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x > x y?  SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Peacenik filted: >> x > >y? Because we *like* you!...r Signature"You got Schadenfreude on my Weltanschauung!" "You got Weltanschauung in my Schadenfreude!" > Peacenik filted: >>> x >> y? > Because we *like* you!...r What is this "we" stuff, White Eyes? All know those of xy genetic stock are typically inferior beings, who are often dislikable. --- "You got Schadenfreude on my Weltanschauung!" "You got Weltanschauung in my Schadenfreude!" Each time I glance at your signature file, I am reminded of a joke. What is the German word for petroleum jelly? "Wienerslicken" What is the German word for virgin? "Gutundtite" Ja! Ja! Das wienerslicken fur eine gutundtite! Ja! [...] > All know those of xy genetic stock are typically inferior beings, > who are often dislikable. f.ck off with your sexist generalisations. Personally, I find you (as expressed through your ridiculous "English") utterly repellent, while your repugnant, gratuitous, uncalled-for and quasi-pornographic links to self-portraits lead me to the inevitable conclusion that you are of the xx genetic stock. So put that in your pipe and stuff it up your capacious butt, to which you advert with mind-destroyingly tedious repetition. > "You got Schadenfreude on my Weltanschauung!" > "You got Weltanschauung in my Schadenfreude!" > > Each time I glance at your signature file, I am reminded of a joke. [utterly feeble and unfunny "joke" removed in the interests of public taste] A joke is it? My poor sides. >> All know those of xy genetic stock are typically inferior beings, >> who are often dislikable. > f.ck off with your sexist generalisations. Personally, I find you (as > expressed through your ridiculous "English") utterly repellent, while [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > capacious butt, to which you advert with mind-destroyingly tedious > repetition. Holy Mackerel there, Kingfish! This one is an excitable boy! You misspelled "callipygian" - "callipygian butt." http://www.purlgurl.net/aue/amwild.jpg > [utterly feeble and unfunny "joke" removed in the interests of public taste] We are indeed blessed to enjoy a glossy black jack boot wearing goose stepping soldier of censorship such as yourself. Heaven knows our world would fall to sordid decadence without you and your fellow good soldiers to protect us from the likes of me! Are you under the command of four star general Robert "E. Lee" Lieblich? My, my, those of xy genetic stock make for such great comedy! Purl Gurl > You misspelled "callipygian" - "callipygian butt." That's redundant. Repetitious, even. SignatureSkitt Jes' fine! >> You misspelled "callipygian" - "callipygian butt." > That's redundant. Repetitious, even. Hey! Those are his words, not mine! I am not sure "callipygian" can be used as a noun. This is a rarely used word. I will look into this. She is callipygian? Her callipygian look? Not so sure either work all this well. Strikes me as all wrong without a direct buttocks reference. Purl Gurl >>> You misspelled "callipygian" - "callipygian butt." > >> That's redundant. Repetitious, even. > > Hey! Those are his words, not mine! No, they were yours. His were "capacious butt". > I am not sure "callipygian" can be used as a noun. > This is a rarely used word. I will look into this. No, not as a noun. > She is callipygian? Jes' fine. > Her callipygian look? That too. > Not so sure either work all this well. Strikes > me as all wrong without a direct buttocks reference. "Callipygian" means "having shapely buttocks". More literally, "kalli" means "pretty", I believe. pyge = buttocks. It's all Greek to me, though. SignatureSkitt Jes' fine! > >>> You misspelled "callipygian" - "callipygian butt." > >> That's redundant. Repetitious, even. > > Hey! Those are his words, not mine! > No, they were yours. His were "capacious butt". > > I am not sure "callipygian" can be used as a noun. > > This is a rarely used word. I will look into this. > No, not as a noun. > > She is callipygian? > Jes' fine. > > Her callipygian look? > That too. > > Not so sure either work all this well. Strikes > > me as all wrong without a direct buttocks reference. > "Callipygian" means "having shapely buttocks". More literally, > "kalli" means "pretty", I believe. pyge = buttocks. > It's all Greek to me, though. Small wonder, since y'all don't have access to the proper reference works. We erudite philologists & cunning linguists know, of course, that "callipygian" is a Graecified adjective derived from the polymorphic Choctaw cluster "qal-li-p'hi-dzhi." The Christian