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Discussion Groups / English Usage / January 2007For reasons discussed . . .
i'm always trying to decide which of the following phrases to use when i want to refer to a more detaied discussion of something in a later chapter: 1) For reasons discussed more in Chapter, 2) For reasons that wil be discussed more in Chapter, 3) For reasons that shall be discussed more in Chapter, 4) For reasons I will discuss more in Chapter, 5) For reasons that are discussed more in Chapter, Your expert opinions would be appreciated. > i'm always trying to decide which of the following phrases to use > when i want to refer to a more detaied discussion of something in a [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Your expert opinions would be appreciated. For reasons elaborated in Chapter 4? For reasons set out in Chapter 4? > > i'm always trying to decide which of the following phrases to use > > when i want to refer to a more detaied discussion of something in a [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > For reasons set out in Chapter 4?- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - Regarding 4) and 5). 'Shall' should be used when you are expressing a promise. 'Will' is a simple prediction. 'Shall' is probably preferable in the context of your query. I understand however that in the U.S. the use of shall and will is rather more fluid. Richard Lichten > > > i'm always trying to decide which of the following phrases to use > > > when i want to refer to a more detaied discussion of something in a [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > in the context of your query. I understand however that in the U.S. > the use of shall and will is rather more fluid. No, we don't use "shall" in this way in books or dissertations. Nor, in formal English, would we use "more" on its own with "discussed". I suggest "for reasons to be discussed more fully in Chapter 4", or "for reasons which will be discussed more fully. . ." Note that you need some such expression as "more fully" or "in greater detail" _only_ if you do indeed partially discuss the reasons in the earlier chapter.  SignatureMike. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > > > i'm always trying to decide which of the following phrases to use > > > when i want to refer to a more detaied discussion of something in a [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > in the context of your query. I understand however that in the U.S. > the use of shall and will is rather more fluid. I (American) would use "will" in preference to "shall" wherver in the above examples there's a choice. As for the whole idea of leading up to a statement with "For reasons discussed later" or whatever, I wouldn't do it. Say what you have to say first. Then follow it with something like: "This is discussed further in Chapter ___." That keeps the reader attentive to what you're saying at the time rather than worrying about what isn't being said. SignatureBob Lieblich Who writes such stuff for a living > i'm always trying to decide which of the following phrases to use > when i want to refer to a more detaied discussion of something in a [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Your expert opinions would be appreciated. I don't think you could do better than to say: 'We'll return to this in chapter ...' It is always better to use the active voice since it is friendlier and the 'we' is a nice touch. It suggests to the reader that he is involved. But if you are thinking of a reference book, the dry but neat 'For a more detailed discussion, see chapter ---,page ---' can't be beat. > > i'm always trying to decide which of the following phrases to use > > when i want to refer to a more detaied discussion of something in a [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > But if you are thinking of a reference book, the dry but neat 'For a > more detailed discussion, see chapter ---,page ---' can't be beat. Just so that I am clear in my mind, what is the definitive ruling on the shall/will debate? Richard Lichten "Turenne" <richard.lichten1@virgin.net> wrote [...] > Just so that I am clear in my mind, what is the definitive ruling > on the shall/will debate? If you're a BrE speaker, you will most likely say "shall"; if you're an AmE speaker, you shall most likely say "will"; if you're an ESL/EFL student of English, it's a toss-up. SignatureFranke: EFL teacher & medical editor Native speaker of American English; posting from Taiwan. "It has come to my attention that my opinions are not universally shared." Scott Adams, The Dilbert Blog, 23 Jan 2007; http://dilbertblog.typepad.com/ teranews charges a one-time US$3.95 setup fee -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > "Turenne" <richard.lichten1@virgin.net> wrote > [...] [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > AmE speaker, you shall most likely say "will"; if you're an ESL/EFL > student of English, it's a toss-up. You're a braver man than I am, Gunga Franke. My definitive ruling on "shall/will" is that people use them as they use tham, and the only thing we can be sure of is the gradual eclipse of "shall" by "will." The "rules" issued by the various authorities are inconsistent, and they are as much honored in the breach as in the observance. It's a minefield out there. SignatureBob Lieblich How green was mine field? |
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