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are commas needed?

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keithbc - 23 Jan 2007 20:22 GMT
I have just read the end sentence which states:

'Your thoughtful leadership is as always greatly appreciated.'

It seems to me that there should be a comma after 'is' and after
'always'. Writing seems to omit this from my reading of late. Lazy
journalism?

Please advise.
mike.j.harvey@gmail.com - 23 Jan 2007 20:38 GMT
> I have just read the end sentence which states:
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> 'always'. Writing seems to omit this from my reading of late. Lazy
> journalism?

Ah the parenthetical comma! Parentheses or dashes are possible also, I
think.
Skitt - 23 Jan 2007 20:45 GMT
> I have just read the end sentence which states:
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Please advise.

I would have put them there, but I tend to be commatose.  Often I am right,
though.
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Robert Lieblich - 24 Jan 2007 00:02 GMT
> > I have just read the end sentence which states:
> >
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> I would have put them there, but I tend to be commatose.  Often I am right,
> though.

I'm with Skitt.  I'd add that use of the commas is, I would say,
indisputably <litotes alert> not incorrect.  At worst you'll encounter
a stylistic objection.  But there are many who will consider omission
of the commas *wrong*.[1]

In short, you won't go wrong if you use the commas.

[1]  Ask Mark Wallace about the asterisks.

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jinhyun - 24 Jan 2007 08:18 GMT
Hi. I read somewhere(on a style manual) that commas to mark off such
expressions as 'however', 'as always'  etc must be used only when you
want to emphasize the qualification to the main clause introduced by
these words or phrases and not otherwise.
Keeping this distinction alive(if it's recognised at all) seems to be
to the language's advantage. I'd appreciate comments.
Archie Valparaiso - 23 Jan 2007 21:06 GMT
>I have just read the end sentence which states:
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>Please advise.

It's a similar story with most common two-or-three-word parentheticals
-- "so to speak", "of course" and so on.

I don't care for it much either.

   

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Hairy Lethal - 24 Jan 2007 17:17 GMT
> I have just read the end sentence which states:
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> 'always'. Writing seems to omit this from my reading of late. Lazy
> journalism?

It is rarely wrong to add commas, because, they tend to break the text up,
into bite-sized chunks, making it easier to digest, even if grammatically
wrong.
R H Draney - 24 Jan 2007 20:00 GMT
spellin mistaik filted:

>> I have just read the end sentence which states:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>into bite-sized chunks, making it easier to digest, even if grammatically
>wrong.

I am pleased to, see that someone, has finally brought some, sense to this
topic....r

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Mark Brader - 24 Jan 2007 22:02 GMT
Harry Lethall:
> It is rarely wrong to add commas, because, they tend to break the text up,
> into bite-sized chunks, making it easier to digest, even if grammatically
> wrong.

That's laying it on a bit thick.  The ungrammatical comma after "because"
does not make the sentence easier to read.
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