missionaries who tried to save those savage Choctaw redskins from eternal damnation heard that Choctaw term rather frequently, because hugely fat-arsed females were (and still are today) the rule rather than the exception among those savages. Perceptive Padre Jesús María Lope de Verga y Carpio, a Mexican Maledictine missionary and part-time archimandrite, described the moving buttocks of such loinclothed callipygian Choctawesses as "como dos perros gordos luchando bajo de una manta" [sic] ('like two fat dogs fighting beneath a blanket'). Whipping out my _Etymological Dictionary of Choctaw and Other Heathen Tongues_ by Prof. Dr. Salomon von Rubinstein (Heidelberg: Carl Winter Verlag, 1895, 3rd edition), I found on page 332 the following entry: QAL-LI-P'HI-DZHI. Phrasal noun; derived from QAL _adj_ 1: huge, enormous, monstrous, gigantic, elephantine 2: fat, overweight, fleshy, obese, porcine; LI _n_ 1: _pôdex_, anus, rectum 2: _clûnis_, buttock(s); P'HI _adj_ 1: red 2: savage 3: Indian DZHI _n_ 1: _vulva_ 2: _vâgîna_ 3: _joc[ular]_ twatte. Padre Lope de Verga adjusted the nearly impossible-to-pronounce heathen term _qallip'hidzhi_ to the Spanish adjective _calipíjano_, later Graecified by his Oxford-educated Hellenophile bishop to "callipygian." To condense and simplify the above scholarly etymology: "callipygian" literally means "fat-assed red twat," an appropriate sobriquet for that callipygian heathen woman Kiralynn Purl Gurl. ~~~ Rey ~~~ http://www.sonic.net/maledicta/pricelist_order.html <- Buy my books! >>>>> You misspelled "callipygian" - "callipygian butt." > [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > dos perros gordos luchando bajo de una manta" [sic] ('like two fat > dogs fighting beneath a blanket'). I have always known that as "two kittens fighting in a sack". Otherwise, touche. (yeah I know there's meant to be an acute, but I don't know how to put it in). Stupot Stuart Chapman <ten.no.edonretni@nampahc.trauts> wrote [...] > Otherwise, touche. (yeah I know there's meant to be an acute, but > I don't know how to put it in). Hold down the Alt key and type 0233 = é. SignatureFranke: EFL teacher & medical editor Native speaker of American English; posting from Taiwan. "It has come to my attention that my opinions are not universally shared." Scott Adams, The Dilbert Blog, 23 Jan 2007; http://dilbertblog.typepad.com/ teranews charges a one-time US$3.95 setup fee -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >Whipping out my _Etymological Dictionary of Choctaw and Other Heathen >Tongues_ by Prof. Dr. Salomon von Rubinstein (Heidelberg: Carl Winter >Verlag, 1895, 3rd edition), I found on page 332 the following entry: > >QAL-LI-P'HI-DZHI. Phrasal noun; derived from I don't have my copy of the cited reference at hand, but I seem to remember it also had an entry for Steatopygia which was an interesting variant of the above. While the two are clearly semantically related , I believe STE-HATO-P'HI-DZI had its origins in the Dakotas rather than further south. Or am I mixed up here? The real question is which one carries more weight. Jitze Saartje Baartman, born to a Khoisan family in what is now the Eastern Cape of South Africa, was remarkable for her remarkably large buttocks and elongated labia minora. She was made to travel to England for exhibition. She traveled around England and to Paris and earned herself the name of Hottentot Venus. After five years abroad, she died in 1815. Her skeleton, preserved genitals, and brain were placed on display in the Paris Musée de l'Homme until 1974. When Nelson Mandela became President of South Africa in 1994, he formally requested that France return her remains. France eventually acceded to the request in 2002. CW > Saartje Baartman, born to a Khoisan family in what is now the Eastern > Cape of South Africa, was remarkable for her remarkably large buttocks [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > France return her remains. France eventually acceded to the request in > 2002. http://www.purlgurl.net/aue/calli.jpg Purl Gurl Purl Gurl filted: >> Saartje Baartman, born to a Khoisan family in what is now the Eastern >> Cape of South Africa, was remarkable for her remarkably large buttocks [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >http://www.purlgurl.net/aue/calli.jpg "The area at the rear of the human body (sometimes referred to as the gluteus maximus) which lies between two imaginary straight lines running parallel to the ground when a person is standing, the first or top such line being 1/2 inch below the top of the vertical cleavage of the nates (i.e., the prominence formed by the muscles