Home | Contact Us | FAQ | Search & Site Map | Link to Us
Sign In | Join | Other 45 Sites in Network
Home
Discussion GroupsEnglish UsageBritish EnglishESL Teaching
Learnglish.com
Contact UsLink To UsSearch & Site Map

Discussion Groups / English Usage / January 2007



Tip: Looking for answers? Try searching our database.

'but' to begin a sentence

Thread view: 
Enable EMail Alerts  Start New Thread
Thread rating: 
jinhyun - 14 Jan 2007 16:01 GMT
Hi. I was recently told by someone on this site that sentences should
never be begun with 'but'; that only clauses should be so begun. That
is to say: You can't have 'but' succeeding a period but only a
semicolon. I couldn't find this in any manuals on English usage and
style I have. Even Fowler's Modern English Usage doesn't expressly
mention it, though it does list some examples in which a 'but'
appearing at the beginning of a sentence produces a disagreeable
effect, but for quite other reasons than merely that it appears at the
beginning of a sentence. Is this a hard and fast rule or merely a style
guideline? Also,perhaps,there are cases to which this rule ought not to
be applied. If so, I should like to be furnished with examples. Thanks
in advance for any replies.

By the bye, sorry for the duplicate post on the last topic I posted( Is
'did you watch it yet?' o.k?). What happened was that when I first
posted the topic,it refused to appear on the site. Even when I checked
back half an hour later,nothing had changed. So I assumed that there
had been a mistake and posted it again. Again, the post didn't appear.
Giving it up,I went to bed. This morning,I checked again and found that
the topic at least had appeared and that some of the replies of members
were available. But I still couldn't find my posts and got the
impression that some of the earlier replies of members were missing as
well from the thread. I am unable to make out this mystery and shall
leave that to more computer-savvy heads. Thanks for your posts though.
cybercypher - 14 Jan 2007 16:01 GMT
> Hi. I was recently told by someone on this site that sentences
> should never be begun with 'but'; that only clauses should be so
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> it appears at the beginning of a sentence. Is this a hard and fast
> rule or merely a style guideline?

It's strictly a style guideline. It's not a good idea to begin too
many sentences with "but", "and", "so", "or", or any other
conjunction, but there are times when it's stylistically effective.,
even in formalo prose. It would be frowned upon in most academic
publications, however.

> Also,perhaps,there are cases to which this rule ought not to be
> applied.

It's not a rule of grammar, only of house style in some (most?)
publishing houses.

> If so, I should like to be furnished with examples.

The point to using "but" at the beginning of a sentence is to provide
the reader with a discontinuous cognitive experience because of the
longer pause required by the end stop than the comma -- I would not
use a semi-colon before a "but", only before a more formal
contrastive conjunction, such as "however".

Such a structure might be most effective in more informal prose,
after something like this: "I really wanted to tell her that I
thought she looked more like a used-up old white rhino than a
gravity-challenged Venus de Milo. I really really wanted to tell her
that. But I didn't. She would have flattened me then and there."

Signature

Franke: EFL teacher & medical editor
Native speaker of American English; posting from Taiwan.
"If you are still not convinced of the a.s-brain connection, finish
this sentence: 'It is easier to think after I … (a) get a haircut    
(b) take a dump'." Scott Adams, The Dilbert Blog, 12 Jan 2007;  
http://dilbertblog.typepad.com/
teranews now charges a one-time US$3.95 setup fee

--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

Robert Lieblich - 14 Jan 2007 17:00 GMT
> Hi. I was recently told by someone on this site that sentences should
> never be begun with 'but'; that only clauses should be so begun. That
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> be applied. If so, I should like to be furnished with examples. Thanks
> in advance for any replies.

There is nothing wrong with beginning a sentence with "but" or, for
that matter, "and" or any other coordinating conjunction.  But don't
just take my word for it; here's one comment online from a reputable
authority:

"To start a sentence with but is Standard English, and it is often
very effective if used sparingly and if not set off with a comma when
it simply introduces an independent clause, as in 'But this reasoning
will not stand up.'"  <http://www.bartleby.com/68/55/1055.html>.

