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Algun Desconocido - 25 Jan 2007 13:30 GMT
During the many years I've been intermittently following
alt.usage.english, I've occasionally seen the word 'sheep'
used in ways that seemed to be more-or-less-veiled allusions
to abnormal sexual practices.  Whether or not my inference
is correct, I wonder if AUE regulars would find a discussion
of gay sheep in today's Times (New York) significant.  See
http://preview.tinyurl.com/yw6gcd .
cybercypher - 25 Jan 2007 13:42 GMT
> During the many years I've been intermittently following
> alt.usage.english, I've occasionally seen the word 'sheep'
> used in ways that seemed to be more-or-less-veiled allusions
> to abnormal sexual practices.

We usually don't veil our comments about sheep-f.ckers; we come right
out and say it. Only the squeamish and sheepish use asterisks and
oblique references to beastiality, but they aren't what we refer to
as RRs (respected regulars) here.

> Whether or not my inference
> is correct, I wonder if AUE regulars would find a discussion
> of gay sheep in today's Times (New York) significant.  See
> http://preview.tinyurl.com/yw6gcd .

I thinnk it's significant, but not because it's about sheep or
homosexuality. It's significant because of the way fanatic
ideologues (PETA, for example: "PETA began an e-mail campaign that
the universities say resulted in 20,000 protests, some with language
like 'you are a worthless animal killer and you should be shot,' 'I
hope you burn in hell' and 'please, die.'") twist the meanings of
words, and because it provides concrete evidence that language and
language usage matters. It's too bad that it also provides evidence
of the willingness of ignorant idiots to rant and rave about topics
they do not understand and about which they are defensive at best
and paranoid at worst:

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"The news media storm reached its zenith last month, when The Sunday
Times in London published an article under the headline 'Science
Told: Hands Off Gay Sheep.' It asserted, incorrectly, that Dr.
Roselli had worked successfully to 'cure' homosexual rams with
hormone treatments, and added that 'critics fear' that the research
'could pave the way for breeding out homosexuality in humans.'

"Martina Navratilova, the tennis star who is both openly gay and a
PETA ally, wrote in an open letter that the research 'can only be
surmised as an attempt to develop a prenatal treatment' for sexual
conditions.
...
"'The more we play God or try to improve on Mother Nature, the more
damage we are doing with all kinds of experiments that either have
already turned or will turn into nightmares,' she [Navratilova] wrote
in an e-mail reply to a reporter’s query. 'How in the world could
straight or gay sheep help humanity?'

"In an interview, Shalin Gala, a PETA representative working on the
sheep campaign, said controlling or altering sexual orientation was a
'natural implication' of the work of Dr. Roselli and his colleagues.
Mr. Gala, who asked that he be identified as openly gay, cited the
news release for a 2004 paper in the journal Endocrinology that
showed differences in brain structure between homosexual and
heterosexual sheep.

"The release quoted Dr. Roselli as saying that the research 'also has
broader implications for understanding the development and control of
sexual motivation and mate selection across mammalian species,
including humans.'

"Mr. Newman, who wrote the release, said the word 'control' was used
in the scientific sense of understanding the body’s internal
controls, not in the sense of trying to control sexual orientation.
'It's discouraging that PETA can pick one word, try to add weight to
it or shift its meaning to suggest that you are doing something that
you clearly are not,' he said."

Copyright 2007 The New York Times Company
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HVS - 25 Jan 2007 18:13 GMT
On 25 Jan 2007, cybercypher wrote

> We usually don't veil our comments about sheep-f.ckers; we come
> right out and say it. Only the squeamish and sheepish use
> asterisks and oblique references to beastiality,

ObAue:  typo, or error?

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cybercypher - 25 Jan 2007 23:28 GMT
> On 25 Jan 2007, cybercypher wrote
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> ObAue:  typo, or error?

