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Discussion Groups / English Usage / January 2007Best word for this sign ...
I was watching the cricket the other day, and it is the practice of the producers during play to go to various parts of the crowd and take a sample of the signs being held up. Naturally, the wittiest or most telling signs get a run. Someone, perhaps angling for 15 seconds of fasme held up a sign saying: "the person behind me can't see" (presumably he meant that the sign was obscuring his sight of the play). I found this amusing, perhaps satirical (given that the sign could have been taking a dig at the encouragement the practice of focusing on signs gives to people to create signs that obstruct the vision of others) -- and perhaps even "postmodern" in the sense that the subject constructs himself as the object of a discourse in a way not contemplated. Comments ...? TOF The TOF entity posted thusly: >I was watching the cricket the other day, and it is the practice of the >producers during play to go to various parts of the crowd and take a [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >Comments ...? One of my favourites was a sign that said something like: "Caution! This sign has sharp edges". "Do not touch the edges if this sign." "Also, the bridge is out ahead." > The TOF entity posted thusly: > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > "Do not touch the edges if this sign." > "Also, the bridge is out ahead." That's the one that has the last warning in miniscule lettering, not? On 12 Jan 2007, Pat Durkin wrote >> One of my favourites was a sign that said something like: >> >> "Caution! This sign has sharp edges". >> "Do not touch the edges if this sign." >> "Also, the bridge is out ahead." > That's the one that has the last warning in miniscule Oy!  SignatureCheers, Harvey Canadian and British English, indiscriminately mixed For e-mail, change harvey.news to harvey.van >On 12 Jan 2007, Pat Durkin wrote > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Oy! Miniscule: an educational establishment for rather small persons. SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english) > >On 12 Jan 2007, Pat Durkin wrote > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Miniscule: an educational establishment for rather small persons. "Minuscule": antonym of "pluscule", or a cule that is less than a zerocule. >> >On 12 Jan 2007, Pat Durkin wrote >> > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > "Minuscule": antonym of "pluscule", or a cule that is less > than a zerocule. 6.02 * 10^23 cules make a molecule. SignatureRoland Hutchinson Will play viola da gamba for food. NB mail to my.spamtrap [at] verizon.net is heavily filtered to remove spam. If your message looks like spam I may not see it. [...] > >> Miniscule: an educational establishment for rather small persons. > > "Minuscule": antonym of "pluscule", or a cule that is less > > than a zerocule. > 6.02 * 10^23 cules make a molecule. Thank you. That will be good to know. I suppose I could have mentioned that my comment on "minuscule" can be a mnemonic to help avoid writing "miniscule". It's sorta like saying "The teacher will be up in arms if you write 'dimunition', and your grade, already minute, may suffer further diminution". > [...] > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > you write 'dimunition', and your grade, already minute, may > suffer further diminution". Cule. Cheers, Sage > I suppose I could have mentioned that my comment on > "minuscule" can be a mnemonic to help avoid writing [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > you write 'dimunition', and your grade, already minute, may > suffer further diminution". Alternatively: "... and your grade will be dimunished." SignaturePeter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org Please note the changed e-mail and web addresses. The domain eepjm.newcastle.edu.au no longer exists, and I can no longer receive mail at my newcastle.edu.au addresses. The optusnet address could disappear at any time. > On 12 Jan 2007, Pat Durkin wrote > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Oy! Ah, I know we have discussed this spelling before. I thought about it as I typed it. I knew it the moment I clicked "Send". I thought I would let my spell-checker catch it. It didn't even burp, much less belch. M-W Online: miniscule One entry found for miniscule. Main Entry: min·is·cule Pronunciation: 'mi-n&s-"kyül variant of MINUSCULE usage The adjective minuscule is etymologically related to minus, but associations with mini- have produced the spelling variant miniscule. This variant dates to the end of the 19th century, and it now occurs commonly in published writing, but it continues to be widely regarded as an error. On 12 Jan 2007, Pat Durkin wrote >> On 12 Jan 2007, Pat Durkin wrote >>> That's the one that has the last warning in miniscule >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > miniscule > One entry found for miniscule. -snip- > This variant dates to the end of the 19th century, and it now > occurs commonly in published writing, but it continues to be > widely regarded as an error. Mileages vary, but I vote with Burchfield rather than M-W; he has this: ---------- minuscule 1. Spelt thus, not _miniscule_. ---------- (It's still a legit "oy" in my books...) SignatureCheers, Harvey Canadian and British English, indiscriminately mixed For e-mail, change harvey.news to harvey.van > On 12 Jan 2007, Pat Durkin wrote >>> On 12 Jan 2007, Pat Durkin wrote [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > (It's still a legit "oy" in my books...) How legit? I accept "miniscule" as an error, and will avoid its use in all future occasions. But the use of "Oy!" is totally unnecessary. Why not just a neat "Ahem", or "Er. . ."