Home | Contact Us | FAQ | Search & Site Map | Link to Us
Sign In | Join | Other 45 Sites in Network
Home
Discussion GroupsEnglish UsageBritish EnglishESL Teaching
Learnglish.com
Contact UsLink To UsSearch & Site Map

Discussion Groups / English Usage / January 2007



Tip: Looking for answers? Try searching our database.

Neuralgic

Thread view: 
Enable EMail Alerts  Start New Thread
Thread rating: 
LFS - 05 Jan 2007 14:09 GMT
I have recently received details of a paper entitled: 'The German
Corporate Governance Code: general acceptance and neuralgic norms - a
second look'

Having never before encountered the word "neuralgic" used in anything
other than a medical context, I turned to the OED where I found:

------------------------------------------------------------------------
2. In extended use: painful, distressing; (esp. in Polit.) particularly
sensitive or crucial; capable of causing a sudden, extreme, or
far-reaching reaction; (also) characterized by such a reaction.

1977 S. J. PERELMAN Let. 16 Oct. in Don't tread on Me (1987) 335 I'm now
being put through the usual neuralgic gymnastics, the TV stuff,
interviews, and crapola that attend the birth of a book. 1977 Time 5
Dec. 11/2 Much has been made of Israel's neuralgic reaction to the joint
U.S.-Soviet declaration in the Middle East that Vance and Andrei Gromyko
hammered out in late September. 1988 Christian Sci. Monitor 3 Feb. 17
The Herb Doctor pulls out an affidavit substantiating his claim that his
medicine cured a Louisiana widow ‘of neuralgic sorrow for the loss of
her husband and child, swept off in one night by the last epidemic’.
1992 F. FUKUYAMA End of Hist. & Last Man 176 Abortion, for example, has
been one of the most neuralgic issues on the American social agenda for
the past generation. 1999 N.Y. Times 11 Feb. A8/3 Instead of the United
Nations being asked to ‘authorize’ the deployment, the Security Council
will be asked to ‘endorse’ it, a British diplomat said... For the
Americans the ‘neuralgic word “authorize”’ was avoided, the diplomat said.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

I am puzzled as to how a norm can be described in any of the ways
indicated.

The citations suggest that this usage is more frequent in Leftpondia but
since the authors of the paper appear to be German I wondered if it was
a translation of a word more commonly used there. Does anyone have any
ideas on this?

Signature

Laura
(emulate St. George for email)

Peter Duncanson - 05 Jan 2007 15:14 GMT
>I have recently received details of a paper entitled: 'The German
>Corporate Governance Code: general acceptance and neuralgic norms - a
>second look'
>
>Having never before encountered the word "neuralgic" used in anything
>other than a medical context, I turned to the OED where I found:

<snip>

>The citations suggest that this usage is more frequent in Leftpondia but
>since the authors of the paper appear to be German I wondered if it was
>a translation of a word more commonly used there. Does anyone have any
>ideas on this?

Google found an art website with a page that might help:

http://www.mikro.in-berlin.de/neuralgic/concept/1_contempneuralgia.html

   Contemporary Neuralgia
   
   Our time is riddled by the pressing urgency of a change which is
   imminent, yet, for which we have no guidelines and few utopian
   visions. We experience the pains, the cynicisms and the
   helplessness of a globalised world, fully aware of its
   unsustainability.
   
   The exhibition project Neuralgic raises the question of how to
   react to the need for change. Taking oil and the technical
   'nervous system' as its central metaphors and examples,
   Neuralgic investigates the vital infrastructure of contemporary
   societies, and how this infrastructure affects the way in which
   we live, and how we can translate our experiences into forms of
   expression and action.
   
   Eight European artists have been invited to explore such
   'neuralgic areas' and their imaginary potentials.
   ...
   Neuralgia is "a disease, the chief symptom of which is a very
   acute pain, exacerbating or intermitting, which follows the
   course of a nervous branch, extends to its ramifications, and
   seems therefore to be seated in the nerve." (Webster's Revised
   Unabridged Dictionary, 1998) Neuralgic pain extends through the
   filiations of the nervous system. It seems to be difficult to
   locate and independent of any structural lesion, and in many
--> cases there is no identifiable cause for it. By analogy, we use
|  the term 'Neuralgic' as a metaphor for contemporary problems
|  with cannot easily be pinned down and localised, but which
|  evolve in relations, along trajectories, through distributive
|  systems. These are not 'unidentifiable', UFO-style problems, but
|  one's which need to be traced and tackled in the complex
--> relational and conditional topologies of our contemporary world.
   