According to the "zoophilia" article on Wikipedia.com, "A separate
term, bestiality (more common in mainstream usage and frequently but
incorrectly seen as a synonym; often misspelled as 'beastiality')".

I checked Google and the "bestiality":"beastiality" ratio is a mere
1.2:1 (3.6 million to 3 million hits).

And, now, to the point: error, the worstiality, of course.

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Joe Fineman - 26 Jan 2007 01:28 GMT
> During the many years I've been intermittently following
> alt.usage.english, I've occasionally seen the word 'sheep' used in
> ways that seemed to be more-or-less-veiled allusions to abnormal
> sexual practices.

Variously ascribed to Mormons, rockclimbers, soldiers of the Black
Watch regiment, etc., etc.  In the Vulgarian Digest, Spring 1970, we
read

 Dear Appie:
 Is it best to approach a sheep from behind, or to roll it over and
 lay on top?
                                                           Deprived
 Dear Depraved:
 Is the sheep male or female?  And for that matter are you male or
 female?
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Matthew Huntbach - 26 Jan 2007 10:07 GMT
>> During the many years I've been intermittently following
>> alt.usage.english, I've occasionally seen the word 'sheep' used in
>> ways that seemed to be more-or-less-veiled allusions to abnormal
>> sexual practices.

> Variously ascribed to Mormons, rockclimbers, soldiers of the Black
> Watch regiment, etc., etc.

It's a standard put-down of rural people by city dwellers, the suggestion
that lacking the bright lights and opportunities of the city they must
be suffering extreme sexual frustration and so take it out in some way,
such as incest or bestiality.

Matthew Huntbach
Peter Moylan - 26 Jan 2007 12:29 GMT
>>> During the many years I've been intermittently following
>>> alt.usage.english, I've occasionally seen the word 'sheep' used
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> city they must be suffering extreme sexual frustration and so take it
>  out in some way, such as incest or bestiality.

Incest is a slightly different case. In a small community the pool of
available marriage partners is so small that the occasional marriage
between first cousins is almost inevitable. Sometimes it even happens
without the partners being aware that they are related. Of course, the
big-city jokes go further and suggest much more extreme forms of inbreeding.

An obvious advantage of bestiality is that there are fewer worries about
the genetic health of the offspring.

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Robert Bannister - 27 Jan 2007 00:40 GMT
>>> During the many years I've been intermittently following
>>> alt.usage.english, I've occasionally seen the word 'sheep' used in
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> be suffering extreme sexual frustration and so take it out in some way,
> such as incest or bestiality.

A friend of mine was a magistrate for some time in rural Wales. It is
not a city-dweller myth.

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Joe Fineman - 27 Jan 2007 01:17 GMT
> A friend of mine was a magistrate for some time in rural Wales. It
> is not a city-dweller myth.

An acquaintance of mine, during his youth in rural Pennsylvania, held
a sheep still while an acquaintance of his had his way with it.  They
were both greatly relieved when the next lamb bore no resemblance to
him.
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Pat Durkin - 27 Jan 2007 08:06 GMT
>> A friend of mine was a magistrate for some time in rural Wales. It
>> is not a city-dweller myth.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> were both greatly relieved when the next lamb bore no resemblance to
> him.

Some news story three or four years ago--a fella got caught in a pumpkin
patch, having it off with the calabazas.

I never heard any more about it, but the mystery comes to plague me in
the wee hours.  Who called the police?  Was the owner of the patch
saving those seductive melons for himself?  What is the proper season
for pumpin pumpkins?  How much does a license cost?
Maria - 27 Jan 2007 18:51 GMT
>> An acquaintance of mine, during his youth in rural Pennsylvania, held
>> a sheep still while an acquaintance of his had his way with it.  They
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> saving those seductive melons for himself?  What is the proper season
> for pumpin pumpkins?  How much does a license cost?

More to the point: How much would the pumpkin cost? If someone wants to
enjoy the sexual favors of a gourd, one ought to pay the gourd or the
gourd's, uh, pimp.