? Now those have a legitimacy in English usage that is far more ancient than the upstart SalVo's insistence on its use in AUE. > >> On 12 Jan 2007, Pat Durkin wrote [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > > What's the deal with "Oy!" anyways? I first heard "Oy!" online as opposed to "Oy vey!" offline. >What's the deal with "Oy!" anyways? I first heard "Oy!" online as >opposed to "Oy vey!" offline. "Oy!" is an interjection to attract someone's attention and to indicate that the person has done or is doing something wrong. I've been familiar with this in offline contexts (in the UK) for decades. If a person accidentally picks up something belonging to someone else the owner might then say "Oy! That's mine!". SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english) > >What's the deal with "Oy!" anyways? I first heard "Oy!" online as > >opposed to "Oy vey!" offline. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > decades. If a person accidentally picks up something belonging to > someone else the owner might then say "Oy! That's mine!". But you'd never hear "Oy! That's mine" in that context from someone whose use of "Oy" comes from Yiddish. The Yiddish "Oy!" is an expression of dismay. "Oy, vey" is the same but more emphatic. (It derives from German "Weh", meaning "woe".) Now, if someone were to pick up something belonging to someone else, announce his intent to destroy it, and start to do so, that might well elicit an "Oy! That's mine" from the rightful owner. But without the element of dismay, no "Oy!" This is, I believe, a recapitulation of a prior thread, and my recollection is that the attention-getting word is most commonly spelled "Oi", but of course that's of no consequence in the spoken language. SignatureBob Lieblich Gevalt! > >> What's the deal with "Oy!" anyways? I first heard "Oy!" online as [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Interesting. So, why would someone try to get another person's attention. I have an email I have to examine regarding this statement. As this person did not request personal confidentiality of me I can publish this sentence. Just a minute. someone wrote to me: > What is "OPF", by the way? Something to do with Orthodox People, no > doubt? Oy, now I remember, Orthodox Peace Fellowship. I doubt if they > are the least bit effective if they think they are going to help > prevent wars by nattering about peace. What does trying to get my attention have to do with this? [...] > someone wrote to me: > > What is "OPF", by the way? Something to do with Orthodox People, no > > doubt? Oy, now I remember, Orthodox Peace Fellowship. I doubt if they > > are the least bit effective if they think they are going to help > > prevent wars by nattering about peace. > What does trying to get my attention have to do with this? Probably nothing. The Y key is next above the H key. SignatureMike. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com The Pat Durkin entity posted thusly: >> The TOF entity posted thusly: >> [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > >That's the one that has the last warning in miniscule lettering, not? That's the one. I see you've already been Oyed. > One of my favourites was a sign that said something like: > > "Caution! This sign has sharp edges". > "Do not touch the edges if this sign." > "Also, the bridge is out ahead." http://tinyurl.com/o2q8b = http://k1ck.com/k1ck2005/images/stories/gallery/this-sign-has-sharp-edges.jpg SignatureBlinky RLU 297263 Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement Project: http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html Oleg Lego filted: >One of my favourites was a sign that said something like: > >"Caution! This sign has sharp edges". >"Do not touch the edges if this sign." >"Also, the bridge is out ahead." One of my favorite bilingual signs: http://www.signslanguage.com/Bow-Wow.gif ....r Signature"Keep your eye on the Bishop. I want to know when he makes his move", said the Inspector, obliquely. > Oleg Lego filted: >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > http://www.signslanguage.com/Bow-Wow.gif It's not idiomatic. They left out the "grrrrrrr ki-yi-yi-yi-yi" at the end. CDB filted: >> One of my favorite bilingual signs: >> >> http://www.signslanguage.com/Bow-Wow.gif > >It's not idiomatic. They left out the "grrrrrrr ki-yi-yi-yi-yi" at >the end. This is an official sign, so "nose dialect" is discouraged....r Signature"Keep your eye on the Bishop. I want to know when he makes his move", said the Inspector, obliquely. > One of my favorite bilingual signs: > > http://www.signslanguage.com/Bow-Wow.gif > > ....r The Dog Officer isn't doing his