running from the back of the hip to the back of the leg) and the second or bottom such line being 1/2 inch above the lowest point of the curvature of the fleshy protuberance (sometimes referred to as the gluteal fold), and between two imaginary straight lines, one on each side of the body (the ‘outside lines’), which outside lines are perpendicular to the ground and to the horizontal lines described about and which perpendicular outside lines pass through the outermost point(s) at which each nate meets the outer side of each leg. Notwithstanding the above, Buttocks shall not include the leg, the hamstring muscle below the gluteal fold, the tensor fasciae latae muscle or any of the above-described portion of the human body that is between either (i) the left inside perpendicular line and the left outside perpendicular line or (ii) the right inside perpendicular line and right outside perpendicular line. For the purpose of the previous sentence, the left inside perpendicular line shall be an imaginary straight line on the left side of the anus (i) that is perpendicular to the ground and to the horizontal lines described about and (ii) that is 1/3 of the distance from the anus to the left outside line, and the right inside perpendicular line shall be an imaginary straight line on the right side of the anus (i) that is perpendicular to the ground and to the horizontal lines described above and (ii) that is 1/3 of the distance from the anus to the right outside line." - legal definition of "buttocks" published in the wake of recent legislation on indecent exposure....r Signature"You got Schadenfreude on my Weltanschauung!" "You got Weltanschauung in my Schadenfreude!" > Purl Gurl filted: >>> Saartje Baartman, born to a Khoisan family in what is now the Eastern >>> Cape of South Africa, was remarkable for her remarkably large buttocks [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >>> France return her remains. France eventually acceded to the request in >>> 2002. >> http://www.purlgurl.net/aue/calli.jpg > "The area at the rear of the human body (sometimes referred to as the gluteus > maximus) which lies between two imaginary straight lines running parallel to the [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > lines described above and (ii) that is 1/3 of the distance from the anus to the > right outside line." > - legal definition of "buttocks" published in the wake of recent legislation on > indecent exposure....r For God's Sake, are you able to make a lick of sense of that definition? Dang, the definition itself is obscenely ludicrous. I can imagine some Spring Vacation beach cop out there with straight edges, rulers, levels, a surveyor's transit and medical dictionary in hand, trying to determine if some girl's dental floss string bikini is obscene or not. Reminds me of a time when teachers used rulers to measure how many inches above a girl's knee cap is her skirt. I never thought my wearing cheeky mini-skirts to school to be a problem. However, my wearing a loin cloth to school, well, yeah, I understand teachers becoming a bit upset. Certainly you have noticed how teenagers dress today. Their partial nudity does not bother me in the least. What bothers me is those darn boys who hang their underwear and pants upon their kneecaps. That has got to go. For crying out loud, pull up your pants, boy! Purl Gurl >> "The area at the rear of the human body (sometimes referred to as >> the gluteus maximus) which lies between two imaginary straight [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > For God's Sake, are you able to make a lick of sense of that definition? I think so, but it takes a bit of work. Your "buttocks" run from a half inch below the top of your butt crack to a half inch above the bottom of butt cheeks. And they cover a third of the widest part of the body in this region. > Dang, the definition itself is obscenely ludicrous. Agreed. SignatureEvan Kirshenbaum +------------------------------------ HP Laboratories |Never ascribe to malice that which 1501 Page Mill Road, 1U, MS 1141 |can adequately be explained by Palo Alto, CA 94304 |stupidity. kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com (650)857-7572 http://www.kirshenbaum.net/ (snipped) >>> "The area at the rear of the human body (sometimes referred to as >>> the gluteus maximus) which lies between two imaginary straight >>> lines running parallel to the ground when a person is standing, the >>> first or top such line being 1/2 inch below the top of the vertical >>> cleavage of the nates (i.e., the prominence formed by the muscles.... >>> - legal definition of "buttocks" published in the