And here's another:

"The rule against beginning a sentence with a conjunction is an old
and pervasive one, and most people remember having been taught it in
grade school. But very few usage writers have recommended avoiding the
practice; most seem to think that it's fine, for effect, as long as
it's not overdone. H.W. Fowler goes so far as to call the rule an
'ungrammatical piece of nonsense.'"
<http://www.randomhouse.com/wotd/index.pperl?date=19961105>.

It's pretty clear how Fowler feels, innit?  But it appears you missed
a similar comment in the New "Fowler," edited by Burchfield and
commonly referred to as "Fowler III."  It's not online, but I have a
copy, and here's an excerpt from "but (2)":  "The widespread belief
that 'but' should not be used at the beginning of a sentence seems to
be unshakeable.  Yet it has no foundation."  Not much equivocation
there.  Note also the sentence-starting "yet" in that passage.  It's
another instance of starting a sentence with a coordinating
conjunction.  MWDEU (also, sadly, not online) calls the belief "part
of the folklore of usage."

In short, there's no such rule.  It's a superstition with no basis in
logic, history, or practice.  Ignore it.  If anyone other than a
teacher or a supervisor attempts to get you to follow such a "rule,"
ignore them.  If anyone posts to this group arguing for the "rule" (as
you indicate has happened), ignore them too.

As for examples, they're everywhere.  Just watch for them.  You'll
soon lose track of how many you've seen.

> By the bye, sorry for the duplicate post on the last topic I posted( Is
> 'did you watch it yet?' o.k?).

No worries.  We all get betrayed by our software at times (when we
aren't being betrayed by our hardware.)

Signature

Bob Lieblich
And I meant every word of it

Robert Bannister - 14 Jan 2007 23:21 GMT
> In short, there's no such rule.  It's a superstition with no basis in
> logic, history, or practice.  Ignore it.  If anyone other than a
> teacher or a supervisor attempts to get you to follow such a "rule,"
> ignore them.  If anyone posts to this group arguing for the "rule" (as
> you indicate has happened), ignore them too.

Of course it's not a rule, although I imagine many of us were taught
otherwise in primary school. Still, all the examples you quoted do
mention that it should not be over-used. If I were teaching kids
English, I would simply tell them to think twice before doing it and to
ask themselves whether it were really necessary; then to go ahead and do it.

I have a horrible feeling that some teacher told us not to begin
sentences with "because" or "although". She would probably have had a
fit if we had tried "and".

Signature

Rob Bannister

Eric Schwartz - 17 Jan 2007 20:26 GMT
> Of course it's not a rule, although I imagine many of us were taught
> otherwise in primary school. Still, all the examples you quoted do
> mention that it should not be over-used. If I were teaching kids
> English, I would simply tell them to think twice before doing it and
> to ask themselves whether it were really necessary; then to go ahead
> and do it.

If I were teaching them, I'd pass on advice I got from Connie Willis
(I can't remember who she got it from, but I'm sure someone here
will): if there is any sentence in your writing that you are
particularly in love with, delete it.  And if that sentence happens to
begin with "and" or "but", then cut it.  I have extended this to mean
any style I am particularly fond of should go, which for me means
anything with parenthetical statements or semicolons.

That's only for formal writing of course; on Usenet-- nay, the
Internet in general-- I don't feel particularly bound by them.

> I have a horrible feeling that some teacher told us not to begin
> sentences with "because" or "although". She would probably have had a
> fit if we had tried "and".

Because you'd write them badly, or what?  Although, I can understand
her point-- it's an easy thing to overuse or misuse entirely.

-=Eric
Robert Lieblich - 17 Jan 2007 23:54 GMT
[ ... ]

> > I have a horrible feeling that some teacher told us not to begin
> > sentences with "because" or "although". She would probably have had a
> > fit if we had tried "and".
>
> Because you'd write them badly, or what?  Although, I can understand
> her point-- it's an easy thing to overuse or misuse entirely.

Forbidding a given usage because it is subject to potential overuse is
like forbidding the consumption of food because if you overeat it
could kill you.

Short version: Never say never.

Signature

Bob Lieblich
Well, hardly ever

Robert Bannister - 18 Jan 2007 22:08 GMT
> [ ... ]
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Short version: Never say never.