job, though, as the notice is still there. SignatureEvan Kirshenbaum +------------------------------------ HP Laboratories |The law of supply and demand tells us 1501 Page Mill Road, 1U, MS 1141 |that when the price of something is Palo Alto, CA 94304 |artificially set below market level, |there will soon be none of that thing kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com |left--as you may have noticed the (650)857-7572 |last time you tried to buy something |for nothing. http://www.kirshenbaum.net/ | P.J. O'Rourke (Snip) > One of my favourites was a sign that said something like: > > "Caution! This sign has sharp edges". > "Do not touch the edges if this sign." > "Also, the bridge is out ahead." I have a photo of the first one. Cheers, Sage > I was watching the cricket the other day, and it is the practice of the > producers during play to go to various parts of the crowd and take a [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > TOF Don't know what they're called, but some golf courses have sign with words to the effect of: Don't lean golf clubs against this sign. Stupot > Don't know what they're called, but some golf courses have sign with > words to the effect of: > > Don't lean golf clubs against this sign. I've never seen the sign that says "Do not throw stones at this sign", although I've heard reports of its existence. I did once see a sign saying something like "This is not the notice referred to in regulation 1.5(c)". SignaturePeter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org Please note the changed e-mail and web addresses. The domain eepjm.newcastle.edu.au no longer exists, and I can no longer receive mail at my newcastle.edu.au addresses. The optusnet address could disappear at any time. This Usenet posting is intentionally blank. >This Usenet posting is intentionally blank. Sorta like this image: http://c0quecigrue.free.fr/images/andrew/no_image.gif Jitze >> This Usenet posting is intentionally blank. > > Sorta like this image: > > http://c0quecigrue.free.fr/images/andrew/no_image.gif A related example http://www.pmoylan.org/pages/os2/wft.html owes its existence to my incompetence in graphic design. SignaturePeter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org Please note the changed e-mail and web addresses. The domain eepjm.newcastle.edu.au no longer exists, and I can no longer receive mail at my newcastle.edu.au addresses. The optusnet address could disappear at any time. >> Don't know what they're called, but some golf courses have sign with >> words to the effect of: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > a sign saying something like "This is not the notice referred to in > regulation 1.5(c)". At work, there are some signs that say (only) something like "This is a designated area in accordance with ABC regulation 12.5". No notion about what would be important about such an area. My suspicion is that the regulation says something like "There must be at least three areas designated by the following sign: ..." SignatureEvan Kirshenbaum +------------------------------------ HP Laboratories |Now and then an innocent man is sent 1501 Page Mill Road, 1U, MS 1141 |to the legislature. Palo Alto, CA 94304 | Kim Hubbard kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com (650)857-7572 http://www.kirshenbaum.net/ > >> Don't know what they're called, but some golf courses have sign with > >> words to the effect of: > >> Don't lean golf clubs against this sign. > > I've never seen the sign that says "Do not throw stones at this > > sign", although I've heard reports of its existence. I did once see > > a sign saying something like "This is not the notice referred to in > > regulation 1.5(c)". > At work, there are some signs that say (only) something like "This is > a designated area in accordance with ABC regulation 12.5". No notion > about what would be important about such an area. My suspicion is > that the regulation says something like "There must be at least three > areas designated by the following sign: ..." Not exactly in tune with the other sign comments, but a sign that I thought a little ridiculous was a "One Way" sign in Idaho Falls, Idaho. It was oriented at right angles to the one-way street, so that a driver was likely to not see it before beginning his or her turn into the street. I've wondered if the knucklehead who ordered the sign oriented that way ever came to realize it should be parallel to the street so that a driver would see it well before starting to turn. The knucklehead could have taken his cue from street signs, which are normally parallel to the street and so are readable well before you reach the street.. I thought about explaining that to the police officer, but decided it would serve no other purpose than to further annoy him. >Not exactly in tune with the other sign comments, but a sign >that I thought a little ridiculous was a "One Way" sign in >Idaho Falls, Idaho. It was oriented at right angles to the >one-way street, so that a driver was likely to not see it >before beginning his or her turn into the street. Near my house in Toronto, there's a street called Pottery Road, which descends into a valley precipitously and with a surprising ess curve near the bottom. To