Don't judge the book by its cover
|
|
Thread rating:  |
Hiroshi Maeeda - 27 Jan 2007 07:06 GMT I wonder if "Don't judge the book by its cover" could also mean that something appears to be good, but actually it's not? I usually understand that the proverb means that something has more than meets the eye in a good way, although its appearance is not pleasing.
Thanks in advance
Hiroshi Maeeda
Tony Cooper - 27 Jan 2007 07:18 GMT >I wonder if "Don't judge the book by its cover" could also mean that >something appears to be good, but actually it's not? >I usually understand that the proverb means that something has more than >meets the eye in a good way, although its appearance is not pleasing. It could, I suppose, but the phrase is so entrenched as meaning not judging something because it *doesn't* appear to be good that the usage would be confusing at best.
 Signature Tony Cooper Orlando, FL
TakenEvent - 27 Jan 2007 07:54 GMT > I wonder if "Don't judge the book by its cover" could also mean that > something appears to be good, but actually it's not? > I usually understand that the proverb means that something has more than > meets the eye in a good way, although its appearance is not pleasing. With the proper context, you could use it to mean either. Unless you state otherwise, though, I would assume you meant that the cover doesn't do justice to the content.
cybercypher - 27 Jan 2007 07:59 GMT > "Hiroshi Maeeda" <eda164@h3.dion.ne.jp> wrote >> I wonder if "Don't judge the book by its cover" could also mean [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > you state otherwise, though, I would assume you meant that the > cover doesn't do justice to the content. The proverb giving the opposite POV is probably "Beauty is only skin deep".
 Signature Franke: EFL teacher & medical editor Native speaker of American English; posting from Taiwan. "It has come to my attention that my opinions are not universally shared." Scott Adams, The Dilbert Blog, 23 Jan 2007; http://dilbertblog.typepad.com/ teranews charges a one-time US$3.95 setup fee
-- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
TakenEvent - 27 Jan 2007 11:15 GMT > > "Hiroshi Maeeda" <eda164@h3.dion.ne.jp> wrote > >> I wonder if "Don't judge the book by its cover" could also mean [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > The proverb giving the opposite POV is probably "Beauty is only skin > deep". If you take "beauty is only skin deep" to mean that in a given situation physical pulchritude is masking a deeper ugliness, then yes. But if you accept that "beauty..." means that the true value of a person is in what lies beneath the surface regardless of the appearance, then the two expressions are similar in meaning. Context, context.
cybercypher - 27 Jan 2007 11:00 GMT > "cybercypher" <dontbother@easypeasy.com> wrote >> > "Hiroshi Maeeda" <eda164@h3.dion.ne.jp> wrote [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > appearance, then the two expressions are similar in meaning. > Context, context. No need to preach to this choir. I've been talking context here for years. It's a fundamental that underlies everything I say.
 Signature Franke: EFL teacher & medical editor Native speaker of American English; posting from Taiwan. "It has come to my attention that my opinions are not universally shared." Scott Adams, The Dilbert Blog, 23 Jan 2007; http://dilbertblog.typepad.com/ teranews charges a one-time US$3.95 setup fee
-- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
Martin Ambuhl - 27 Jan 2007 08:06 GMT > I wonder if "Don't judge the book by its cover" could also mean that > something appears to be good, but actually it's not? Consider this song by Willie Dixon. Notice that the sense is the opposite of what you suggest:
You Can't Judge A Book By The Cover (Willie Dixon) 1962
You can't judge an apple by looking at a tree, You can't judge honey by looking at the bee, You can't judge a daughter by looking at the mother, You can't judge a book by looking at the cover.
Oh can't you see, Oh you misjudge me, I look like a farmer, But I'm a lover, You can't judge a book by looking at the cover.
Oh come on in closer baby, Hear what else I gotta say! You got your radio turned down too low, Turn it up!
You can't judge sugar by looking at the cane, You can't judge a woman by looking at her man, You can't judge a sister by looking at her brother, You can't judge a book by looking at the cover.
Oh can't you see, Oh you misjudge me, I look like a farmer, But I'm a Lover, You can't judge a book by looking at the cover.
You can't judge a fish by lookin' in the pond, You can't judge right from looking at the wrong, You can't judge one by looking at the other, You can't judge a book by looking at the cover.
Oh can't you see, Oh you misjudge me, I look like a farmer, But I'm a lover, You can't judge a book by looking at the cover.
(c) Hoochie Coochie Music (BMI)
> I usually understand that the proverb means that something has more than > meets the eye in a good way, although its appearance is not pleasing. As above.