Hmm... I do think it's reasonable (certainly easier) to give young
children fairly black and white rules, so long as these rules are
modified as the children mature. I fear it's the latter part that so
rarely happens, and it seems some people retain the rigid rules they
learnt when they were 5 or 6 for the rest of their lives.

Signature

Rob Bannister

Lars Eighner - 14 Jan 2007 17:48 GMT
> Hi. I was recently told by someone on this site that sentences should
> never be begun with 'but'; that only clauses should be so begun.

This is not a rule of English grammar, but is an issue of style upon which
competent authorities may disagree.  Frequent use of conjunction to begin
sentences creates a breathless tone, suggesting a speaker who fears being
interrupted.  Frequent use of "but" and its near synonyms such as "on the
other hand," "however," and so forth, suggests poor organization.  If, for
example, there are many pros and cons, it may be better to take up all the
pros together and all the cons together.

> That is to say: You can't have 'but' succeeding a period but only a
> semicolon. I couldn't find this in any manuals on English usage and style
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> other reasons than merely that it appears at the beginning of a sentence.
> Is this a hard and fast rule or merely a style guideline?

It is merely a style guideline.

> Also,perhaps,there are cases to which this rule ought not to be applied.
> If so, I should like to be furnished with examples. Thanks in advance for
> any replies.

In the most formal contexts, it would be better to follow the rule.
Objections will seldom be encountered in popular writing.

Signature

Lars Eighner     <http://larseighner.com/>     <http://myspace.com/larseighner>
        An effective way to deal with predators is to taste terrible.

Robert Lieblich - 14 Jan 2007 19:27 GMT
> > Hi. I was recently told by someone on this site that sentences should
> > never be begun with 'but'; that only clauses should be so begun.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> example, there are many pros and cons, it may be better to take up all the
> pros together and all the cons together.

[ ... ]

> In the most formal contexts, it would be better to follow the rule.
> Objections will seldom be encountered in popular writing.

So the actual situation is that there's nothing wrong with using "but"
at the beginning of sentences as long as you don't overdo it --
right?   But the OP asked abouut a rule saying that "but" should
*never* be used at the beginning of a sentence.  I hope he isn't
confused by your statement that "it would be better fo follow the
rule."  Surely that's not the rule you mean.

Signature

Bob Lieblich
Shirley

Garrett Wollman - 14 Jan 2007 22:08 GMT
>But the OP asked abouut a rule saying that "but" should *never* be
>used at the beginning of a sentence.

Another reason to find this absolute rule silly is that "but" is not
always used as a conjunction; it is also a synonym for "except", and
no authority that I've ever heard of claims that one must never begin
a sentence with "except".

-GAWollman

Signature

Garrett A. Wollman   | The real tragedy of human existence is not that we are
wollman@csail.mit.edu| nasty by nature, but that a cruel structural asymmetry
Opinions not those   | grants to rare events of meanness such power to shape
of MIT or CSAIL.     | our history. - S.J. Gould, Ten Thousand Acts of Kindness

Don Phillipson - 14 Jan 2007 22:23 GMT
> So the actual situation is that there's nothing wrong with using "but"
> at the beginning of sentences as long as you don't overdo it --
> right?   But the OP asked abouut a rule saying that "but" should
> *never* be used at the beginning of a sentence.  I hope he isn't
> confused by your statement that "it would be better fo follow the
> rule."  Surely that's not the rule you mean.

The OP's request for advice (or a rule) has not been
clarified by citing by a century's debate on this point
in quest of a universal or authoritative rule.  Agreeing
that there is (now) no such rule does not help the OP.
I think it would help him to be advised never to begin
a sentence with a conjunction except for a specific
and pre-planned purpose.  (The OP is not intrinsically
interested in the debate.  He simply wants to write
English that will be read by anyone with maximum
fluency and enjoyment.  This means avoidance of
restarting the debate in the minds of those readers
sensitive to this particular point.)

Signature

Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)

Robert Bannister - 14 Jan 2007 23:27 GMT
> This is not a rule of English grammar, but is an issue of style upon which
> competent authorities may disagree.  Frequent use of conjunction to begin
> sentences creates a breathless tone, suggesting a speaker who fears being
> interrupted.