add excitement to the experience of driving down the road are some driveways near the ess curve. To warn drivers of the danger, a yellow diamond sign warns of HIDDEN ENTRANCES. The sign however is well hidden in the brush at the side of the road, and I only became aware of its existence the first time I walked down the road. Someday, I'd like to post a sign warning of HIDDEN SIGNS at the top of the hill. On an unrelated note, the other day I saw a bag of lamb's lettuce at a supermarket. I had my young son with me, so it was only when I got to the checkout that I realised what was wrong with the packaging. It read in big letters "MACHES (sounds like MASH)", and then of course this being Canada, had a French translation, something like "MACHES (se prononce comme MACHES)". I've gone back several times since, hoping to get a photograph, but lamb's lettuce season appears to be over. John SignatureJohn Chew (poslfit on MD) * jjchew@math.utoronto.ca * http://www.poslfit.com > Near my house in Toronto, there's a street called Pottery Road, which > descends into a valley precipitously and with a surprising ess curve [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > road. Someday, I'd like to post a sign warning of HIDDEN SIGNS at the > top of the hill. I've often been tempted to put up a sign saying "Warning: misleading sign ahead". Speed humps in Australia are sometimes notified by a sign bearing the single word "HUMP". A friend of mine had himself photographed humping the sign. SignaturePeter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org Please note the changed e-mail and web addresses. The domain eepjm.newcastle.edu.au no longer exists, and I can no longer receive mail at my newcastle.edu.au addresses. The optusnet address could disappear at any time. > Speed humps in Australia are sometimes notified by a sign bearing the > single word "HUMP". A friend of mine had himself photographed humping > the sign. > :-) Sounds like a cool friend. >> Speed humps in Australia are sometimes notified by a sign bearing the >> single word "HUMP". A friend of mine had himself photographed humping >> the sign. >> >:-) >Sounds like a cool friend. Sure, until you take a drive on the Autobahn with him, and every time you pass an exit sign he makes a point of breaking wind. http://www.weitnauer-messtechnik.ch/images/2003/ausfahrt.jpg Best regards, Spehro Pefhany "Lowering the tone on Usenet since 1994" > > Speed humps in Australia are sometimes notified by a sign bearing the > > single word "HUMP". A friend of mine had himself photographed humping > > the sign. > :-) > Sounds like a cool friend. Yeah, but then what does he do when he sees a railroad car marked DO NOT HUMP? http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/148131/2/istockphoto_148131_d o_not_hump.jpg http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a2_402b.html SignatureMark Brader, Toronto "Sex on trains, of course." msb@vex.net -- Clive Feather >>> Speed humps in Australia are sometimes notified by a sign bearing the >>> single word "HUMP". A friend of mine had himself photographed humping [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a2_402b.html > I love that picture on the second link there. Wow. Where do you all get your excellent sense of humor from? Actually both pictures are hilarious! But the one of the tart kicking the guy off the train, that's classic! [...] > > Yeah, but then what does he do when he sees a railroad car marked DO NOT HUMP? http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/148131/2/istockphoto_148131_d o_not_hump.jpg > > http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a2_402b.html > > > I love that picture on the second link there. [...] British railways are disappointingly cautious in their wording: they stencil "Not to be hump shunted". And, OT, what happened to all those lovely code names on the sides of the various British goods wagons? In BR days the types were marked with the names of water creatures: "dogfish", "whale", "zander", even "mermaid". Spotting them was one of the reasons for looking out the window on train journeys. There doesn't seem to be a list on the 'net: time for Mark to write a Wikipedia piece? SignatureMike. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >I've often been tempted to put up a sign saying "Warning: misleading >sign ahead". There's an old punch cartoon of a roadsign saying "caution, unnecessary signs ahead" followed by signs with teapots and similar on them. >Speed humps in Australia are sometimes notified by a sign bearing the >single word "HUMP". A friend of mine had himself photographed humping >the sign. I've still not seen the famous humped zebra that is supposed to cross the road in some places. SignatureOn-line canal route planner: http://www.canalplan.org.uk (Waterways World site of the month, April 2001) My Reply-To address *is* valid, though likely to die soon The Bob Cunningham entity posted thusly: >Not exactly in tune with the other sign comments, but a sign >that I thought a little ridiculous was a "One Way" sign in >Idaho Falls, Idaho. It was oriented at right angles to the >one-way street, so that a driver was likely to not see it >before beginning his or her turn into the street. The