(I did enjoy your questions, though.)

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Hatunen - 27 Jan 2007 20:36 GMT
>>> An acquaintance of mine, during his youth in rural Pennsylvania, held
>>> a sheep still while an acquaintance of his had his way with it.  They
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>enjoy the sexual favors of a gourd, one ought to pay the gourd or the
>gourd's, uh, pimp.

You mean its gourdian, don't you?

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Pat Durkin - 27 Jan 2007 20:57 GMT
>>>> An acquaintance of mine, during his youth in rural Pennsylvania,
>>>> held
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>
> You mean its gourdian, don't you?

Gourd a'mighty, Charlie Brown.  Was that _you _?
cybercypher - 28 Jan 2007 05:22 GMT
> "Maria" <marian.c-b@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
> You mean its gourdian, don't you?

Something's just knot right here.

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Peter Moylan - 28 Jan 2007 01:59 GMT
>>> An acquaintance of mine, during his youth in rural Pennsylvania,
>>>  held a sheep still while an acquaintance of his had his way with
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> (I did enjoy your questions, though.)

If it comes to that, why not buy one - pumpkins are cheap - and take it
home? Maybe that's ruled out if you have a thing about virginity, or if
part of the thrill is the risk of getting caught.

Once upon a time I read an entire long article about sex with
vegetables. Apparently potatoes score very highly, but you have to be
very finicky about whittling out a hole of the correct size. Melons are
disappointing; too squishy, especially on a second encounter. For women,
it's important to trim your vegetables so that they have rounded ends.

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Oleg Lego - 28 Jan 2007 02:52 GMT
The Peter Moylan entity posted thusly:

>>>> An acquaintance of mine, during his youth in rural Pennsylvania,
>>>>  held a sheep still while an acquaintance of his had his way with
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
>disappointing; too squishy, especially on a second encounter. For women,
>it's important to trim your vegetables so that they have rounded ends.

Gives me a whole new perspective on kumquats.
R H Draney - 28 Jan 2007 07:26 GMT
Peter Moylan filted:

>Once upon a time I read an entire long article about sex with
>vegetables. Apparently potatoes score very highly, but you have to be
>very finicky about whittling out a hole of the correct size. Melons are
>disappointing; too squishy, especially on a second encounter. For women,
>it's important to trim your vegetables so that they have rounded ends.

Proposed: that no person of either sex has, at any time in recorded history,
tried to have sex with a lima bean....r

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LaReina del Perros - 27 Jan 2007 21:43 GMT
>Some news story three or four years ago--a fella got caught in a pumpkin
>patch, having it off with the calabazas.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>saving those seductive melons for himself?  What is the proper season
>for pumpin pumpkins?  How much does a license cost?

All I can think of is how I discovered when we grew pumpkins in our
backyard last year that all parts of the plant, including the fruit,
are covered with little stickers. Had to wear thick gloves to handle
them if I wanted to avoid pain.
Mark Brader - 27 Jan 2007 23:42 GMT
> All I can think of is how I discovered when we grew pumpkins in our
> backyard last year that all parts of the plant, including the fruit,
> are covered with little stickers.

What, how many labels does the manufacturer need to put on them?

> Had to wear thick gloves to handle them if I wanted to avoid pain.

Oh, *that* kind of sticker!

Maybe the manufacturer should have to put on a warning sticker so
you'd know you need to do that.
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Hatunen - 28 Jan 2007 19:05 GMT
>> All I can think of is how I discovered when we grew pumpkins in our
>> backyard last year that all parts of the plant, including the fruit,
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>Maybe the manufacturer should have to put on a warning sticker so
>you'd know you need to do that.

Where would the manufacturer put it?

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Skitt - 28 Jan 2007 20:07 GMT

>>> All I can think of is how I discovered when we grew pumpkins in our
>>> backyard last year that all parts of the plant, including the fruit,
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Where would the manufacturer put it?

On one of the stickers, of course.
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