   Neuralgic looks at the geo-political, social and technical
   infrastructure, at contemporary modes of living and surviving,
   and at the possibilities for action and change. The project
   departs from the belief that art holds a potential to imagine
   such a scenario not as one of catastrophy and apocalypse, but as
   one of optimism, humour, absurdity, or sadness, as a way of
   dramatising the imaginable beyond the supposedly realistic, and
   without forgetting that there is a pressing reality that urges
   us to ask this hypothetical question.
   ...
   ...

Signature

Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)

LFS - 05 Jan 2007 15:49 GMT
>>I have recently received details of a paper entitled: 'The German
>>Corporate Governance Code: general acceptance and neuralgic norms - a
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>>a translation of a word more commonly used there. Does anyone have any
>>ideas on this?

<snip>

 Neuralgic pain extends through the
>     filiations of the nervous system. It seems to be difficult to
>     locate and independent of any structural lesion, and in many
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> --> relational and conditional topologies of our contemporary world.
>    

<snip>

Wonderful stuff! Thanks, Peter.

Signature

Laura
(emulate St. George for email)

Mike Lyle - 05 Jan 2007 16:19 GMT
> >>I have recently received details of a paper entitled: 'The German
> >>Corporate Governance Code: general acceptance and neuralgic norms - a
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
>
> Wonderful stuff! Thanks, Peter.

Nothing a bit of mainstreaming on a three-legged diversity stool
wouldn't cure. By a less strained analogy, we use the term "Ibuprofen"
as a broadly Hippocratic metaphor more deeply centred on outreaches for
those contemporary and current solution trajectories with regard to
symptomatic issues tending wholly or in part to be characterized by
post-Protestant relatavistic parameters of tangential palliation. None
of the preceding analysis, read provisionally, is intended to impinge
upon virtual territories properly within the scope of human, or indeed
species, rights provisions, though such issues of intentionality
should, and must, in definitive practice not be taken to inhibit such
notional boundary-transitions: only thus (Hammer, Sapristi et al 2001)
are we able to transcend Western subjective and objective
provisionality in such ways as to arrive at imperative significance.

Signature

Mike.

Peter Duncanson - 05 Jan 2007 16:22 GMT
>Nothing a bit of mainstreaming on a three-legged diversity stool
>wouldn't cure. By a less strained analogy, we use the term "Ibuprofen"
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>are we able to transcend Western subjective and objective
>provisionality in such ways as to arrive at imperative significance.

Are you sure of that?

Signature

Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)

Mike Lyle - 05 Jan 2007 16:33 GMT
> >Nothing a bit of mainstreaming on a three-legged diversity stool
> >wouldn't cure. By a less strained analogy, we use the term "Ibuprofen"
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> Are you sure of that?

In the broader sense, yes.

Signature

Mike.

LFS - 05 Jan 2007 17:51 GMT
>>>>I have recently received details of a paper entitled: 'The German
>>>>Corporate Governance Code: general acceptance and neuralgic norms - a
[quoted text clipped - 41 lines]
> are we able to transcend Western subjective and objective
> provisionality in such ways as to arrive at imperative significance.

You're very good at this, Mr L, almost as good as my other erudite and
charming friend Mike. But relativistic, shirley?

As for tangential palliative solutions, I recently discovered the quite
amazing difference between the price of branded and unbranded ibuprofen.
I have wasted a horrifying amount of money over the last few months.

Signature

Laura
(emulate St. George for email)

Amethyst Deceiver - 07 Jan 2007 14:10 GMT
>As for tangential palliative solutions, I recently discovered the quite
>amazing difference between the price of branded and unbranded ibuprofen.
>I have wasted a horrifying amount of money over the last few months.

It's always worth asking for an unbranded version of over-the-counter
medication.
Signature

Linz
Wet Yorks via Cambridge, York, London and Watford
My accent may vary

Mike Lyle - 07 Jan 2007 19:09 GMT
[...]
> > post-Protestant relatavistic parameters of tangential palliation. None
[...]

> You're very good at this, Mr L, almost as good as my other erudite and
> charming friend Mike. But relativistic, shirley?

