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John Kane - 22 Jan 2007 14:59 GMT
I heard a couple of interesting reports on the radio this morning.

1. The Chinese military unveiled a new fighter plane after ten years
thanks to Russian help.

Just what did the Russians do?

2. A couple [dairy farmers] near Brockville are producing raw milk.
{Rest of report discussed the legality of selling raw versus processed
(pasteurized) milk which is currently illegal here}.

I wonder if anyone has used genetic modification to produce a high
temperature cow that can produce pasteurized milk or if the reporter
did not realise that all cows produce raw milk?

John Kane, Kingston ON Canada
jerry_friedman@yahoo.com - 22 Jan 2007 17:53 GMT
> I heard a couple of interesting reports on the radio this morning.
>
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> {Rest of report discussed the legality of selling raw versus processed
> (pasteurized) milk which is currently illegal here}.
...

Which one's illegal?  (Yes, I know.)

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the Omrud - 22 Jan 2007 18:15 GMT
jrkrideau@gmail.com had it:

> I heard a couple of interesting reports on the radio this morning.
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> temperature cow that can produce pasteurized milk or if the reporter
> did not realise that all cows produce raw milk?

If the dairy farmers are both producing the milk, they are presumably
a lesbian couple.

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John Kane - 22 Jan 2007 22:22 GMT
> jrkrideau@gmail.com had it:
>
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> If the dairy farmers are both producing the milk, they are presumably
> a lesbian couple.

Well that interpretation had occurred to me but I thought that it was a
bit far-fetched.  Besides I grew up on a dairy farm a few kilometres
from Brockville so the context was clear.

John Kane, Kingston ON Canada
the Omrud - 22 Jan 2007 22:38 GMT
jrkrideau@gmail.com had it:

> > jrkrideau@gmail.com had it:
> >
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> bit far-fetched.  Besides I grew up on a dairy farm a few kilometres
> from Brockville so the context was clear.

Quite, but it was a serious point.  If the production of the milk is
done by the farmers, then it's the finished product which is referred
to.  The cow "produces" raw milk.  The farmers can "produce" raw
milk, pasteurised milk or cheese.  It's a different meaning of
"produce".

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Default User - 22 Jan 2007 23:08 GMT
> jrkrideau@gmail.com had it:
>
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
> milk, pasteurised milk or cheese.  It's a different meaning of
> "produce".

Exactly. As I pointed out, cows weren't mentioned at all, only the
dairy farmers. So one has to look to see what definition of "produce"
make sense in the given context. Aside from the mention of human
lactation, we have to look for "production" besides that of the cows.

Brian

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Roland Hutchinson - 23 Jan 2007 03:02 GMT
> Quite, but it was a serious point.  If the production of the milk is
> done by the farmers, then it's the finished product which is referred
> to.  The cow "produces" raw milk.  The farmers can "produce" raw
> milk, pasteurised milk or cheese.  It's a different meaning of
> "produce".

Just so.  The cow gives us milk.  The farmer charges us for it.

This is the way of the world, and perhaps rightly so.

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Evan Kirshenbaum - 23 Jan 2007 03:23 GMT
>> Quite, but it was a serious point.  If the production of the milk
>> is done by the farmers, then it's the finished product which is
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> This is the way of the world, and perhaps rightly so.

The alternative, presumably, being that the farmer charges the cow for
room and board.  Personally, I've never seen a cow give milk to
anybody.

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Roland Hutchinson - 23 Jan 2007 03:35 GMT
>>> Quite, but it was a serious point.  If the production of the milk
>>> is done by the farmers, then it's the finished product which is
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> The alternative, presumably, being that the farmer charges the cow for
> room and board.  

You've been reading the Libertarian newsgroups again, haven't you?

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Mike Lyle - 23 Jan 2007 12:52 GMT
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>> Just so.  The cow gives us milk.  The farmer charges us for it.
>>
>> This is the way of the world, and perhaps rightly so.
>
> The alternative, presumably, being that the farmer charges the cow for
> room and board.

Well, to be serious, farmers aren't cruel people, but dairy cows can pay
a heavy price for their jobs. It doesn't necessarily make a big
difference, but I always try to buy organic or "welfare" dairy products.

> Personally, I've never seen a cow give milk to
> anybody.

They queue up to give it away, and soon complain if milking's late!

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Default User - 22 Jan 2007 19:09 GMT
> I heard a couple of interesting reports on the radio this morning.

> 2. A couple [dairy farmers] near Brockville are producing raw milk.
> {Rest of report discussed the legality of selling raw versus processed
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> temperature cow that can produce pasteurized milk or if the reporter
> did not realise that all cows produce raw milk?

Where are cows mentioned in the paragraph?

Brian

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John Kane - 22 Jan 2007 22:20 GMT
> > I heard a couple of interesting reports on the radio this morning.
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Where are cows mentioned in the paragraph?

Strangely enough, most dairy farms in Canada have cows. [1]

May I assume that you grew up in a large urban environment?

John Kane, Kingston ON Canada

Goats and sheep farms are much less common.
Default User - 22 Jan 2007 22:36 GMT
> > > I heard a couple of interesting reports on the radio this morning.
> >
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Strangely enough, most dairy farms in Canada have cows. [1]

I didn't ask about cows on farms, I asked where they were mentioned in
the paragraph.

> May I assume that you grew up in a large urban environment?

My mother was a farm girl.

Brian

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Richard Bollard - 24 Jan 2007 22:48 GMT
>I heard a couple of interesting reports on the radio this morning.
>
>1. The Chinese military unveiled a new fighter plane after ten years
>thanks to Russian help.

First they gave thanks for ten years then they took the plane's veil
off.

>Just what did the Russians do?

They did nothing. Just got thanked for a very long time.

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