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Discussion Groups / English Usage / January 2007Need example of an object whose outer form is derived from an a rigid inner structure
Hello - Can anyone please give me an example of an *everyday* object, whose outer form derives a from hard inner structure. The only examples I've been able to come up with are, a Crinoline (see http://www.project-insomnia.com/colleen/costumes/hoopinprogress.jpg ) and a Zepplin (see http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3a/LTA8G10_by_centennialofflight -gov.jpg ). Unfortunately, neither is an everyday object. Many thanks, - Olumide Olumide (or somebody else of the same name) wrote thusly in message <1169836948.489359.64740@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>: > Hello - > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > http://www.project-insomnia.com/colleen/costumes/hoopinprogress.jpg ) > and a Zepplin (see http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3a/LTA8G10_by_centennialofflight -gov.jpg > ). Unfortunately, neither is an everyday object. Any fruit with a stone, e.g. peach, apricot, cherry.  SignatureTerms and conditions apply. Batteries not included. Subject to status. Contains moderate language. Always read the label. Keep out of children. Interchange the alphabetic letter groups to reply > Olumide (or somebody else of the same name) wrote thusly in message > <1169836948.489359.64740@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > outer form derives a from hard inner structure. The only examples I've > > been able to come up with are, a Crinoline (see http://www.project-insomnia.com/colleen/costumes/hoopinprogress.jpg ) > > and a Zepplin (see http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3a/LTA8G10_by_centennialofflight -gov.jpg > > ). Unfortunately, neither is an everyday object. > > Any fruit with a stone, e.g. peach, apricot, cherry. And, as Ray says, the bodies of vertebrates. Nearer to your examples, though, are frame tents, tipis, umbrellas, soft tops on cars, lampshades, and pram hoods. SignatureMike. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > > Any fruit with a stone, e.g. peach, apricot, cherry.And, as Ray says, the bodies of vertebrates. Nearer to your examples, > though, are frame tents, tipis, umbrellas, soft tops on cars, > lampshades, and pram hoods. A lampshade, umbrella, or tent, ... perfect :-) . Thanks > Hello - > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Many thanks, The human body. SignatureRay UK -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 1219 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now! I just thought of another: a Chinese lantern, but that may not be "everyday enough". I wonder of there's a better example. (I'm sorry I'm being so finicky.) >I just thought of another: a Chinese lantern, but that may not be > "everyday enough". I wonder of there's a better example. (I'm sorry > I'm > being so finicky.) I think that you are probably wanting more examples in which the outer structure is like a skin on the inner structure. At least, the zeppelin, the crinoline and the Chnese lantern are like that. Myke Lyle's list is quite good, but you have seen that by now. He posted shortly after this reply of yours. So, forget my earlier answer, as not quite what you were aiming for. > Hello - > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3a/LTA8G10_by_centennialofflight -gov.jpg > ). Unfortunately, neither is an everyday object. Almost all sculptures in clay or wax are formed on an armature. Papier-mache items may start with a balloon or other shape that is then removed (the homemade Mexican pinata). Large bronzes may have inner supports and braces that keep them from collapsing. Others have mentioned the human body and many other items. It is true that the inner structure and the outer form may not have a one-to-one relationship. Automobiles are probably less dependent on the frame for their shape nowadays, but before fiberglass and other materials (in which thick-and-thin variations provide strength), , the outer shape of the car very much depended upon the inner structure, plus rivets and welds. > Hello - > > Can anyone please give me an example of an *everyday* object, whose > outer form derives a from hard inner structure. [examples] An umbrella? > Can anyone please give me an example of an *everyday* object, whose > outer form derives a from hard inner structure. The only examples I've > been able to come up with are, a Crinoline (see > http://www.project-insomnia.com/colleen/costumes/hoopinprogress.jpg ) > and a Zepplin (see http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3a/LTA8G10_by_centennialofflight -gov.jpg > ). Unfortunately, neither is an everyday object. 1. Zeppelin is a personal name and a trade name for a rigid airship (dirigible) constructed by Count Zeppelin's company. 2. The phenomenon you seek is found in all animals with exoskeletons. Some of these (millons of) species are "everyday objects" while others are not. SignatureDon Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada) >> Can anyone please give me an example of an *everyday* object, whose >> outer form derives a from hard inner structure. The only examples I've [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >for a rigid airship (dirigible) constructed by Count >Zeppelin's company. Is the trademark still in force? Is the company still extant? (A dirigible is not necessarily a rigid airship; in fact almost no dirigibles are rigid these days. I'm not sure if any rigid airships even exist today.) >2. The phenomenon you seek is found in all >animals with exoskeletons. Some of these >(millons of) species are "everyday objects" while >others are not. Note his phrase, "whose outer form derives a from hard inner structure". Critters with exoskeletons don't generally have hard inner structures. Signature************* DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen@cox.net) ************* * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps * Don Phillipson: >> 1. Zeppelin is a personal name and a trade name >> for a rigid airship (dirigible) constructed by Count >> Zeppelin's company. Dave Hatunen: > Is the trademark still in force? I don't know. > Is the company still extant? http://www.zeppelin-nt.de/pages/E/untern_u_ueber.htm says yes. SignatureMark Brader "[It] was the kind of town where they spell Toronto trouble TRUBIL, and if you try to correct them, msb@vex.net they kill you." -- Dead Men Don't Wear Plaid |
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