problem with that is that a driver, seeing the sign aligned that way, could easily take it as an admonition that the road he is on suddenly becomes one-way, opposite the direction he is travelling. The proper orientation for that sign, IMO, should be at right angles to the one-way street (oriented so that a driver driving toward the wrong end of the street, sees the lettering), but the placement should be such that it is visible while crossing the intersection at right angle to the one-way street. Depending on the layout of the intersection, a "no left turn", "no right turn", or "no turns" sign, parallel to the one-way steeet(s). >I've wondered if the knucklehead who ordered the sign >oriented that way ever came to realize it should be parallel [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >decided it would serve no other purpose than to further >annoy him. Ahh... the objection becomes clearer. >> Don't know what they're called, but some golf courses have sign with >> words to the effect of: >> >> Don't lean golf clubs against this sign. > >I've never seen the sign that says "Do not throw stones at this sign", "Do not throw stones at this notice" was a favourite of my fathers. I'm not sure where he got it from. SignatureOn-line canal route planner: http://www.canalplan.org.uk (Waterways World site of the month, April 2001) My Reply-To address *is* valid, though likely to die soon [ ... ] > "Do not throw stones at this notice" was a favourite of my fathers. Was there some biological miracle of which we are unaware, or is this a reference to multiple male ancestors? [ ... ] SignatureBob Lieblich Shame on me >[ ... ] > >> "Do not throw stones at this notice" was a favourite of my fathers. > >Was there some biological miracle of which we are unaware, or is this >a reference to multiple male ancestors? He was frightened by a greengrocer. SignatureOn-line canal route planner: http://www.canalplan.org.uk (Waterways World site of the month, April 2001) My Reply-To address *is* valid, though likely to die soon >> I was watching the cricket the other day, and it is the practice of the >> producers during play to go to various parts of the crowd and take a [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > >Don't lean golf clubs against this sign. "We apologise for any inconvenience caused by this sign." SignatureRichard Bollard Canberra Australia To email, I'm at AMT not spAMT. > >> I was watching the cricket the other day, and it is the practice of the > >> producers during play to go to various parts of the crowd and take a [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > "We apologise for any inconvenience caused by this sign." >From memory, there's a similar recursive loop in the credits for Monty Python's Holy Grail. TOF [...] > Don't know what they're called, but some golf courses have sign with > words to the effect of: > > Don't lean golf clubs against this sign. But that might be to protect the rare orchids growing in the immediate vicinity of where the sign stands. SignatureLes >I was watching the cricket the other day, and it is the practice of the >producers during play to go to various parts of the crowd and take a [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >constructs himself as the object of a discourse in a way not >contemplated. You might enjoy those signs in France which say "Defense d'Afficher", a sign which in effect says that no signs are allowed. Jitze [...] > You might enjoy those signs in France which say "Defense d'Afficher", > a sign which in effect says that no signs are allowed. At a place where I once worked, on the outside of one of the exterior doors there was a sign saying "Entrance only". This was presumably to keep someone who was outside from trying to use that door to exit. > Jitze > At a place where I once worked, on the outside of one of the > exterior doors there was a sign saying "Entrance only". This was > presumably to keep someone who was outside from trying to use that > door to exit. I've seen that in stores, and at times it's reasonable: You're empty-handed now, but when you come out with your arms full, you're going to be coming out over *there*, so maybe you want to park near that door and do your walking before you get in. SignatureEvan Kirshenbaum +------------------------------------ HP Laboratories |Yesterday I washed a single sock. 1501 Page Mill Road, 1U, MS 1141 |When I opened the door, the machine Palo Alto, CA 94304 |was empty. kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com (650)857-7572 http://www.kirshenbaum.net/ > > At a place where I once worked, on the outside of one of the > > exterior doors there was a sign saying "Entrance only". This was > > presumably to keep someone who was outside from trying to use that > > door to exit. > I've seen that in stores, and at times it's reasonable: You're > empty-handed now, but when you come out with your arms full, you're > going to be coming out over *there*, so maybe you want to park near > that door and do your walking before you get in. Yes, but in that situation the "Enter" and "Exit" signs should be large and prominent, as they are, for example, at Home Depot. It would be much less effective to make the customer walk up to the door to see "Entrance Only" in relatively small lettering on the door itself. And by that time he or she has already parked. > (Jitze Couperus) said: >> You might enjoy those signs in France which say "Defense d'Afficher", >> a sign which in effect says that no signs are allowed. