Hi
I am working on an essay about the symbolism of a passage in John
Knowles' A Seperate Peace. I have my intro paragraph and my 1st
paragraph. I am working on the idea that the loss of snow is symbolic
of the reveling of the war to the Devon boys.
Here is the pasage:
And these Saturdays are worst in the late winter whern the snow has
lost it's noveity and its shine, and the school seems to have been
reduced to only a network of drains. During the brief thaw in the early
afternoon there is a dismal gurgling of dirty water seeping down pipes
and along gutter, a gray seamy shifting beneath the crust of snow,
which cracks to show patches of frozen mud beneath. Shrubbery loses its
bright snow headgear and stands bare and frail, too undernourished to
hide the drains it was intended to hide.
In John Knowles' novel, A Separate Peace, The fading of winter's
beauty into the muddy depressing days of spring represent a loss of
innocence due to the impending war and hostilities among the boys.
Winter brings a new peace to Devon, with snow blanketing the campus,
making everything pure. As temperatures rise and the war begins, the
snow looses its beauty and melts to revel the unpleasant truths it has
been covering. The loss of innocence at Devon is symbolized by the
when the snow melts to revel the frail shrubbery, the muddy meltwater,
and Devon's network of drains.
The shrubbery that the melting snow has uncovered is symbolic of both
the War and Leper. Even through the shrubbery had been safely covered
with the innocence of white snow, it's protection melted away to
revel the truth. The "lost novelty" of the once shiny and fresh
snow symbolizes the brutal war in Europe. The Devon boys initially
embrace war as a new novelty. As they read more and more about bombings
and boys their age going over, the darkness of war, like the frailty of
the bushes is revealed. Knowles furthers uses the bushes to connect
Leper's condition with the change at Devon. At the same time, the
poor diminished condition Leper is reveled to the boys. The snow
covered the bushes frailty like the Devon boy's stories about Leper
at war cover his frailty. Like the once green and vibrant bushes, Leper
has faded to a weak and depressed person. The shrubbery's changes
were hidden by snow, and once it melted, the harsh realities of war
were reveled.
Sara Lorimer - 02 Jan 2007 20:19 GMT
> Hi
>
> I am working on an essay about the symbolism of a passage in John
> Knowles' A Seperate Peace. I have my intro paragraph and my 1st
> paragraph. I am working on the idea that the loss of snow is symbolic
> of the reveling of the war to the Devon boys.
Do you have a question?

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acprkit - 02 Jan 2007 20:34 GMT
Hi
I forgot about that part!
Here's my question:
Do I make sence and make a good point
Are my sentences well organised
How can I further develop it?
nancy13g@verizon.net - 02 Jan 2007 21:51 GMT
> Hi
>
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>
> How can I further develop it?
I'd suggest a thorough review of both grammar and spelling, as there
are several of each type of error in what you've written.
acprkit - 02 Jan 2007 22:08 GMT
yes, please
Eric Schwartz - 02 Jan 2007 22:14 GMT
> yes, please
Please quote a bit of context in your postings. Not everybody uses
Google, and not everybody has access to all the previous postings in
this thread. Don't quote the whole thing, just enough that someone
can tell by your message what you're replying to. As it is, all I saw
was a single post saying "yes, please" without any idea as to what you
were saying "yes" to.
-=Eric
Martin Ambuhl - 02 Jan 2007 22:27 GMT
> Do I make sence and make a good point
^^^^^
sense
acprkit - 02 Jan 2007 22:50 GMT
Hi
Im sorry about my spelling, I has never been a strength for me, and I
will correct it later. Thanks for all the input thus far.
Martin Ambuhl - 02 Jan 2007 22:26 GMT
> Hi
>
> I am working on an essay about the symbolism of a passage in John
> Knowles' A Seperate Peace.
You had better learn to spell 'separate' first. I note that you do
correctly spell it in your quoted text. That you got it wrong here
suggests that you might want to check the rest of your text in case this
slip occurs in it.
I have my intro paragraph and my 1st
> paragraph. I am working on the idea that the loss of snow is symbolic
> of the reveling of the war to the Devon boys.
The loss of snow is not symbolic of reveling (I hope you are not
English, for their word has another 'l' in it). Your text has the
misspelling of 'revel' for 'reveal,' so I suppose you have repeated that
error here rather than meaning the completely inappropriate 'reveling.'
