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Could you please suggest me a word that best fits the following text? "We are familiar with the saying "a picture paints a thousand words" and in the global village the world has become, information in pictorial form is .......... we turn." Thank you. >Could you please suggest me a word that best fits the following text? > >"We are familiar with the saying "a picture paints a thousand words" >and in the global village the world has become, information in >pictorial >form is .......... we turn." Peat.  SignatureArchie Valparaiso > "We are familiar with the saying "a picture paints a thousand words" > and in the global village the world has become . . . " The examiner has been misinformed. The English proverb runs: "A picture is worth a thousand words." SignatureDon Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada) d.phillipsonSPAMBLOCK@ncf.ca had it: > > "We are familiar with the saying "a picture paints a thousand words" > > and in the global village the world has become . . . " > > The examiner has been misinformed. The English > proverb runs: "A picture is worth a thousand words." Then why can't I paint you? SignatureDavid ===== > >> "We are familiar with the saying "a picture paints a thousand words" > >> and in the global village the world has become . . . " [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Then why can't I paint you? The words will never show. >> >> "We are familiar with the saying "a picture paints a thousand words" >> >> and in the global village the world has become . . . " [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >The words will never show. Where this thread is going to go... If a man could be two places at one time, he'd be... The Omrud, with one of his Tardises. SignatureRobin Herts, England >> >> "We are familiar with the saying "a picture paints a thousand words" >> >> and in the global village the world has become . . . " [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > The words will never show. The you I've come to know. the Omrud filted: >d.phillipsonSPAMBLOCK@ncf.ca had it: >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Then why can't I paint you? Because I haven't the Bread.... Am I right in thinking that the Chinese form of this expression equates one picture with *ten* thousand words ("ten thousand" being idiomatic in Chinese for "a number too large to imagine easily)?...or is that just in the one about a journey of <bignum> miles beginning with a single step?... (ObRandomAssociation: Bread, Cream, Raspberries, Vanilla Fudge; the four food groups)....r Signature"Keep your eye on the Bishop. I want to know when he makes his move", said the Inspector, obliquely. > >> The examiner has been misinformed. The English > >> proverb runs: "A picture is worth a thousand words." > Am I right in thinking that the Chinese form of this expression equates one > picture with *ten* thousand words ("ten thousand" being idiomatic in Chinese for > "a number too large to imagine easily)?...or is that just in the one about a > journey of <bignum> miles beginning with a single step?... I do not see how they might be thought similar let alone equivalent. The English proverb is about modes of information (graphic and textual). The Chinese proverb combines a banal truth about contingency with a strong incentive to action rather than contemplation. SignatureDon Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada) The Don Phillipson entity posted thusly: >> >> The examiner has been misinformed. The English >> >> proverb runs: "A picture is worth a thousand words." [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >contingency with a strong incentive to action >rather than contemplation. He did not claim the proverbs to be similar or equivalent. He wondered if the Chinese form of the "words per picture" might contain the Chinese word for 10,000, or if the Chinese word for 10,000 was used only in the Chinese form of the "long journey, single step" proverb. > the Omrud filted: > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Because I haven't the Bread.... Sounds iffy. Brian SignatureIf televison's a babysitter, the Internet is a drunk librarian who won't shut up. -- Dorothy Gambrell (http://catandgirl.com) > Am I right in thinking that the Chinese form of this expression equates > one picture with *ten* thousand words ("ten thousand" being idiomatic in > Chinese for "a number too large to imagine easily)? Ben Zimmer looked into the history of this in a post of 30 April 2004. The oldest citation he found was: "A look is worth a thousand words," say the Japanese. New York Times, May 16, 1914, ad for Shore Acres (Long Island real estate development) The early citations say either a Japanese or Chinese proverb, and use one thousand or ten thousand. I don't remember that anyone was able to find an actual Japanese or Chinese proverb. SignatureBest -- Donna Richoux >> Am I right in thinking that the Chinese form of this expression equates >> one picture with *ten* thousand words ("ten thousand" being idiomatic in [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > one thousand or ten thousand. I don't remember that anyone was able to > find an actual Japanese or Chinese proverb. I'm Chinese and I can't think of any.... I also went to a Chinese dictionary website and tried different combinations (one thousand, ten thousand, and picture). Still, I couldn't find any... Ben Zimmer looked into the history of this in a post of 30 April 2004. The oldest citation he found was: "A look is worth a thousand words," say the Japanese. New York Times, May 16, 1914, ad for Shore Acres (Long Island real estate development) The same sentiment appears in this 1895 book (1895 appears on the title page; Google Books full view): Mr. Jervis - by Bithia Mary Croker I understand matters DOW; I have seen with my own eyes, and one look is worth a ton of letters. -- --------------------------------------------- Richard Maurer To reply, remove half Sunnyvale, California of a homonym of a synonym for also. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- This American Dialect society article http://listserv.linguistlist.org/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0001d&L=ads-l&P=13030 leads me to believe that the phrase "A look is worth ten thousand words" was possibly seen in an 1847 book. The article also has interesting results for several old proverbs. -- --------------------------------------------- Richard Maurer To reply, remove half Sunnyvale, California of a homonym of a synonym for also. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "Donna Richoux" wrote in message... > > Am I right in thinking that the Chinese form of this expression equates > > one picture with *ten* thousand words ("ten thousand" being idiomatic in [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > one thousand or ten thousand. I don't remember that anyone was able to > find an actual Japanese or Chinese proverb. There's a Japanese proverb "Hyakubun wa ikken ni shikazu", which literally means "One look is better than a hundred hearings". The number is not exactly the same ("a hundred", not "a thousand"), but I think that this is the one New York Times refers to. _Kojien_ (Japanese dictionary) explains that this proverb is taken from the sentence in _Book of Han_, which was written in China in the first century. It seems Ronald Reagan has mentioned this proverb in his speech in China: http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1079/is_v84/ai_3286365 Ronald Reagan; Beijing: address before community leaders Great Hall of the People April 27, 1984 - Ronald Reagan - transcript US Department of State Bulletin, June, 1984 I'm honored to come before you today, the first American President ever to address your nation from the Great Hall of the People. My wife Nancy and I have looked forward to visiting the people and treasures of your great and historic land, one of the world's oldest civilizations. We have marveled at Beijing's sweeping vistas, and we have felt the warmth of your hospitality touch our hearts. We only regret that our visit will be so brief. I'm afraid it will be as a Tang Dynasty poet once wrote: "looking at the flowers while riding horseback." But you have another saying from the book of Han which describes how Nancy and I feel: "To see a thing once is better than hearing about it a hundred times." SignatureNobuko Iwasaki > "A look is worth a thousand words," say the Japanese. > New York Times, May 16, 1914, ad for Shore Acres > (Long Island real estate development) I await the inevitable book "A Thousand Words You Must Use Before You Die". Mike M mikmooney@googlemail.com had it: > > "A look is worth a thousand words," say the Japanese. > > New York Times, May 16, 1914, ad for Shore Acres > > (Long Island real estate development) > > I await the inevitable book "A Thousand Words You Must Use Before You > Die". I'm working on "A Thousand Words You Must Die Before You Use". SignatureDavid ===== Mike M filted: >> "A look is worth a thousand words," say the Japanese. >> New York Times, May 16, 1914, ad for Shore Acres >> (Long Island real estate development) > >I await the inevitable book "A Thousand Words You Must Use Before You >Die". If "plinth" ain't in it, I got no use for it....r Signature"Keep your eye on the Bishop. I want to know when he makes his move", said the Inspector, obliquely. > Mike M filted: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > If "plinth" ain't in it, I got no use for it....r "Some day my..." SignatureLaura (emulate St. George for email) > Mike M filted: > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > If "plinth" ain't in it, I got no use for it....r Or, if you're a fan of The Jeff Beck Group, "Plynth". My word of the day: spatula. Mike M > > Mike M filted: > > > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > My word of the day: spatula. Loved her recording of "Downtown." SignatureBob Lieblich Unusually pixilated today >If "plinth" ain't in it, I got no use for it....r How about a podium? SignatureSteve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/stevesig.htm E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk >> If "plinth" ain't in it, I got no use for it....r > > How about a podium? For a minute there I thought you was talking about them child-abusing pedestals. SignaturePeter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org Please note the changed e-mail and web addresses. The domain eepjm.newcastle.edu.au no longer exists, and I can no longer receive mail at my newcastle.edu.au addresses. The optusnet address could disappear at any time. > >> If "plinth" ain't in it, I got no use for it....r > > > > How about a podium? > > For a minute there I thought you was talking about them child-abusing > pedestals. I once knew a young fellow who engaged in pedagogy. Everyone shunned him, of course. SignatureBob Lieblich Niggardly > d.phillipsonSPAMBLOCK@ncf.ca had it: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Then why can't I paint you? Oh, *cruel* STS! SignatureLaura (emulate St. George for email) laura@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk had it: > > d.phillipsonSPAMBLOCK@ncf.ca had it: > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Oh, *cruel* STS! Yes; perhaps the unkindest STS of all. Grovelling apologies - as usual, I thought about you just after I'd clicked Send. Too impressed with my own cleverness to think of others, you see. OTOH, one has