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > was presumably to keep someone who was outside from trying > to use that door to exit. I'll have to verify this, but I'm pretty sure that there is an "Entrance only" sign facing the street at one of the driveways of my local ARCO station. I caught a backward glimpse of it exiting the station by that venue. Oh, OK, there were some arrows pointing against me on the pavement, but ... The only reason for the sign being where it is might be to embolden those entering the station by that route into using any or all parts of that very wide access. SignatureSkitt (in Hayward, California) http://www.geocities.com/opus731/ > [...] > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > was presumably to keep someone who was outside from trying > to use that door to exit. I confess to becoming hesitant and confused while driving the freeways, upon encountering the signs that say "Exit Only". I never know whether this means that if you get off at that exit you can't get back on, or whether you have to drive a hundred miles before finding another entrance. I finally noticed one sign just recently that clearly stated "Exit only, no re-entrance from Sherman Ave." Of course it didn't have the same punctuation--and most of these signs are in the majuscular. >> (Jitze Couperus) said: >>> You might enjoy those signs in France which say "Defense >>> d'Afficher", a sign which in effect says that no signs are allowed. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > course it didn't have the same punctuation--and most of these > signs are in the majuscular. The "Exit Only" signs on freeways are usually over the rightmost lane, and their meaning is that the lane is only for leaving the freeway. Drivers desiring to remain on the freeway have to move to the left. SignatureSkitt (in Hayward, California) http://www.geocities.com/opus731/ In alt.usage.english, Skitt wrote: >> I confess to becoming hesitant and confused while driving the >> freeways, upon encountering the signs that say "Exit Only". I never [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >and their meaning is that the lane is only for leaving the freeway. >Drivers desiring to remain on the freeway have to move to the left. [Cross-thread alert] Wouldn't a diagram be clearer? | | |###/ / | | |##/ / | | |#/ / | | |/ / | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | SignatureMike Barnes Cheshire, England >>> I confess to becoming hesitant and confused while driving the >>> freeways, upon encountering the signs that say "Exit Only". I never [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > | | | | > | | | | For sure, but where's the sign? The lane-dividing markers don't look quite right either. Don't do things half-way, like I do. Here you go: http://safety.fhwa.dot.gov/media/images/chap3art.jpg SignatureSkitt (in Hayward, California) http://www.geocities.com/opus731/ In alt.usage.english, Skitt wrote: >>>> I confess to becoming hesitant and confused while driving the >>>> freeways, upon encountering the signs that say "Exit Only". I never [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > >For sure, but where's the sign? | | |###/ / | | |##/ / | | |#/ / | | |/ / | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | SIGN > The lane-dividing markers don't look quite right either. Don't do >things half-way, like I do. Actually the real signs in the UK look somewhat different: http://www.thedowerhouse.com/lanedrop.gif >Here you go: >http://safety.fhwa.dot.gov/media/images/chap3art.jpg That image wouldn't load for me. But actually our lane drops, like yours I imagine, are usually indicated in combination with destination information. http://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/gallery/albums/userpics/10031/normal_LL28.JPG http://www.cbrd.co.uk/media/photo/5/05.jpg SignatureMike Barnes Cheshire, England >>>>> I confess to becoming hesitant and confused while driving the >>>>> freeways, upon encountering the signs that say "Exit Only". I [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > > That image wouldn't load for me. Right. That site is not responding today. Here's another: http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/HTM/2003/images/fig-2e-10_sm.gif > But actually our lane drops, like yours I imagine, are usually > indicated in combination with destination information. > > http://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/gallery/albums/userpics/10031/normal_LL28.JPG > http://www.cbrd.co.uk/media/photo/5/05.jpg Right, but I don't see the "Exit Only" words on your signs. Could be my eyes ... SignatureSkitt (in Hayward, California) http://www.geocities.com/opus731/ In alt.usage.english, Skitt wrote: >>> http://safety.fhwa.dot.gov/media/images/chap3art.jpg >> >> That image wouldn't load for me. > >Right. That site is not responding today. Here's another: >http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/HTM/2003/images/fig-2e-10_sm.gif Thanks, that's clear now. >> But actually our lane drops, like yours I imagine, are usually >> indicated in combination with destination information. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Right, but I don't see the "Exit Only" words on your signs. Could be >my eyes ... It's not your eyes. In the UK the principal indications of a lane drop are the separate white-bordered sign above the lane concerned, and the denser white line separating that lane from the next. The words "Exit Only" are never used. I might have strayed too far from the point. SignatureMike Barnes Cheshire, England [...] > > But actually our lane drops, like yours I imagine, are usually > > indicated in combination with destination information. http://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/gallery/albums/userpics/10031/normal_LL28.JPG > > http://www.cbrd.co.uk/media/photo/5/05.jpg > > Right, but I don't see the "Exit Only" words on your signs. Could be my > eyes ... My first reaction to that was "Why would anybody put up a sign saying 'exit'? If you're on the road to Brum and take the lane for Worcester, of course it's going to be a bloody exit!" My sluggish faculties then understood the significance of the "only" part, and I had to admit I don't know how that situation's handled here. The "No re-entry" sign is an excellent idea. Junctions which allow only exit or only entry seem rare here; in fact I use one like that so often that I have no idea how it's signed on the motorway itself. You _can_ get on or off the m'way at this junction with a rather minor road, but you can't get onto the _southbound_ carriageway, so it is a sort of "exit only" deal. SignatureMike. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >>> But actually our lane drops, like yours I imagine, are usually >>> indicated in combination with destination information. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > get onto the _southbound_ carriageway, so it is a sort of "exit only" > deal. Ah, the "Exit Only" signs do not mean that there's no re-entry. They mean that the lane below the sign will not continue on for through traffic, but will turn off the highway. In another post I mentioned a particular intersection on the Bee Line (SR-528) in Florida, where the Dallas Blvd. exit for eastbound traffic has the warning that there is no re-entry in that direction, and anyone exiting there will be forced to reenter the road heading back west. This is a toll road, so there will be additional expense involved. SignatureSkitt (in Hayward, California) http://www.geocities.com/opus731/ Mike Barnes filted: >In alt.usage.english, Skitt wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > | | | | > | | | | Now you've gone and wook up whoever it is that thinks proportional fonts are all that....r Signature"Keep your eye on the Bishop. I want to know when he makes his move", said the Inspector, obliquely. The Mike Barnes entity posted thusly: >In alt.usage.english, Skitt wrote: >>> I confess to becoming hesitant and confused while driving the [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > | | | | > | | | | It would have me looking for bare and partially bare trees. > The Mike Barnes entity posted thusly: > > >In alt.usage.english, Skitt wrote: [...] > >>The "Exit Only" signs on freeways are usually over the rightmost lane, > >>and their meaning is that the lane is only for leaving the freeway. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > It would have me looking for bare and partially bare trees. Among the brown tourist signs on British roads is one representing trees, for "nature reserve" and such. The trees are highly stylised, being shown as a line of letter Ys with round blobs in the forks: to me they look like a wildly cheering crowd, so for a while I thought the sign meant "stadium". Nice one for the literal-minded here: http://www.guy-sports.com/fun_pictures/KeepLeft.jpg SignatureMike. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >>> (Jitze Couperus) said: > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > and their meaning is that the lane is only for leaving the freeway. > Drivers desiring to remain on the freeway have to move to the left. Don't you think I know that? (On approaching these signs, though--most often they are overhead, with an arrow pointing down at the lane(s), one does wonder which one or two of one, two or three lanes will be the appropriate exit(s). Sometimes, the exit only comes up right after an onramp debuts onto the main highway. In other words, the onramp merges seamlessly with the offramp lane. The newcomers and the exiters have to quick decide whether to accelerate or slow down. You know those awkward moments when the cars are exactly side-by-side, and neither driver can observe the turn signals?) But you did miss the concept of "Exit Only">>Abandon hope, all ye who mistakenly take this ramp, never to resume this highway. >>> I confess to becoming hesitant and confused while driving the >>> freeways, upon encountering the signs that say "Exit Only". I never [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > But you did miss the concept of "Exit Only">>Abandon hope, all ye who > mistakenly take this ramp, never to resume this