Thank you. Damned good word, though, isn't it? I could spin you another
page with that as a prompt. It was observed that previous studies had
accorded little attention to the inherently bidirectional nature of
transgenerational exchange transactions in subjectivised
perception-paradigms.

> As for tangential palliative solutions, I recently discovered the quite
> amazing difference between the price of branded and unbranded ibuprofen.
> I have wasted a horrifying amount of money over the last few months.

Like Linz says. Go generic. I gather it's a Boots patent, so they don't
care which brand you buy.

Signature

Mike.

irwell - 05 Jan 2007 16:24 GMT
>>>I have recently received details of a paper entitled: 'The German
>>>Corporate Governance Code: general acceptance and neuralgic norms - a
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>> --> relational and conditional topologies of our contemporary world.
>>    
Usually by neurasthenics
Peter Duncanson - 05 Jan 2007 16:50 GMT
>I have recently received details of a paper entitled: 'The German
>Corporate Governance Code: general acceptance and neuralgic norms - a
>second look'

After further stirring of the neurons I suggest "systemic" as a
synonym for "neuralgic" in this context.

Signature

Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)

doin75 - 05 Jan 2007 17:20 GMT
Hi <<FIRST>>, Here is a scary SECRET about the Home Based Business
Industry

It's no secret that millions of people from around the world join home
based businesses every year.  And it's no secret that some of those
people
actually make enough money to quit their jobs and become financially
wealthy.

The reason those things are not secrets, is because every network
marketer
on the planet tells us those those words every single day trying to get
us
to join their opportunity!

What we don't hear, however, is the stories about the people who aren't
as
successful.

The truth is that over half of people who get involved in a home based
business don't ever make a profit!  That's a scary statistic when you
think
about the number of people getting involved every year.

Why does that happen???

You see in most companies, the ONLY way to make money is by referring
other
people to the product or opportunity and earning money in the
compensation
program.

The challenge with that is that a lot of people DON'T LIKE TO RECRUIT
and
don't want to have to sign up a lot of people to be able to make money.

So what happens when people in those other companies don't recruit?
Exactly, they don't make money!

So what makes us different?

ProWealthSOLUTIONS recognizes that a LOT of people just flat out don't
want
to have to recruit other people in order to make money.  They also
recognize that there are MANY more ways to make money from home than
just
in the network marketing industry.

That is what makes this opportunity so powerful!  Our product line
gives
you YOUR OWN BUSINESSES to help you create MULTIPLE STREAMS OF INCOME
outside of the network marketing industry.  That means, you can make
money
in some of the most powerful industries in the world, whether you ever
decide to recruit a single person or not!

In fact many of our members would NEVER get involved in a network
marketing
opportunity, but because of the value in our products and the powerful
ways
you can earn money in industries like Real Estate, Mortgage, Credit
Repair,
Stock Market, Credit Card Processing, and more!

So, the secret is out.    Whether you love to recruit, or absolutely hate
it,
PWS is EXACTLY what you've been looking for.

Go back to your website and check out the Product page.  Just go to
http://doin75.pwsjoin.com/ and login with your email address in the top
box.

Then click on Join Now to get started TODAY!

Have an awesome day,

<<my name is bumjin park>>
Mike Lyle - 05 Jan 2007 17:30 GMT
> Hi <<FIRST>>, Here is a scary SECRET about the Home Based Business
> Industry
[...]
> Have an awesome day,
>
> <<my name is bumjin park>>

Laura, I'm not sure you should complain too much about STS if this is
the kind of thing you're going to trigger. And his first name has given
me an attack of Stuck Preposterous Name Syndrome.

Bum Rum. Etc etc etc: somebody make it stop!!

Signature

Mike.

LFS - 05 Jan 2007 17:55 GMT
>>Hi <<FIRST>>, Here is a scary SECRET about the Home Based Business
>>Industry
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Bum Rum. Etc etc etc: somebody make it stop!!

Why did he pick on my very serious on-topic thread?

Have I mentioned one of my Chinese students, Peng? His spoken English is
very poor and the first time he came to see me he introduced himself by
saying "I Peng". Peng rhymes with gong.

Signature

Laura
(emulate St. George for email)

LFS - 05 Jan 2007 17:42 GMT
>>I have recently received details of a paper entitled: 'The German
>>Corporate Governance Code: general acceptance and neuralgic norms - a
>>second look'
>
> After further stirring of the neurons I suggest "systemic" as a
> synonym for "neuralgic" in this context.

