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AEF - 30 Dec 2006 00:33 GMT
In Merriam Webster dictionaries I see in the Handbook of Style section
a punctuation mark called the "double hyphen." It is supposed to be
used when breaking a hyphenated word at the end of a line. I have never
seen this punctuation mark anywhere else. Are they for real? What's up
with this?

(The Merriam Webster Collegiate Dictionary [9th edition] actually uses
this in the Explanatory Notes section for splitting the word
"cross-reference" across two lines at the point of the initial hyphen.)

Thanks.

AEF
Marius Hancu - 30 Dec 2006 01:18 GMT
> In Merriam Webster dictionaries I see in the Handbook of Style section
> a punctuation mark called the "double hyphen." It is supposed to be
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> this in the Explanatory Notes section for splitting the word
> "cross-reference" across two lines at the point of the initial hyphen.)

Hm, they speak about two **parallel** hyphens here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_hyphen

Marius Hancu
Martin Ambuhl - 30 Dec 2006 06:05 GMT
> In Merriam Webster dictionaries I see in the Handbook of Style section
> a punctuation mark called the "double hyphen." It is supposed to be
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> this in the Explanatory Notes section for splitting the word
> "cross-reference" across two lines at the point of the initial hyphen.)

As far as I can tell, the MWCD11 has no such entry in the "A Handbook of
Style" section.  The only division-of-words-at-end-of-line mention is of
a simple hyphen: 'hyphen', 10. p. 1607. Nor do I find it in the
"Explanatory Notes", but even if it *is* there, it hardly matters for
English usage: that section is to explain the *non-standard* uses to
which the dictionary puts various marks.
John J. Chew III - 03 Jan 2007 23:04 GMT
>In Merriam Webster dictionaries I see in the Handbook of Style section
>a punctuation mark called the "double hyphen." It is supposed to be
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>this in the Explanatory Notes section for splitting the word
>"cross-reference" across two lines at the point of the initial hyphen.)

MWCD10 and MWCD11 also use the double hyphen symbol when it is
typographically necessary to split a word at an existing hyphen.
They have to do so because people use the dictionary as a
hyphenation authority; the symbol is not used in ordinary contexts.

I became more familiar with MWCD10 than I might have liked, when I
edited an official North American list of words acceptable in Scrabble.
I found the double hyphenation convention very helpful at the time, as
without it I could not have determined whether the required presence of
a hyphen in a compound word rendered the word unacceptable for use in
Scrabble.

John
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AEF - 04 Jan 2007 01:04 GMT
> >In Merriam Webster dictionaries I see in the Handbook of Style section
> >a punctuation mark called the "double hyphen." It is supposed to be
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> They have to do so because people use the dictionary as a
> hyphenation authority; the symbol is not used in ordinary contexts.

Well, it would be nice if MWCD would tell us that! It's listed as just
another puncutation mark.

> I became more familiar with MWCD10 than I might have liked, when I
> edited an official North American list of words acceptable in Scrabble.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> --
> John Chew (poslfit on MD) * jjchew@math.utoronto.ca * http://www.poslfit.com

AEF
John J. Chew III - 04 Jan 2007 05:21 GMT
>> In article <1167438803.056847.17260@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>,
>> MWCD10 and MWCD11 also use the double hyphen symbol when it is
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>Well, it would be nice if MWCD would tell us that! It's listed as just
>another puncutation mark.

They do describe its function (but not explain its necessity) in the
End-of-Line Division subsection of the Entires section of the
Explanatory Notes, on page 11a of the copy of MWCD11 in my lap:

 A double hyphen at the end of a line in this dictionary
 dstands for a hyphen that belongs at that point in a hyphen-
 ated word and that is retained when the word is written as
 a unit on one line.

You *did* read the Explanatory Notes before attempting to operate
the dictionary, didn't you?  :)

John
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AEF - 05 Jan 2007 02:13 GMT
> >> In article <1167438803.056847.17260@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>,
> >> MWCD10 and MWCD11 also use the double hyphen symbol when it is
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> --
> John Chew (poslfit on MD) * jjchew@math.utoronto.ca * http://www.poslfit.com

I just did a quick reading of that section and I don't see it in mine.

AEF
Skitt - 05 Jan 2007 02:24 GMT
>>>> MWCD10 and MWCD11 also use the double hyphen symbol when it is
>>>> typographically necessary to split a word at an existing hyphen.
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
> I just did a quick reading of that section and I don't see it in mine.

Here's what the online M-W has as an entry:

Main Entry: double hyphen
Function: noun
: a punctuation mark = used in place of a hyphen at the end of a line to
indicate that the word so divided is normally hyphenated

That is not saying that it is a practice limited to MWCD.
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John J. Chew III - 05 Jan 2007 05:39 GMT
>> >> In article <1167438803.056847.17260@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>,
>> >> MWCD10 and MWCD11 also use the double hyphen symbol when it is
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>> the dictionary, didn't you?  :)
>I just did a quick reading of that section and I don't see it in mine.

What does it say at the end of the End-of-Line Division subsection in
your copy?

John
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