Donna Richoux - 27 Jan 2007 11:32 GMT > I wonder if "Don't judge the book by its cover" could also mean that > something appears to be good, but actually it's not? > I usually understand that the proverb means that something has more than > meets the eye in a good way, although its appearance is not pleasing. I'm going to disagree with the others and say that it certainly can be used both ways, in particular to imply that something looks good but is bad or rotten inside. That's the whole point -- "appearances are deceptive," which is another common way of putting it. All kinds of appearances.
A handsome young man with fancy clothes and a flashy car might look appealing to a young woman, but her family and friends might know that he is vain, selfish, a cheater, etc., and so caution her not to be fooled by his good looks (the book's cover) but instead to judge him by his actions.
The proverb isn't just one way, only that good things may look dull or ugly. It definitely can mean that (visually) appealing things may be hollow or bad. Surely this is no news to people here.
I wonder if this is about the difference between judgement and prejudice. (The regular kind of prejudice, before it was limited to racial discrimination.)
 Signature Best -- Donna Richoux
cybercypher - 27 Jan 2007 11:02 GMT > Hiroshi Maeeda <eda164@h3.dion.ne.jp> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > prejudice. (The regular kind of prejudice, before it was limited > to racial discrimination.) What? Are you saying that there's such a thing as normal prejudice? Something that is the result of the millennia through which human nature evolved?
 Signature Franke: EFL teacher & medical editor Native speaker of American English; posting from Taiwan. "It has come to my attention that my opinions are not universally shared." Scott Adams, The Dilbert Blog, 23 Jan 2007; http://dilbertblog.typepad.com/ teranews charges a one-time US$3.95 setup fee
-- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
Pat Durkin - 27 Jan 2007 21:51 GMT >> I wonder if "Don't judge the book by its cover" could also mean that >> something appears to be good, but actually it's not? [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > prejudice. (The regular kind of prejudice, before it was limited to > racial discrimination.) I've been trying to recall a fable or other story in which the sadder but wiser young lady settles for marriage to a dull person, only to find she has married a prince. Beauty and the Beast, and a few others also point out this lesson in life. "Slow and steady wins the race."
There are many ways for people to console themselves for settling for "second best", aren't there?
Pat Durkin - 27 Jan 2007 21:54 GMT .
>> A handsome young man with fancy clothes and a flashy car might look >> appealing to a young woman, but her family and friends might know [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > There are many ways for people to console themselves for settling for > "second best", aren't there? Oh, Heavens to Betsy! "The Ugly Duckling", wasn't it? And of course, "Cinderella", and others in which the outer covering may take some time to part and reveal the true value of the individual. It's the kind of thing we tell our children during those awkward teen years.
Hatunen - 27 Jan 2007 22:07 GMT >I've been trying to recall a fable or other story in which the sadder >but wiser young lady settles for marriage to a dull person, only to find >she has married a prince. Beauty and the Beast, and a few others also >point out this lesson in life. "Slow and steady wins the race." All Beauty and the Beast tells us is that it is very good to be beautiful or handsome. And be nice to frogs because they might turn into handsome princes.
 Signature ************* DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen@cox.net) ************* * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
Pat Durkin - 27 Jan 2007 22:31 GMT >>I've been trying to recall a fable or other story in which the sadder >>but wiser young lady settles for marriage to a dull person, only to [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > beautiful or handsome. And be nice to frogs because they might > turn into handsome princes. Oh, yes. You have it! The Frog Prince! Well, it's another one of quite a few, I guess.
Handsome is as handsome does. Too bad Snow White couldn't find at least one of the dwarves attractive enough to marry. She had to fall asleep and be discovered by Prince Charming. And what kind of a life did he lead her? But then, in the olden days, I suppose marrying a dwarf would have been akin to bestiality.
Peter Moylan - 28 Jan 2007 04:38 GMT > I've been trying to recall a fable or other story in which the sadder > but wiser young lady settles for marriage to a dull person, only to > find she has married a prince. Well, there was that young lady who put a frog on her pillow, and the next morning there was a handsome young man lying next to her in bed.
Do you believe that?
Neither did her mother.
 Signature Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Please note the changed e-mail and web addresses. The domain eepjm.newcastle.edu.au no longer exists, and I can no longer receive mail at my newcastle.edu.au addresses. The optusnet address could disappear at any time.
Don Phillipson - 27 Jan 2007 13:14 GMT > I wonder if "Don't judge the book by its cover" could also mean that > something appears to be good, but actually it's not? This proverb is usually repeated with the indefinite article, not the definite, viz.: "Don't judge a book by its cover." The meaning is the same, a warning against superficial impressions, but the proverb applies to any book (or idea or topic), not to only one definite item.
 Signature Don Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada)
|
|
|