to wonder: Kojak? Or Captain James Tiberius Kirk? SignatureDavid ===== >laura@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk had it: >> > d.phillipsonSPAMBLOCK@ncf.ca had it: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >OTOH, one has to wonder: Kojak? Or Captain James Tiberius Kirk? Or both: "Who loves ya, Scottie?" SignatureArchie Valparaiso gguiri@yahoo.com had it: > >laura@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk had it: > >> > d.phillipsonSPAMBLOCK@ncf.ca had it: [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Or both: "Who loves ya, Scottie?" You remind me of Kojak questioning Ironside: - Who shoves ya, baby? I saw that Raymond Burr on the stage in Manchester in the 80s, in a play about a subway train IIRC. Big bloke. SignatureDavid ===== > I saw that Raymond Burr on the stage in Manchester in the 80s, in a > play about a subway train IIRC. Big bloke. Okay, I'll bite: how was he as the train? -=Eric emschwar@pobox.com had it: > > I saw that Raymond Burr on the stage in Manchester in the 80s, in a > > play about a subway train IIRC. Big bloke. > > Okay, I'll bite: how was he as the train? Oh, an excellent actor with the bulk to impress. SignatureDavid ===== Nope. Gravity under Vista got worse. Back to XP. >emschwar@pobox.com had it: >> > I saw that Raymond Burr on the stage in Manchester in the 80s, in a [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Oh, an excellent actor with the bulk to impress. Wasn't he a bit of an old buffer by the '80s, though? SignatureArchie Valparaiso > >emschwar@pobox.com had it: > >> > I saw that Raymond Burr on the stage in Manchester in the 80s, in a [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Wasn't he a bit of an old buffer by the '80s, though? Practically an old boiler. SignatureMike. >> >emschwar@pobox.com had it: >> >> > I saw that Raymond Burr on the stage in Manchester in the 80s, in a [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> >Practically an old boiler. I also heard he had a serious coke problem. SignatureArchie Valparaiso The Archie Valparaiso entity posted thusly: >>emschwar@pobox.com had it: >>> > I saw that Raymond Burr on the stage in Manchester in the 80s, in a [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Wasn't he a bit of an old buffer by the '80s, though? In 1980 he would have been in his mid-sixties, I think. My mother knew him from school, though he was a little older than she was. >> "We are familiar with the saying "a picture paints a thousand words" >> and in the global village the world has become . . . " > > The examiner has been misinformed. The English > proverb runs: "A picture is worth a thousand words." _Bartlett's_ has an interesting history on this one: "One look is worth a thousand words." Fred R. Barnard, in _Printers' Ink_, 8 Dec., 1921, p. 96. He changed it to "One picture is worth a thousand words" in _Printers' Ink_, 10 March, 1927, p. 114, and called it "a Chinese proverb, so that people would take it seriously."--Burton Steveson, ed., _The Home Book of Proverbs, Maxims, and Familiar Phrases. So a rather young proverb. SignatureEvan Kirshenbaum +------------------------------------ HP Laboratories |Other computer companies have spent 1501 Page Mill Road, 1U, MS 1141 |15 years working on fault-tolerant Palo Alto, CA 94304 |computers. Microsoft has spent |its time more fruitfully, working kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com |on fault-tolerant *users*. (650)857-7572 http://www.kirshenbaum.net/ >>> "We are familiar with the saying "a picture paints a thousand words" >>> and in the global village the world has become . . . " [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > So a rather young proverb. He lived in interesting times. SignatureRoland Hutchinson Will play viola da gamba for food. NB mail to my.spamtrap [at] verizon.net is heavily filtered to remove spam. If your message looks like spam I may not see it. > >> "We are familiar with the saying "a picture paints a thousand words" > >> and in the global village the world has become . . . " [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > So a rather young proverb. Except Mr. Burton Steveson didn't get it right. Previous discussions here also discussed whether Barnard originated it. If he did, it wasn't in 1921 but in 1914, if not before. SignatureBest - Donna Richoux -- > Except Mr. Burton Steveson didn't get it right. Previous discussions > here also discussed whether Barnard originated it. If he did, it wasn't > in 1921 but in 1914, if not before. I must have missed those earlier discussions. Looking at Google Books, I'm struck by the fact that other things were worth a thousand words before that: an open deed (1832), a blow (1853), a deed (1858), one humane and generous truth (1875), one fact (1879), one look (1903), one act (1908). SignatureEvan Kirshenbaum +------------------------------------ HP Laboratories |"It makes you wonder if there is 1501 Page Mill Road, 1U, MS 1141 |anything to astrology after all." Palo Alto, CA 94304 | |"Oh, there is," said Susan. kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com |"Delusion, wishful thinking and (650)857-7572 |gullibility." http://www.kirshenbaum.net/ > Could you please suggest me a word that best fits the following text? > > "We are familiar with the saying "a picture paints a thousand words" > and in the global village the world has become, information in > pictorial form is .......... we turn." ... everywhere ... -- > Could you please suggest me a word that best fits the following text? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Thank you. Where, possibly. The problem isn't so much the blank, but the rest of the sentence. |
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