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'round shoulders' and criticism of rewritten piece

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jinhyun - 04 Jan 2007 12:52 GMT
Hi. What are 'round shoulders'? The context in which I saw this
expression - and I doubt that it will be required here - is that in one
of Agatha Christie's novels there is a rather arrogant young man who
accosts a girl with a marriage proposal,only to be told that the girl
has already asked another man to marry him. 'He has a stomach',the
arrogant man retorts;'And I've got round shoulders',she returns, and
adds something to the effect that such superficial considerations would
not deter her. From this, it would seem that round shoulders are
supposed to make a woman less comely - though of course,opinion will be
divided on that.Also, if there are any cultural connotations associated
with this feature of physical appearance, please include descriptions
of these in your answers.
  Also, I rewrote the piece on 'inure'. I'd like it criticized again.
Here is the rewritten version. Mind that what is to be criticized is
the writing and not what is written. In fact, ignore the content
altogether.

Hi. Recently in one of my posts I said that a certain word had 'inured'
in the language and was admonished for this offbeat use of the word -
quite justly, it seemed at the time; but later, I found that I was able
to knock together a quite fair defense of this use of the word. 'Inure'
of course is familiar enough as meaning 'to accustom or harden'  in its
transitive form and 'to accrue' in its intransitive form. It is not
these meanings however, but a third one that will concern us in the
following. The O.E.D gives this meaning as 'to come into effect or
practice';.but from such uses of the word as saying that a custom had
inured through usage,it would seem that 'to assume legal force' is more
like it. Might we not then say,of a word instead of a law or custom,
that it had 'inured',meaning of course,in this context, that it had
found favour with the authorities and become legitimate,'assumed legal
force',as it were? This, then, is what I propose: Inure shall mean(in
addition to its usual meanings) 'to become recognised and accredited by
the authorities'. The proposed meaning, it may be seen, is quite close
in sense to the original 'to assume legal force' which makes the
proposal, I hope, quite reasonable. Thus, I should like to say that
1)An engineering technique has inured
2)A word has inured in a language
where the intended meaning of these expressions can be guessed from the
preceding discussion.
If this won't do at all,I should like to be availed of alternative ways
of expressing each of the above, ideally by replacing 'inured' by a
single word that will do for each occasion, or failing that, by still
replacing 'inured' with a single word in each several case(but possibly
different words for different cases),or failing that, I shall be glad
to to availed of all the alternatives by recasting the sentence you can
think of.
Thanks. And a happy new year to all.

Thanks. And a happy new year to all.
mike.j.harvey@gmail.com - 04 Jan 2007 13:24 GMT
> Hi. What are 'round shoulders'? The context in which I saw this
> expression - and I doubt that it will be required here - is that in one
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> supposed to make a woman less comely - though of course,opinion will be
> divided on that.

Less comely to superficial people. Having the shoulders bent forward
and drooping and the upper back rounded. A fairly common posture
"defect". Body-Nazis and/or physical-fitness enthusiasts of both sexes
seek to avoid round shoulders.

> Also, if there are any cultural connotations associated
> with this feature of physical appearance, please include descriptions
> of these in your answers.

Is this a query or an examination question? ;-)
tinwhistler - 04 Jan 2007 17:46 GMT
[snip]
> Less comely to superficial people. Having the shoulders bent forward
> and drooping and the upper back rounded. A fairly common posture
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> > with this feature of physical appearance, please include descriptions
> > of these in your answers. [snip]

Excerpt from OED2's entry for "round, a.:"

d. Of the shoulders: Having a forward bend from the line of the back.

  1709 Tatler No. 75 35 The Butler..was noted for round Shoulders, and
a Roman Nose.  1784 Cowper Task iv. 634 His awkward gait,..round
shoulders, and dejected looks.  a1890 T. C. Crawford Eng. Life 87
(Cent.), He is of medium height, with sloping, round shoulders.

For some reason I've often associated "round shoulders" with gymnasts,
but I think that is my own peculiarity rather than a cultural
connotation.  (With the required release of US classified info at
year-end, we learn that Chief Justice Rehnquist had hallucinations, so
apparently I wasn't the only odd duck.)

Aloha ~~~ Ozzie Maland ~~~ San Diego
Don Phillipson - 04 Jan 2007 13:42 GMT
> Hi. What are 'round shoulders'?

This is a critique of posture, viz. failing to stand as tall
as possible.  When author Agatha Christie was alive,
most Englishmen had served in the military, where drill
instructors prescribe an erect, manly posture, and most
women professed to admire that -- and deplore people
who were round shouldered.

> Might we not then say,of a word instead of a law or custom,
> that it had 'inured',meaning of course,in this context, that it had
> found favour with the authorities and become legitimate,'assumed legal
> force',as it were?

This is an OK proposition about meaning (i.e. is approved
by current linguistic methods) when phrased as an empirical
question, i.e. asking whether this meaning of a word is known
to and used by the community English speakers.   It is not
similarly OK when offered as a negotiation about future
rules of language or a solicitation to agree.

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TakenEvent - 04 Jan 2007 14:16 GMT
> Hi. What are 'round shoulders'? The context in which I saw this
> expression - and I doubt that it will be required here - is that in one
> of Agatha Christie's novels there is a rather arrogant young man who
> accosts a girl with a marriage proposal,only to be told that the girl
> has already asked another man to marry him.

A very unusual situation...

"Well, I would marry you," she said, "but I've already asked John to marry
you in my stead, and he's agreed."

> 'He has a stomach',the
> arrogant man retorts;'And I've got round shoulders',she returns, and
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> with this feature of physical appearance, please include descriptions
> of these in your answers.

[...]

Often the expression "round shoulders" or "rounded shoulders" refers to a
person with poor posture.  The posture, when mentioned, is usually meant to
indicate either sickliness or low self-esteem.  Too, there can be cultural
connotations attached (e.g. being poor or otherwise underprivileged).
Context should give clues.
jinhyun - 04 Jan 2007 14:48 GMT
> > has already asked another man to marry him.
>
> A very unusual situation...
>
>>Sorry. The last 'him' should have been 'her'.
the Omrud - 04 Jan 2007 15:21 GMT
lightbulbsnickety@charter.net had it:

> > Hi. What are 'round shoulders'? The context in which I saw this
> > expression - and I doubt that it will be required here - is that in one
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> "Well, I would marry you," she said, "but I've already asked John to marry
> you in my stead, and he's agreed."

Nah.  He (the other man) is the Vicar, innit.

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