highway. There is such a place on the Beeline in Florida. The sign says "No re-entry", as I recall. I have never seen an "Exit Only" sign used for such a condition, but that may not mean much. SignatureSkitt (in Hayward, California) http://www.geocities.com/opus731/ >> But you did miss the concept of "Exit Only">>Abandon hope, all ye who >> mistakenly take this ramp, never to resume this highway. > >There is such a place on the Beeline in Florida. The sign says "No >re-entry", as I recall. I have never seen an "Exit Only" sign used for such >a condition, but that may not mean much. There is an exit from I-4 on the east-bound side near Lakeland that is clearly marked that there is no re-entry to I-4. I can tell you from personal experience that, while it is possible to get back on I-4 after exiting there, it is possible only by taking a very circuitous route. SignatureTony Cooper Orlando, FL > >> But you did miss the concept of "Exit Only">>Abandon hope, all ye who > >> mistakenly take this ramp, never to resume this highway. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > get back on I-4 after exiting there, it is possible only by taking a > very circuitous route. In my experience, an "Exit Only" sign is used over a given lane of a freeway or other multi-lane road to indicate that all traffic in that lane must exit at the next off-ramp. Much better is the sign used in California and some other places: "Must exit," which I think is about as clear as can be. Remember that the sign is for the information of the people in the lane under the sign. Usually a down arrow appears below the text to make the situation even clearer. The same down arrow also appears on most "Exit Only" signs. If the point to be made is that there is no re-entry, that is indeed covered by a "No Re-entry" sign, usually including mention of the highway it's on: "No Re-entry to I-4." Sometimes it includes the road direction and exit number: "No Re-Entry to Eastbound I-4 at Exit 36." I understood this one the first time I saw one of the kind. It can be very useful to someone trying to decide where to get off the road for petrol or a meal. SignatureBob Lieblich Must exit now >>> But you did miss the concept of "Exit Only">>Abandon hope, all ye >>> who mistakenly take this ramp, never to resume this highway. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > get back on I-4 after exiting there, it is possible only by taking a > very circuitous route. The eastbound SR-528 Dallas Blvd. exit will make you drive about 13 miles to return to eastbound SR-528 seven miles further east. I also think that this is a new development, and that when I was living in Florida (1993-2000), that route did not exist, but I could be wrong. I never checked it out. SignatureSkitt (in Hayward, California) http://www.geocities.com/opus731/ The Pat Durkin entity posted thusly: >>>> (Jitze Couperus) said: >> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >does wonder which one or two of one, two or three lanes will be the >appropriate exit(s). If the signage is properly designed for the exit, the arrow(s) will be clearly above the exit lane(s). > Sometimes, the exit only comes up right after an >onramp debuts onto the main highway. In other words, the onramp merges >seamlessly with the offramp lane. The newcomers and the exiters have to >quick decide whether to accelerate or slow down. You know those awkward >moments when the cars are exactly side-by-side, and neither driver can >observe the turn signals?) Those can be tricky. Around these parts, those are clearly marked "Yield" on one of the approaches. > Someone, perhaps angling for 15 seconds of fasme held up a sign saying: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > constructs himself as the object of a discourse in a way not > contemplated. The person behind probably wanted to deconstruct him. SignaturePeter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org Please note the changed e-mail and web addresses. The domain eepjm.newcastle.edu.au no longer exists, and I can no longer receive mail at my newcastle.edu.au addresses. The optusnet address could disappear at any time. > I was watching the cricket the other day, and it is the practice of > the producers during play to go to various parts of the crowd and > take a sample of the signs being held up. Naturally, the wittiest or > most telling signs get a run. What's that got to do with watching a cricket? ;-) SignatureSkitt (in Hayward, California) http://www.geocities.com/opus731/ > I was watching the cricket the other day, and it is the practice of the > producers during play to go to various parts of the crowd and take a > sample of the signs being held up. Naturally, the wittiest or most > telling signs get a run. So the side with the wittiest fans gets it run total increased? Aloha ~~~ Ozzie Maland ~~~ San Diego > I was watching the cricket the other day, and it is the practice of the > producers during play to go to various parts of the crowd and take a [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Comments ...? I've seen that sign before, probably on TV. It would have been funnier if there was indeed a blind person behind the sign. |
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