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Discussion Groups / English Usage / January 2007Hi! It's Daniel McGovende...
Hello AUEers. I recently created a Google Groups account and I am using it right now to post this message. It's nice to be able to post through Google, but I suppose I'm going to have to learn about how the system works since I don't really know much. Govende! - Daniel McGrath (the Rubaiyatista) [...] You mean 29 govendes got there before you?  SignatureArchie Valparaiso > [...] > > You mean 29 govendes got there before you? > > -- > Archie Valparaiso Google Groups killfile addon for Firefox: http://www.penney.org/ggkiller.html > Google Groups killfile addon for Firefox: > > http://www.penney.org/ggkiller.html You had me excited there for a minute, but then I discovered that it was a tool for use by GG users, rather than a tool for the rest of us to kill postings by all GG users. There used to be something similar to delete all AOL postings, but I would no longer know where to find it. For all its other versions, Thunderbird has only a very primitive killfile facility. You can kill certain people or certain subjects, but you can't, for example, kill everything that's been crossposted to more than three groups. There is no "score" concept as found in the better newsreaders, and most of the header lines are simply inaccessible to the killfile filters. It looks like something that has just been thrown together as a workaround while waiting for a proper killfile implementation, but it's been a long wait. If only I had the time I'd put in a preprocessor to do the killfiling, to compensate for the limitations of the newsreader. Even a wildcard string match would be a big improvement. SignaturePeter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org Please note the changed e-mail and web addresses. The domain eepjm.newcastle.edu.au no longer exists, and I can no longer receive mail at my newcastle.edu.au addresses. The optusnet address could disappear at any time. > For all its other versions, Thunderbird has only a very primitive > killfile facility. "Virtues". My spelling checker - which should catch this sort of error, even though the computer-based ones don't - appears to have been sleeping on the job. SignaturePeter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org Please note the changed e-mail and web addresses. The domain eepjm.newcastle.edu.au no longer exists, and I can no longer receive mail at my newcastle.edu.au addresses. The optusnet address could disappear at any time. Peter Moylan (or somebody else of the same name) wrote thusly in message <45b073c4$0$5745$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>: >> For all its other versions, Thunderbird has only a very primitive >> killfile facility. > > "Virtues". My spelling checker - which should catch this sort of error, > even though the computer-based ones don't - appears to have been > sleeping on the job. It's difficult for any spill chucker to know whether you have used the wrong worm or not. SignatureTerms and conditions apply. Batteries not included. Subject to status. Contains moderate language. Always read the label. Keep out of children. Interchange the alphabetic letter groups to reply > Peter Moylan (or somebody else of the same name) wrote thusly in > message <45b073c4$0$5745$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > It's difficult for any spill chucker to know whether you have used > the wrong worm or not. The wetware one in my head works a whole lot better than any of those primitive software ones. It takes context into account. SignaturePeter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org Please note the changed e-mail and web addresses. The domain eepjm.newcastle.edu.au no longer exists, and I can no longer receive mail at my newcastle.edu.au addresses. The optusnet address could disappear at any time. > > Google Groups killfile addon for Firefox: > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > to delete all AOL postings, but I would no longer know where to find > it. It really depends on your newsreader and its capabilities. It would be snap for me, as I can filter by anything in the header. All I would need to do is block: User-Agent: G2/1.0 Now, I don't do that because there are lots of good people who post through GG for one reason or another. Brian SignatureIf televison's a babysitter, the Internet is a drunk librarian who won't shut up. -- Dorothy Gambrell (http://catandgirl.com) > Now, I don't do that because there are lots of good people who post > through GG for one reason or another. Many workplaces have IT policies that won't let you install a tradition news client, so posting from work during breaks, natch, is made easier by GG. My ISP has a free news server, but its retention is only about 3-5 days, and its performance can be patchy. > > Now, I don't do that because there are lots of good people who post > > through GG for one reason or another. > > Many workplaces have IT policies that won't let you install a > tradition news client, so posting from work during breaks, natch, is > made easier by GG. Many just block the port. > My ISP has a free news server, but its retention is only about 3-5 > days, and its performance can be patchy. I've been pretty happy with news.individual.net. It's reliable and has good retention, although text groups only, and the price is quite reasonable at 10 Euro per year. Brian SignatureIf televison's a babysitter, the Internet is a drunk librarian who won't shut up. -- Dorothy Gambrell (http://catandgirl.com) The Peter Moylan entity posted thusly: >> Google Groups killfile addon for Firefox: >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >limitations of the newsreader. Even a wildcard string match would be a >big improvement. Have a look at NewsProxy, by Mark Burkley. I'm not sure if it works with Thunderbird, but it probably does. It positions itself between localhost and your news server; your newsreader speaks to localhost. It has extensive rules, including much of what you are looking for (scores, crosspost stuff, etc.), and allows you to do a number of different things with the detected crap. You can mark it, change subject line, throw it away, and so on. Additionally, there are a number of folks supplying