wake of recent >>> legislation on indecent exposure....r >> For God's Sake, are you able to make a lick of sense of that definition? > I think so, but it takes a bit of work. Your "buttocks" run from a > half inch below the top of your butt crack to a half inch above the > bottom of butt cheeks. And they cover a third of the widest part of > the body in this region. Thank God! Thank you, Evan, for helping me to understand. I do not have to worry when I wear my dental floss string bikini; my buttocks cover one-hundred percent of the widest part of my body. I do not fit into this definition of obscene, nor fit into much of anything else. Purl Gurl Claude Weil a écrit: > Saartje Baartman, born to a Khoisan family in what is now the Eastern > Cape of South Africa, was remarkable for her remarkably large buttocks [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > in 1815. Her skeleton, preserved genitals, and brain were placed on > display in the Paris Musée de l'Homme until 1974. I'm happy that I saw her in 1953 at the Musée de l'Homme. It wasn't just her skeleton -- that museum also exhibited a naked, upright, life-size plaster cast of that woman with her pendulous breasts, her famous, huge Purl-Gurl-type buttocks, and her famous _Hottentotten-Schürze_ ("Hottentot apron"), the scientific German name for such enormous, four-inch-long labia majora hanging like a small apron below her vulva. The name "Hottentot" for the _Khoikhoi_ people is no longer p.c., because it's supposedly derived from the Dutch/Afrikaans words mimicking their language, "hotten en totten," about which Donna or Jitze can add more details. And who hasn't heard the German tongue twister using that name: "Hottentottenstottertrottelmutterbeutelrattenlattengitterkofferattentäter"? > When Nelson Mandela became President of South Africa in 1994, > he formally requested that France return her remains. France > eventually acceded to the request in 2002. Quel dommage. ~~~ Rey ~~~ http://www.sonic.net/maledicta/ P.S. Is Raoul dead yet? [...] > _Hottentotten-Schürze_ ("Hottentot apron"), the scientific German name > for such enormous, four-inch-long labia majora hanging like a small > apron below her vulva. Make that labia *minora*. ~~~ Rey ~~~ Who's no fan of Schamlippen-Dehnung. [ ... ] > And who hasn't heard the German tongue twister using that name: "Hottentottenstottertrottelmutterbeutelrattenlattengitterkofferattentäter"? I, for one. Though now I can at least claim to have read it. That's our Rey -- spreading education among the masses. Signature"Dick" Lieblich >The name "Hottentot" for the _Khoikhoi_ people is no longer p.c., >because it's supposedly derived from the Dutch/Afrikaans words >mimicking their language, "hotten en totten," about which Donna or >Jitze can add more details. Indeed, that etymology is a common urban myth - propagated by people who foist such nonsense on the unwashed masses. Scholarly works (such as the definitive _Etymological Dictionary of Hottentot and Other Heathen Tongues_ by Prof. Dr. Salomon von Rubinstein (Heidelberg: Carl Winter Verlag, 1895, 3rd edition), tell a different story. On page 772 it says The name "Hottentot" finds its origins from when the early Dutch settlers first applied the name "Choctaw" to these native peoples. (This as a result of certain perceived similarities in physique with the American natives which had been previously encountered or described to to the new settlers by seafaring colleagues) The Khoisan in turn adopted this term to describe themselves in their intercourse with the settlers, but rendered it as !TJOK-EN-!T'-JO! (where the ! mark represents one of the many click sounds peculiar to their speech). On hearing the natives thus describe themselves, the Boers then re-rendered the name as "Hottentot" due to their inability to pronounce the clicks. I notice that most unfortunately, the otherwise estimable on-line etymological dictionary at http://www.etymonline.com propagates the urban myth version of the derivation of this name. Jitze >>The name "Hottentot" for the _Khoikhoi_ people is no longer p.c., >>because it's supposedly derived from the Dutch/Afrikaans words [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >Jitze > Douglas Harper, the author of The Online Etymology Dictionary, accepts suggestions. byronic106@yahoo.com SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english) >Saartje Baartman, born to a Khoisan family in what is now the Eastern >Cape of South Africa, was remarkable for her remarkably large buttocks >and elongated labia minora. In French, the technical term for this enlargement of the labia minora is called "macronymphie" ("nymphae" = labia minora"). I could find no equivalent of this word in English dictionaries, be they current or medical ones. CW >>> You misspelled "callipygian" - "callipygian butt." >> That's redundant. Repetitious, even. > I am not sure "callipygian" can be used as a noun. > This is a rarely used word. I will look into this. > She is callipygian? Her callipygian look? For almost all case examples I find "callipygian" used as an adjective. However, very few instances using this word with "butt" or "buttocks." Callipygian ideal Callipygian woman Callipygian sweetcheeks Callipygian Venus Callipygian darling "Callipygian look" would be acceptable. I agree, Skitt, "callipygian butt" is not quite right. Purl Gurl > >> You misspelled "callipygian" - "callipygian butt." > > > That's redundant. Repetitious, even. Anyway, he seems to have been using it wrong, if he was trying to be insulting. Dictionaries have no derogatory sense for 'callipygian". The _Oxford English Dictionary_, which has no definitions of "callipygian" other than the one for its use as an adjective, defines it as Of, pertaining to, or having well-shaped or finely developed buttocks. I wonder, though, about the first quotation: [1646 SIR T. BROWNE Pseud. Ep. IV. vi. 195 Callipygæ and women largely composed behinde.] Was "Callipygae" a noun related to "callipygian", or was it someone's name? We may never know. More modern dictionaries also don't have anything besides the adjective for "callipygian". And they give no derogatory sense for it. (snipped - read Bob's article for full context) >>>> You misspelled "callipygian" - "callipygian butt." >>> That's redundant. Repetitious, even. > Anyway, he seems to have been using it wrong, if he was > trying to be insulting. Dictionaries have no derogatory > sense for 'callipygian". > The _Oxford English Dictionary_, which has no definitions of > "callipygian" other than the one for its use as an > adjective, defines it as > [1646 SIR T. BROWNE Pseud. Ep. IV. vi. 195 > Callipygæ and women largely composed behinde.] I know you read this article, Bob. Others may not have. A sincere article from long ago yet quite humorous, http://penelope.uchicago.edu/pseudodoxia/pseudo46.html Your "callipygae" is used in this article. Purl Gurl [...] > I know you read this article, Bob. Others may not have. > A sincere article from long ago yet quite humorous, > > http://penelope.uchicago.edu/pseudodoxia/pseudo46.html I get access forbidden on that URL. > Purl Gurl said: > [...] > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I get access forbidden on that URL. Really? They must know you, or something. I can access it just fine. Try again. SignatureSkitt Jes' fine! > > Purl Gurl said: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Really? They must know you, or something. I can access it just fine. Try > again. I tried it again with both Internet Explorer and Firefox. Still access forbidden. >> I know you read this article, Bob. Others may not have. >> A sincere article from long ago yet quite humorous, >> http://penelope.uchicago.edu/pseudodoxia/pseudo46.html > I get access forbidden on that URL. You bad boy! You have been Black Hat hacking again! Your server is banished, BANISHED! Here, Bob, I copied out the page for you. This page is available on my server so you and others can enjoy this antiquated humor, which was sincere during the period. http://www.purlgurl.net/aue./pseudo46.html All should work for you, text and pictures. However, click links, you will probably receive the same access forbidden message. You will discover humor in a contention men and women swim in a "prone" position so not to expose their genitalia to the public, and a bit about why women float better but differently than men. I am guessing none thought to wear underwear, a loin cloth, string bikini, whatever, back then. A rather delightful writing although most antiquated. Purl Gurl > Here, Bob, I copied out the page for you. This page > is available on my server so you and others can enjoy > this antiquated humor, which was sincere during the period. > http://www.purlgurl.net/aue./pseudo46.html Ooppss.. managed to place a period in this URL. Should work ok for you, if not, remove the period, http://www.purlgurl.net/aue/pseudo46.html Forgot to remind you, this word of yours "callipygae" is found in the text of the article. You will find interest in how this word is cast. Purl Gurl > >> I know you read this article, Bob. Others may not have. > >> A sincere article from long ago yet quite humorous, [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > All should work for you, text and