The use of seasonal metaphor is long established in European literature.
You might want to tie in some of this earlier use of this topos. An
example of studies of this is Rosamond Tuve's _Seasons and Months_
(Paris, Librairie Universitaire, 1933). The novel is a psychological
study of Forrester reacting to his envy of Finney, his sabotaging of
Finney's athletic career, and the fallout from that. It is not about
the war, so you might want to consider whether you want to emphasize the
war and even whether the metaphor is _really_ about the war. Loss of
innocence has more forms than exposure to war.
> Here is the pasage:
^^^^^^
Spelling errors are a serious problem.
TakenEvent - 02 Jan 2007 22:48 GMT
> Hi
>
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> were hidden by snow, and once it melted, the harsh realities of war
> were reveled.
S-E-P-A-R-A-T-E
R-E-V-E-A-L
I remember hating that book. It was probably the professor's fault. Nobody
should take such an insipid book so seriously. I recall the book being a
by-the-numbers type book, with a decent premise that somehow, while
seemingly fleshed out professionally, begat an excruciating bore of a plot.
The premise, I would say, would be that acting out of jealousy can lead to
guilt; in this case it's because a jealous mind is often not blessed with
foresight, and thus is not the most reliable source of good ideas, and leads
most often to impetuous acts. The plot, what I remember of it anyway, was
about a boy who is jealous of his friend, and takes advantage of an
opportunity to injure said friend without the friend realizing it was
intentional, only to spend the rest of the book feeling guilty.
This book suffers heavily from ignorance of the obvious. By that I mean
that the resolution is so obvious, it makes the main character a bit less
worth knowing for not doing it sooner, and knocks the author's credibility a
bit for not introducing it sooner. The story drags on and on because the
protagonist refuses to offer an admission, apology, and some begging for
forgiveness. I spent the entire book hoping the guy would either kill
himself or just get on with an apology. The protagonist is not a
sympathetic character. I had no patience for him.
As for symbolism, I think it has its place. Symbolism should add
cohesiveness to a story, and if done well shouldn't stand out as symbolism.
The last thing a story should do is have symbolic elements so obvious that
they take the reader right out of the story. The reader may then feel
clever for figuring out the symbolism, but that has little to do with
enjoying the story.
As loss of innocence is central to the story on a couple of different
levels, stick with that idea. Keep in mind that the two boys are at center
stage, while the school, the war, and the weather fall in behind. If that's
clear in your essay, you should be fine. Also, have somebody proofread your
essay before you hand it in--without fail.
acprkit - 02 Jan 2007 22:54 GMT
Thanks, it will be proofread!
I would like to focus on innocence. I do not want to stretch the
symbolism way too much or cloud the real meaning of the dreary winter.
Can I relate the loss of innocence to the impending war?
Eric Schwartz - 02 Jan 2007 23:03 GMT
> Thanks, it will be proofread!
You should learn to proofread your own work, as that is essential to
getting anyone else to pay attention to it in the first place. For
instance, I just realized I misspelled "essential" as "essnetial"
above, and would expect to be roundly mocked, or at least teased, if I
had not fixed it.
> I would like to focus on innocence. I do not want to stretch the
> symbolism way too much or cloud the real meaning of the dreary winter.
> Can I relate the loss of innocence to the impending war?
Why don't you give it a try and see how well it works?
-=Eric
TakenEvent - 03 Jan 2007 14:36 GMT
> Thanks, it will be proofread!
>
> I would like to focus on innocence. I do not want to stretch the
> symbolism way too much or cloud the real meaning of the dreary winter.
> Can I relate the loss of innocence to the impending war?
Relate symbols to the central theme, not the other way around. The real
meaning of the winter is that the Earth is tilted on its axis at such an
angle that the, well, nevermind. The type of symbolism you're dealing with
regarding the winter is based on metaphor as much as timely coincidence. As
the book is set in a real historical timeline, it does have to conform to
such things as the time of year that schools begin their terms/semesters and
the months in which winter usually shows up. The symbolism is supposed to
reinforce the effect of the premise or any of the lesser themes in the book.
Don't make your paper sound like the book is about its symbolism. Relate
the symbols to the central theme.