On one hand, this passage below implies that testosterone is bad for
you ("detrimental health effects"). Also, it interferes with the
immune system. However, men with high levels of testosterone are
"strong and healthy."
Isn't this a contradiction or an error?
This article comes from: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16444786/
""Testosterone is necessary for development, but can also have
detrimental health effects. It has been shown, for example, to
interfere with the body's immune response, so men who are able to
maintain high levels of the hormone are typically strong and healthy
- traits women would want to pass on to their progeny.""
Leslie Danks - 03 Jan 2007 16:08 GMT
> On one hand, this passage below implies that testosterone is bad for
> you ("detrimental health effects"). Also, it interferes with the
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> maintain high levels of the hormone are typically strong and healthy
> - traits women would want to pass on to their progeny.""
It means (to me) that men who can tolerate a high testosterone level (with
benefits for development) must also be endowed with an excellent immune
system which still functions well despite interference by the testosterone.
On balance, therefore, they are indeed "strong and healthy".

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Mark Brader - 04 Jan 2007 11:16 GMT
Les Danks writes:
> It means (to me) that men who can tolerate a high testosterone level (with
> benefits for development) must also be endowed with an excellent immune
> system which still functions well despite interference by the testosterone.
> On balance, therefore, they are indeed "strong and healthy".
Agreed. But I had to think about it too; the writer has, as they would
have said when I was in school, skipped a step.

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irwell - 03 Jan 2007 16:18 GMT
>On one hand, this passage below implies that testosterone is bad for
>you ("detrimental health effects"). Also, it interferes with the
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>maintain high levels of the hormone are typically strong and healthy
>- traits women would want to pass on to their progeny.""
It can be said also for water.
Good for you yet can also be detrimental.
Mark Brader - 04 Jan 2007 11:13 GMT
> It can be said also for water.
> Good for you yet can also be detrimental.
DHMO.

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Don Phillipson - 03 Jan 2007 17:23 GMT
> This article comes from: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16444786/
>
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> maintain high levels of the hormone are typically strong and healthy
> - traits women would want to pass on to their progeny.""
1. The first sentence is banal and almost meaningless.
You could say the same about salt or water.
2. The theme of the source article is sexual selection
(what women want, and the supposed reason.) The
second sentence here mentions (1) a hormone, (2) the
immune response and (3) heredity: but nowhere in the
article is any of these three physically measurable
features linked specifically to what women want or
the supposed reason.
So the language of the paragraph breaks no rules
and offers no difficulty: the whole article says
rather less than its author pretends: but the author
does not pretend to much, cf. "mating strategies
. . . might have to do with their genes, but could
also have something to do with ours."

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