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Discussion Groups / English Usage / January 2007Prophesying the more confidently in that they ...
Hello: I'm not able to tell which is the idiom or rule which requires the presence of "in" in: "prophesying the more confidently IN that they themselves would ..." Is "prophesying in" perhaps a phrasal verb? ------- Before those who now, for the sake of the Savage, paid their court to him, Bernard would parade a carping unorthodoxy. He was politely listened to. But behind his back people shook their heads. "That young man will come to a bad end," they said, prophesying the more confidently in that they themselves would in due course personally see to it that the end was bad. "He won't find another Savage to help him out a second time," they said. Meanwhile, however, there was the first Savage; they were polite. Brave New World, by Aldous Huxley, p. 145 http://www.classicreader.com/read.php/sid.1/bookid.1279/sec.11/ ------- Thank you for any pointers. Marius Hancu > I'm not able to tell which is the idiom or rule which requires the > presence of "in" in: > "prophesying the more confidently IN that they themselves would > ..." > > Is "prophesying in" perhaps a phrasal verb? "In that" here means "because". The verb is not phrasal. > ------- > Before those who now, for the sake of the Savage, paid their court [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > http://www.classicreader.com/read.php/sid.1/bookid.1279/sec.11/ > ------- -- Franke: EFL teacher & medical editor Native speaker of American English; posting from Taiwan. "It has come to my attention that my opinions are not universally shared." Scott Adams, The Dilbert Blog, 23 Jan 2007; http:// dilbertblog.typepad.com/ > > "That young man will come to a bad end," they said, > > prophesying the more confidently in that they themselves would in > > due course personally see to it that the end was bad. "He won't > > find another Savage to help him out a second time," they said. > > Meanwhile, however, there was the first Savage; they were polite. >"In that" here means "because". Yes, it fits like a glove. ----- 33. in that because; inasmuch as: --- In that you won't have time for supper, let me give you something now. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=in+that&r=66 ----- I'm sure I've seen it before, but I didn't recognize it in the context. Thank you all. Marius Hancu In our last episode, <FCbvh.2403$hn6.136769@weber.videotron.net>, the lovely and talented Marius Hancu broadcast on alt.usage.english: > Hello: > I'm not able to tell which is the idiom or rule which requires the > presence of > "in" in: > "prophesying the more confidently IN that they themselves would ..." > Is "prophesying in" perhaps a phrasal verb? No. This meaning 3a of *in* prep. in MWCD11th. "used as function word to indicate limitation, qualification, or circumstance <alike ~ some respects> <left ~ a hurry>" The circumstance is that they intended ("personally see to it") to cause his bad end. In other words they were prophesying what they themselves intended to do. Although not everything intended becomes reality, as prophesy goes, that based on one's own intentions can be offered with a high degree of confidence. In other words, the prepositional phrase beginning with *in* is adverbial and applies to confidently to tell the circumstance or qualification on confidently. It has nothing to do with the verb "prophesying." > ------- > Before those who now, for the sake of the Savage, paid their court to [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > out a second time," they said. Meanwhile, however, there was the first > Savage; they were polite. > Brave New World, by Aldous Huxley, p. 145 > http://www.classicreader.com/read.php/sid.1/bookid.1279/sec.11/ > ------- > Thank you for any pointers. > Marius Hancu Aside: I read this book when I was about eleven years old, and did not know until I was in college that Huxley intended it to be dystopian.  SignatureLars Eighner <http://larseighner.com/> <http://myspace.com/larseighner> Countdown: 722 days to go. Lars Eighner filted: >Aside: I read this book when I was about eleven years old, and did not know >until I was in college that Huxley intended it to be dystopian. Fancied yourself an alpha, did you?...r Signature"You got Schadenfreude on my Weltanschauung!" "You got Weltanschauung in my Schadenfreude!" In our last episode, <epju0301tfq@drn.newsguy.com>, the lovely and talented R H Draney broadcast on alt.usage.english: > Lars Eighner filted: >> >>Aside: I read this book when I was about eleven years old, and did not know >>until I was in college that Huxley intended it to be dystopian. > Fancied yourself an alpha, did you?...r Yeah, me and Plato. I should say, however, I grew up in a segregated city. Huxley's world seemed more sensible than assigning caste by accident of birth. SignatureLars Eighner <http://larseighner.com/> <http://myspace.com/larseighner> Countdown: 722 days to go. >> Brave New World, by Aldous Huxley, p. 145 >> http://www.classicreader.com/read.php/sid.1/bookid.1279/sec.11/ [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > not know until I was in college that Huxley intended it to be > dystopian. I had a similar reaction, but then I read "1984" at about the same time, so I had a point of comparison. Huxley's world looked fine to me. On New Year's Day, 1984, I read "1984" again, and found it disappointing. All the horrible things he had predicted for the remote future had already happened by the 1970s. SignaturePeter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org Please note the changed e-mail and web addresses. The domain eepjm.newcastle.edu.au no longer exists, and I can no longer receive mail at my newcastle.edu.au addresses. The optusnet address could disappear at any time. > Lars Eighner wrote: >> In our last episode, <FCbvh.2403$hn6.136769@weber.videotron.net>, [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > disappointing. All the horrible things he had predicted for the > remote future had already happened by the 1970s. But didn't you want to live on the reservation? I did. SignatureFranke: EFL teacher & medical editor Native speaker of American English; posting from Taiwan. "It has come to my attention that my opinions are not universally shared." Scott Adams, The Dilbert Blog, 23 Jan 2007; http://dilbertblog.typepad.com/ teranews charges a one-time US$3.95 setup fee -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > Aside: I read this book when I was about eleven years old I wonder what your reading of "orgy-porgy" was then:-) Marius Hancu >> Aside: I read this book when I was about eleven years old > I wonder what your reading of "orgy-porgy" was then:-) Tame compared to my weekends and summers then. SignatureLars Eighner <http://larseighner.com/> <http://myspace.com/larseighner> Countdown: 720 days to go. |
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