pictures. Yes, thank you. But I don't find any pictures. > However, > click links, you will probably receive the same > access forbidden message. Yes, did. By the way, reading so much about "prone" and "supine" reminded me that sometime ago I thought of a mnemonic to remember which is which: When you're supine you're lying on your spine. > You will discover humor in a contention men and women > swim in a "prone" position so not to expose their [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Purl Gurl >> Here, Bob, I copied out the page for you. This page >> is available on my server so you and others can enjoy >> this antiquated humor, which was sincere during the period. >> http://www.purlgurl.net/aue./pseudo46.html >> All should work for you, text and pictures. > Yes, thank you. But I don't find any pictures. There is only one picture, a small picture of Sir what's his name off on the right side of the page. > By the way, reading so much about "prone" and "supine" > reminded me that sometime ago I thought of a mnemonic to > remember which is which: When you're supine you're lying on > your spine. What really caught my attention is his description of those various experiments performed. Quite morbid! He sliced and diced dead people then tossed their remains into a lake. Doubtful many enjoyed swimming there! However, he described tests which really disturbed me; deliberate drowning of cats, kittens and other animals. Nonetheless, during the time, this is acceptable. I do enjoy reading antiquated documents of this type. There is enjoyment in noting English language usage and how much has changed in our English language. There is more enjoyment, though, found in comparing the thinking of the time period with today. This notion he relates, a notion of people swimming in a prone position, rather than your "spine" position, swimming this way so not to expose private parts to the public, I find this simply hilarious! Imagine the reaction if people of the time period were exposed to women in string bikinis and men wearing string thongs! My word, would they ever blush! Those near naked women and men would have their heads chopped off then tossed into a swimming hole to discover how they float! Purl Gurl >By the way, reading so much about "prone" and "supine" >reminded me that sometime ago I thought of a mnemonic to >remember which is which: When you're supine you're lying on >your spine. And when you're prone, you're lying on your prong (this may not work for all participants in this conversation). > Bob Cunningham posted: >> By the way, reading so much about "prone" and "supine" >> reminded me that sometime ago I thought of a mnemonic to >> remember which is which: When you're supine you're lying on >> your spine. > And when you're prone, you're lying on your prong (this may not work > for all participants in this conversation). Do you know why Mother Nature gave men a penis? There is only one good use for a penis. This use is Mother Nature attached a penis to men so when a man reclines upon his side, he may prop himself up. Purl Gurl Purl Gurl filted: >> And when you're prone, you're lying on your prong (this may not work >> for all participants in this conversation). [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >a penis to men so when a man reclines upon his side, he may >prop himself up. And if he wants to recline on his *other* side?... I've brought us two full cups of steaming hot coffee; how else am I supposed to carry the bagels?...r Signature"You got Schadenfreude on my Weltanschauung!" "You got Weltanschauung in my Schadenfreude!" > Purl Gurl filted: >>> And when you're prone, you're lying on your prong (this may not work >>> for all participants in this conversation). >> Do you know why Mother Nature gave men a penis? There is only >> one good use for a penis. This use is Mother Nature attached >> a penis to men so when a man reclines upon his side, he may >> prop himself up. > And if he wants to recline on his *other* side?... Not a problem. A majority of men are unaware they have two sides. > I've brought us two full cups of steaming hot coffee; how else am I supposed to > carry the bagels?...r In your dreams, in your dreams! http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/uncensored.shtml Purl Gurl > > Purl Gurl filted: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Not a problem. A majority of men are unaware they have two sides. And yet you tell us that we have two faces. Is this consistency? I ask you. SignatureThe Barrister General >>> Purl Gurl filted: >>>>> And when you're prone, you're lying on your prong (this may not work >>>>> for all