, 1913, Oakland, California Subscription - Oakland Tribune - NewspaperArchive - Nov 30, 1913 Wsen tc- this you add the fact that Piris Is a city that never sleeps and the noises In tbe streets end on the river abate very little during: the you will ... Washington Post, The (Newspaper) - March 1, 1906, Washington ... Subscription - Washington Post - NewspaperArchive - Mar 1, 1906 That Paris never sleeps is made apparent in this picture by the fitful glare of lights along the streets bordering the dark, sluggish Seine. ... The Daily Review (Newspaper) - May 22, 1892, Decatur, Illinois Subscription - Daily Review, The - NewspaperArchive - May 22, 1892 In this busy age the world never sleeps. The num- er of honest folks who earn their dally bread during the hours between sunset >nd sunrise la so large as ... The Atlanta Constitution (Newspaper) - April 15, 1894, Atlanta ... Subscription - Atlanta Constitution - NewspaperArchive - Apr 15, 1894 A great city never sleeps, but it aoes not escape the magical, romantic in- fluonoe o: wiyht. As a matter of lact, this influence seems to mieuaify it- aeli ... The Washington Post (Newspaper) - January 8, 1911, Washington ... Subscription - Washington Post - NewspaperArchive - Jan 8, 1911 ... but away in the distance was the faint mum- ble of the town, the town that never sleeps. Between lamp-post and lamp-post I travelled methodically, ... -- --------------------------------------------- Richard Maurer To reply, remove half Sunnyvale, California of a homonym of a synonym for also. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (and what about Spain?, is all that late night action new?) > But other cities may have held the title: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > for this is the Texas city which never sleeps. > The census of 1880 gave it the population a ... That's very impressive researching -- congratulations! The 1884 cite for Ft. Worth is pushing back almost to the "nature never sleeps" for which OED gives 1860. The frequency of early cites for NY having the title, "the city that never sleeps" (a meme and a movie title) lays out a pretty good claim for such -- Paris has "the city of light" in any event. Aloha ~~~ Ozzie Maland ~~~ San Diego |
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