extensive filter files for use with it. I use (as a base), the one from Doug Miller. It's called Trollfilter.dat, and can be obtained via an email autoresponder at 'filterinfo-at-milmac-dot-com' If you want to read what Doug has to say about his filter file, try a Google groups search for "trollfilter newsproxy", and limit the search to 'rec.woodworking'. > The Peter Moylan entity posted thusly: >> For all its other versions, Thunderbird has only a very primitive >> killfile facility. You can kill certain people or certain subjects, [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > with Thunderbird, but it probably does. It positions itself between > localhost and your news server; your newsreader speaks to localhost. Thanks. I've just done a quick web search, and it appears to be a genuine proxy server, so it should work with any newsreader at all. I've been putting off installing Perl on my computer, but perhaps this will be the trigger than makes me do it. SignaturePeter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org Please note the changed e-mail and web addresses. The domain eepjm.newcastle.edu.au no longer exists, and I can no longer receive mail at my newcastle.edu.au addresses. The optusnet address could disappear at any time. The Peter Moylan entity posted thusly: >> The Peter Moylan entity posted thusly: > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >been putting off installing Perl on my computer, but perhaps this will >be the trigger than makes me do it. Hmm... I don't know if I have installed perl on my system (it wasn't knowingly, if I did). The .exe file shows in Filealyzer as "NewsProxy MFC Application" We may be talking about different programs. From http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/P_INTERNET.php, I get pointed to ftp://ftp.zedz.net/incoming/ and the "NewsProxy_1.2.4.txt" file points me to nps-124-src.zip (enclosed in NewsProxy_1.2.4.zip), containing the source, and it's in MS Visual C++. I am running Version 1.2.0, and have been happy with it. There is also NFilter, by the same author, but I haven't researched it. > The Peter Moylan entity posted thusly: >> Thanks. I've just done a quick web search, and it appears to be a >> genuine proxy server, so it should work with any newsreader at all. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > We may be talking about different programs. I did notice on the web site that an MS-Windows implementation was also available. It's relatively common for software to have a separate release for Windows, which might or might not be equivalent to what's available for other operating systems. It's also very common for Windows software to be packaged in such a way that you can't tell what's being installed. If you previously had a better implementation of Perl installed, there's every chance that it's been overwritten by now. That's why installers for other operating systems tend to be a little less automatic, and warn you along the way of possible conflicts. For a long time Windows users had to put up with the risk that installing a new application could stop a whole lot of existing applications from working. That's less of a problem now that new versions of Windows keep system files separate from user files. Even so, I've seen cases, when installing stuff on my daughter's computer (XP Pro), where installing one application also installs something else without telling you until it's too late; by which time something that worked very well has been uninstalled and replaced with a competitor's inferior product that's supposed to do a similar job. Bad software drives out good, which I gather is one of the rules of economics. One recent example of dirty tricks was that my daughter's computer, bought from Dell, had a Dell "Network analysis and repair assistant" installed by default. It seemed to be a relatively harmless program, except for its habit of occasionally preventing wireless networking from working. What they didn't tell us was that this was a 90-day free trial, and after the 90 days were up a message came up on every boot saying that Dell required some money to keep this useless piece of software. Fair enough, I thought, and looked for the "disable" option in the program's menu. Surprise! The option to disable was greyed out, and I was informed that in order to disable or deinstall this program I would first have to pay for it. Luckily I knew which files to delete in order to kill the beast, but a non-expert would have been fooled by the messages that the files in question were non-deletable. SignaturePeter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org Please note the changed e-mail and web addresses. The domain eepjm.newcastle.edu.au no longer exists, and I can no longer receive mail at my newcastle.edu.au addresses. The optusnet address could disappear at any time. >You had me excited there for a minute, but then I discovered that it was >a tool for use by GG users, rather than a tool for the rest of us to [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >limitations of the newsreader. Even a wildcard string match would be a >big improvement. Try interpreting this with the vocabulary of a hundred years ago... I'm trying to visualise a wildcard string match: probably a shredded tangle for firing matchlocks in a hurricane. SignaturePaul In bocca al Lupo! > Hello AUEers. I recently created a Google Groups account and I am > using it right now to post this message. *plonk* Brian SignatureIf televison's a babysitter, the Internet is a drunk librarian who won't shut up. -- Dorothy Gambrell (http://catandgirl.com) govende30@hotmail.com (or somebody else of the same name) wrote thusly in message <1169139341.801348.208880@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>: > Hello AUEers. I recently created a Google Groups account and I am > using it right now to post this message. It's nice to be able to post [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > - Daniel McGrath > (the Rubaiyatista) Hi there. This is a *rare* pleasure :) SignatureTerms and conditions apply. Batteries not included. Subject to status. Contains moderate language. Always read the label. Keep out of children. Interchange the alphabetic letter groups to reply |
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