participants in this conversation). >>>> Do you know why Mother Nature gave men a penis? There is only >>>> one good use for a penis. This use is Mother Nature attached >>>> a penis to men so when a man reclines upon his side, he may >>>> prop himself up. >>> And if he wants to recline on his *other* side?... >> Not a problem. A majority of men are unaware they have two sides. > And yet you tell us that we have two faces. Is this consistency? I > ask you. Ha! Now this *is* funny! Bobby, dahhhhling, you need to work on becoming in touch with your fickle feminine side. ...and stop censoring those pictures of my big fat butt. Purl Gurl - laughing > >>> Purl Gurl filted: > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Purl Gurl - laughing Hey, Kira, I ain't censoring no pitchers of you or your enormous butt. I'm too busy laughing myself. Stay away from English usage and we may yet get along. SignatureBobby Dahhhhling > >By the way, reading so much about "prone" and "supine" > >reminded me that sometime ago I thought of a mnemonic to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > And when you're prone, you're lying on your prong (this may not work > for all participants in this conversation). Anyway, it's only when you are standing that you are erect. [...] > Anyway, he seems to have been using it wrong, if he was > trying to be insulting. Dictionaries have no derogatory [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > the adjective for "callipygian". And they give no > derogatory sense for it. I would never read it without at least suspecting irony. It isn't the kind of word one often uses without a knowing smirk. Note that of OED's examples, <[1646 SIR T. BROWNE Pseud. Ep. IV. vi. 195 Callipygæ and women largely composed behinde.] a1800 The Callipygian Venus. 1885 Athenæum 17 Oct. 497 The Callipygian luxuriance he so deplores.>, the first and third _do_ clearly refer to size, not beauty. See also under the synonym "callipygous", where we have <1967 J. RATHBONE Diamonds Bid ii. 22 The callipygous matrons with their shopping.> A "matron" in literature is generally matronly, not sylph-like. I wish I had access to the texts from which OED's other examples come, as the short quotations provided don't all allow of a proper assessment. The Huxley ones under "callipygous/ly" are clearly positive, though. On "Callipygae", it isn't quite a coinage of dear old Browne's. It existed in the singular as the name of a famous statue of Venus, or Aphrodite, kept in Naples, which I think was knopwn in his time, so his extension into the plural to name a class is reasonable. OT: if anybody can sell me a copy of Browne's "Pseudodoxia" (aka "Vulgar Errors"), _please_ do so. I can't find anything cheaper than collectors' editions on Amazon. SignatureMike. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com [...] > OT: if anybody can sell me a copy of Browne's "Pseudodoxia" (aka > "Vulgar Errors"), _please_ do so. I can't find anything cheaper > than collectors' editions on Amazon. You did see that it's available online at the URL Purl provided upthread? > MikeLylewrote: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > You did see that it's available online at the URL Purl provided > upthread? I already have it bookmarked in the version provided by dear Penelope at Chicago, thanks. It's useful, but I just like holding books in my hand, smelling them,.turning pages -- you know the kind of thing. -- Mike. >> MikeLylewrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > books in my hand, smelling them,.turning pages -- you know the kind > of thing. Much better, of course. And I suppose printouts aren't the same. (I've never bothered to connect my printer.) >>> You did see that it's available online at the URL Purl provided >>> upthread? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Much better, of course. And I suppose printouts aren't the same. > (I've never bothered to connect my printer.) A month or so ago I bought, via a web order, a four-volume book that had been published in Ireland in 1905. When it arrived, it turned out to be one huge PDF on a CD. I don't feel able to print it out because it would be more than two thousand pages of paper. No, I don't feel cheated, because it hindsight it was the only way to get a reference work that had been long out of print. Nevertheless, I haven't yet read even the preface. The only way I can see myself reading the thing is by taking a laptop to bed. SignaturePeter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org Please note the changed e-mail and web addresses. The domain eepjm.newcastle.edu.au no longer exists, and I