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Discussion Groups / English Usage / January 2007Mucky pup
The Times had an article yeaterday saying the OED is looking for earlier citations than they already have, for a numberof common expressions. Article at http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2528660.html They cite "mucky pup" only to 1984. I am sure that my mother, who died in 1962, called me a mucky pup at various - no doubt highly appropriate - moments, but of course that doesn't count as a proper citation. Any other mucky pups around? Katy > The Times had an article yeaterday saying the OED is looking for earlier > citations than they already have, for a numberof common expressions. Article [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Any other mucky pups around? Hell, yes. I was born in 1954, and my parents were *always* calling me a mucky pup. Mike M > > The Times had an article yeaterday saying the OED is looking for earlier > > citations than they already have, for a numberof common expressions. Article [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > > > Any other mucky pups around? [snip] This search result from Google-Books may explain why OED is inquiring about this matter: http://books.google.com/books?vid=ISBN0415088666&id=Hvxk4FiaATwC&pg=RA1-PA140&lp g=RA1-PA140&dq=%22mucky+pup%22&sig=6e3zbVHNCdHXW3GQHjR_-LZKuOs Shorter Slang Dictionary By Rosalind Fergusson, Eric Partridge Published 1993 Routledge (UK) p. 140 mucky pup an affectionate term of disapproval addressed to a dirty child (or occasionally adult) The same search had these other hits: The Eye of the Beholder - Page 229 by Philip Glazebrook - 1976 - 256 pages "That Miss Lea," he said in flat Liverpool, "she's a proper mucky pup with her fingers on my table." "It's her nerves Mr George," replied Amy's voice, ... [context ambiguous] Britain Revisited - Page 145 by Tom ( Harrisson, Leonard England - 1961 - 285 pages ... Whoopee Cushion" "Causes roars of laughter" Joke of the Year (Picture of man sitting on it with scarlet face) i/- "Mucky Pup" "Roars of laughter" 6</. ... [context ambiguous] The Big Book of Being Rude: 7000 Slang Insults - Page 125 by Jonathon (INT) Green - 2006 - 380 pages ... ] mucky pup [20C] (Aus. ... [We're supposed to believe the Ozzies were using this slang insult way back when?] A Festschrift for Edgar Ronald Seary: Essays in English Language and Literature - Page 221 by E. R. Seary - 1975 - 224 pages "There, you mucky pup," someone calls, "make do with that, and leave decent folk alone in future." He walks outside, dripping and half-blinded with soap, ... [the context seems to refer to a bath of dirty water - but the person could be an adult; certainly before 1984] Aloha ~~~ Ozzie Maland ~~~ San Diego > The Times had an article yeaterday saying the OED is looking for earlier > citations than they already have, for a numberof common expressions. Article [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Any other mucky pups around? Definitely. And I certainly used it to describe my own children in the 1970s.  SignatureLaura (emulate St. George for email) > The Times had an article yeaterday saying the OED is looking for earlier > citations than they already have, for a numberof common expressions. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Any other mucky pups around? I remember seeing joke plastic dog turds in the late 70s called "Mucky Pup". >The Times had an article yeaterday saying the OED is looking for earlier >citations than they already have, for a numberof common expressions. Article [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Katy Pre WW2 vintage, also called a Little Hitler once. > The Times had an article yeaterday saying the OED is looking for earlier > citations than they already have, for a numberof common expressions. Article [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Katy Byeckerslike: northern Cheshire, southern Lancashire. 1940s. Cheers, Sage >> The Times had an article yeaterday saying the OED is looking for earlier >> citations than they already have, for a numberof common expressions. Article [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Byeckerslike: northern Cheshire, southern Lancashire. 1940s. Tried this on my husband and a guest this evening. All of us remembered it from out childhoods in the late 40s-early 50s. Husband, from Lancashire, had assumed it was a northern expression until guest and I, both of us from the effete Sithe, pointed out that we'd been equally familiar with it. SignatureKaty Jennison spamtrap: remove the first two letters after the @ > >> The Times had an article yeaterday saying the OED is looking for earlier > >> citations than they already have, for a numberof common expressions. Article [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > and I, both of us from the effete Sithe, pointed out that we'd been > equally familiar with it. Yo, Jesse S! It appears in a fine little book called _The Ostrobogulous Pigs_ by Affleck Graves, though in the form "mucky poops". I have no copy accessible, and cannot even name the publisher, or do more than guess at the date (1940s? 1950s?). As "mucky" is spelt in the standard way, it's possible that "poops" does not represent the speaker's dialect, but is intended to mean "backsides". (Note that hounds have nautical-seeming "sterns".) In that case the quotation is merely an allusion to the expression rather than a use of it. Throughout the book, though, the author indulges in coinages and word-play, so it may be a "judgement call". The story is of some piglets so ostrobogulously grubby that nobody wants them on the farm, and they don't even find a buyer at the market until a nice young man rescues them. It's real AUE material. SignatureMike. >>>>The Times had an article yeaterday saying the OED is looking for earlier >>>>citations than they already have, for a numberof common expressions. Article [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > copy accessible, and cannot even name the publisher, or do more than > guess at the date (1940s? 1950s?). Amazon says Faber 1952. Thank you for that reminder. As a child I owned "Willa, You're Wanted" by the same author - who I always assumed to be male but appears to have been called Ida and was a poet. See http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_19991123/ai_n14263899 (but make sure your PC sound is switched off - the page has an advert for smileys that call out to you in a very alarming way if you're not expecting it) > As "mucky" is spelt in the standard way, it's possible that "poops" > does not represent the speaker's dialect, but is intended to mean [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > wants them on the farm, and they don't even find a buyer at the market > until a nice young man rescues them. It's real AUE material. Wot, no sheep? SignatureLaura (emulate St. George for email) [...] > > The story is of some piglets so ostrobogulously grubby that nobody > > wants them on the farm, and they don't even find a buyer at the market > > until a nice young man rescues them. It's real AUE material. > > Wot, no sheep? Time we broadened our horizons, I feel. And I like pigs: I must have told you about the time I had to get into the pond to rescue one. Now _he_ was ostrobogulous, if you like. SignatureMike. >The Times had an article yeaterday saying the OED is looking for earlier >citations than they already have, for a numberof common expressions. Article [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Any other mucky pups around? Me (Notts) and both of my wives (Derbys and Yorks). 1940s. But, like my father's wezzock, it's not documented. SignatureRobin Herts, England > The Times had an article yeaterday saying the OED is looking for earlier > citations than they already have, for a numberof common expressions. Article [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Any other mucky pups around? Hand up, though I heard it more from grandma than from mum. SignatureRob Bannister |
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