It wouldn't attract as much attention, being a commonly used word in
this context. The journal in which the paper appears is fairly obscure
but I've now found the abstract, which makes the use of "neuralgic" even
more mysterious, since it looks like a very bog-standard study.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Based on a survey of all the companies listed at the Frankfurt Stock
Exchange, this paper analyses the extent of compliance with the German
Corporate Governance Code. The investigation includes the
recommendations as well as the suggestions of the Code. Overall,
findings indicate a high level of Code conformity. Furthermore, the Code
continues to contribute to the changes of the governance modalities of
German firms. Nonetheless, Code standards remain which gain comparably
less acceptance. We identify those norms, which are still rejected by
the majority of the surveyed corporations and discuss why these
compliance rates are currently low and whether they can be expected to
increase in the future.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

I'm sure I can do better with the concept. All I need to do is to bolt
it on to a German philosopher...no, no, I didn't say that..shh..

Signature

Laura
(emulate St. George for email)

Peter Duncanson - 05 Jan 2007 18:37 GMT
>>>I have recently received details of a paper entitled: 'The German
>>>Corporate Governance Code: general acceptance and neuralgic norms - a
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>It wouldn't attract as much attention, being a commonly used word in
>this context.

There is that. Attention grabbing and comprehensible would be a
better combination.

> The journal in which the paper appears is fairly obscure
>but I've now found the abstract, which makes the use of "neuralgic" even
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>I'm sure I can do better with the concept. All I need to do is to bolt
>it on to a German philosopher...no, no, I didn't say that..shh..

Wazzat? I didn't hear a thing.

Signature

Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)

Adrian Bailey - 05 Jan 2007 20:35 GMT
> I have recently received details of a paper entitled: 'The German
> Corporate Governance Code: general acceptance and neuralgic norms - a
> second look'

http://www.dwds.de/cgi-bin/portalL.pl?search=neuralgisch
http://dict.uni-leipzig.de/cgi-bin/wort_www.exe?site=2&Wort_id=64469360
http://www.duden.de/duden-suche/werke/dgfw/000/044/neuralgisch.44479.html
http://de.wiktionary.org/wiki/neuralgisch
usw.

Adrian
LFS - 05 Jan 2007 22:56 GMT
>>I have recently received details of a paper entitled: 'The German
>>Corporate Governance Code: general acceptance and neuralgic norms - a
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> http://de.wiktionary.org/wiki/neuralgisch
> usw.

<whispers> Thank you but I don't do German and I don't want to mention
the magic word...
Signature

Laura
(emulate St. George for email)

Wayne Brown - 06 Jan 2007 20:13 GMT
> The citations suggest that this usage is more frequent in
> Leftpondia but since the authors of the paper appear to be
> German I wondered if it was a translation of a word more
> commonly used there. Does anyone have any ideas on this?

Your feeling is right on target. As another poster has already
pointed out by giving links to German dictionaries, the
adjective "neuralgisch" (neuralgic) is in common use in German
in a figurative sense, usually matching "critical" and similar
adjectives in English. German media regularly use, for example,
"neuralgische Punkte"(literally, "neuralgic points") in a
political sense. The English translation is "trouble spots":
"Dieses Gebiet ist schon lange ein neuralgischer Punkt" (this
area has been a trouble spot for a long time). Texts by Germans
in English regularly have such oddities like the use of
neuralgic in a way that is foreign to native speakers of
English. Germans are invariably amazed to find out they're off
base with their usage, and they're so confident of their English
that they often won't believe a native speaker who points
something out to them. Therefore, please be careful what you say
to Germans so that you don't hurt their feelings.

Regards, ----- WB.
LFS - 06 Jan 2007 22:16 GMT
>> The citations suggest that this usage is more frequent in
>> Leftpondia but since the authors of the paper appear to be
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> something out to them. Therefore, please be careful what you say
> to Germans so that you don't hurt their feelings.

Thank you, Wayne, that's very helpful. I'm not sure that I can promise
to treat Germans any differently from any other nationality, though.

Signature

Laura
(emulate St. George for email)

 
Sign In
Join
My Latest Posts
My Monitored Threads
My Blog
My Photo Gallery
My Profile
My Homepage

Start New Thread
Enable EMail Alerts
Rate this Thread



©2012 Advenet LLC   Privacy Policy - Terms of Use
This website includes both content owned or controlled by Advenet as well as content owned or controlled by third parties.