I'm not convinced about that last part. The Bible, at least the King
James version, begins a huge number of sentences with "and". To me, this
gives a folksy, story-telling flavour rather than breathlessness. A sort
of "Just So" stories flavour.
Signature

Rob Bannister

Don Aitken - 15 Jan 2007 00:16 GMT
>> This is not a rule of English grammar, but is an issue of style upon which
>> competent authorities may disagree.  Frequent use of conjunction to begin
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>gives a folksy, story-telling flavour rather than breathlessness. A sort
>of "Just So" stories flavour.

Although in William Hope Hodgson's "The Night Land", in which every
sentence begins with "And", except for those which begin with "Then"
or "But" or "Yet", it produces, along with his other grammatical
perversities, a kind of hallucinatory effect for those who can get
into it (which not everybody can). The book was written in 1912, and
is online somewhere. That wasn't the only way Hodgeson could write;
his other books are in comparatively normal prose.

Signature

Don Aitken
Mail to the From: address is not read.
To email me, substitute "clara.co.uk" for "freeuk.com"

Robin Bignall - 15 Jan 2007 23:19 GMT
>>> This is not a rule of English grammar, but is an issue of style upon which
>>> competent authorities may disagree.  Frequent use of conjunction to begin
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>is online somewhere. That wasn't the only way Hodgeson could write;
>his other books are in comparatively normal prose.

Here's a link to "The Night Land":

http://eserver.org/fiction/nightland/default.html
Signature

Robin
Herts, England

Robert Lieblich - 15 Jan 2007 01:44 GMT
> > This is not a rule of English grammar, but is an issue of style upon which
> > competent authorities may disagree.  Frequent use of conjunction to begin
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> gives a folksy, story-telling flavour rather than breathlessness. A sort
> of "Just So" stories flavour.

Most of those "and"s are direct translations from the Hebrew, where
the letter vav can be used as a prefix that is ordinarily translated
"and."  I believe that scholars of biblical Hebrew are less than
pleased with that translation, but it's common if not standard in
translations of the Hebrew scriptures.

Once again, the Jews get the blame.

Signature

Bob Lieblich
Anyone need a smiley?

Cece - 15 Jan 2007 22:22 GMT
Robert Lieblich ha escrito:

> > > This is not a rule of English grammar, but is an issue of style upon which
> > > competent authorities may disagree.  Frequent use of conjunction to begin
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> Bob Lieblich
> Anyone need a smiley?

One of William Safire's Fumble Rules: "And don't start a sentence
with a conjunction."  Another is "Remember to never split an
infinitive."  IIRC, Bernstein said much the same.

Cece
Robert Lieblich - 16 Jan 2007 02:19 GMT
[ ... ]

> One of William Safire's Fumble Rules:

One word: Fumblerules.

>: "And don't start a sentence
> with a conjunction."  Another is "Remember to never split an
> infinitive."  IIRC, Bernstein said much the same.

Magnificent ambiguity, Cece.  Ideally designed to confuse the NNES.

Safire was of course poking fun at the "rules" he set forth.  So are
you telling us that Bernstein shared Safire's attitude or that he
seriously said what Safire was saying in jest?  I hope it's the
former, because Bernstein certainly never said such things in
seriousness.  Like any rational commentator on English usage, he
regarded the "rules" on the split infinitive and starting a sentence
with a conjunction as little more than superstitions.

Just to make sure I wasn't blowing smoke, I dug out my paperback
edition of *The Careful Write* for a bit of checking.  The book
doesn't have an article on the use of "and" or "but" to begin a
sentence, but if you read if for very long you catch Bernstein using
them that way.  Surely he wouldn't do that if he observed the "rule"
against it.  As for the split infinitive, here's how his article on
that topic starts: "There is nothing wrong with splitting an
infinitive."  He backtracks somewhat from that, but his conclusion is
(my paraphrase): If it's useful and it sounds good, go ahead.

That ought to do it.

Signature

Bob Lieblich
And his Magic Usage Library

 
Sign In
Join
My Latest Posts
My Monitored Threads
My Blog
My Photo Gallery
My Profile
My Homepage

Start New Thread
Enable EMail Alerts
Rate this Thread



©2012 Advenet LLC   Privacy Policy - Terms of Use
This website includes both content owned or controlled by Advenet as well as content owned or controlled by third parties.