can no longer receive mail at my newcastle.edu.au addresses. The optusnet address could disappear at any time. [...] > http://www.purlgurl.net/aue/amwild.jpg Looks just like a fat arse to me - nothing callipygian about it. Maybe you mean steatopygous. > > [utterly feeble and unfunny "joke" removed in the interests of public taste] > > We are indeed blessed to enjoy a glossy black jack boot wearing > goose stepping soldier of censorship such as yourself. What's the matter? Some objection to using hyphens? Silly me - that pre-supposes you have any useful knowledge of English usage, which your every post belies. > Heaven > knows our world would fall to sordid decadence without you and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > My, my, those of xy genetic stock make for such great comedy! That, my fat-bottomed interlocutor, is because we xy have a sense of humour. (snipped) >> http://www.purlgurl.net/aue/amwild.jpg > Looks just like a fat arse to me - nothing callipygian about it. > Maybe you mean steatopygous. Provide a picture of yourself for all readers to critique. You are not fearful of providing a picture or yourself, yes? Purl Gurl > (snipped) > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > You are not fearful of providing a picture or yourself, yes? Not in the least - however, not being an exhibitionist like yourself, I wait until asked. http://www.flickr.com/photos/7339125@N04/420920654/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/7339125@N04/420920656/ Fill your boots. (snipped) >>>> http://www.purlgurl.net/aue/amwild.jpg >>> Looks just like a fat arse to me - nothing callipygian about it. >>> Maybe you mean steatopygous. >> Provide a picture of yourself for all readers to critique. > http://www.flickr.com/photos/7339125@N04/420920654/ > http://www.flickr.com/photos/7339125@N04/420920656/ I assumed you to be old enough to by my daddy. No suprise you are an old man who behaves as a childish school yard bully. Why does your photograph have "Sample photograph...." printed across it? Purl Gurl [...] > I assumed you to be old enough to by my daddy. Your grasp of English is truly abject. At least I haven't got a lardy butt. > No suprise you are an old man who behaves as a > childish school yard bully. More truly lame "English". What's more, you've got a nerve, bandying words like "bully". Take a look at the sizeable rainforest in your own eye before you start pointing out the negligible mote of sawdust in mine. > Why does your photograph have "Sample photograph...." > printed across it? Take a wild guess... > At least I haven't got a lardy butt. >> No suprise you are an old man who behaves as a >> childish school yard bully. There ya go! Purl Gurl > > At least I haven't got a lardy butt. > >> No suprise you are an old man who behaves as a [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Purl Gurl Note: no substantive rejoinder. I win. >>> At least I haven't got a lardy butt. >>>> No suprise you are an old man who behaves as a >>>> childish school yard bully. >> There ya go! > Note: no substantive rejoinder. I win. http://www.purlgurl.net/aue/party01.jpg Purl Gurl >>>> At least I haven't got a lardy butt. >>>>> No suprise you are an old man who behaves as a >>>>> childish school yard bully. >>> There ya go! >> Note: no substantive rejoinder. I win. > http://www.purlgurl.net/aue/party01.jpg Reminds of an old sign in my collection of Indian "things." http://www.purlgurl.net/aue/sundown.jpg For those of a less than pleasant personality, you will note the sun is still up in my party photograph. No problem! This also reminds me of my childhood, reminds me of an incident when my uncle and I are refused service in a greasy spoon diner because we declined to sit in the diner section clearly labeled "colored" back around 1966. I have related this story previously; no need to repeat. Purl Gurl - callipygian brown > Reminds of an old sign in my collection of Indian "things." > > http://www.purlgurl.net/aue/sundown.jpg Anadarko after dark (in 1958) was a dangerous place. A Paleface like me had to know someone (the leader of the local girls, in my case) to be safe while attending the dances at the gravel pit. Nobody knew that I was a dogface at the time. I was just a pool-shootin' fool. SignatureSkitt Jes' fine! >> Reminds of an old sign in my collection of Indian "things." >> http://www.purlgurl.net/aue/sundown.jpg > Anadarko after dark (in 1958) was a dangerous place. A Paleface like me > had to know someone (the leader of the local girls, in my case) to be > safe while attending the dances at the gravel pit. Nobody knew that I > was a dogface at the time. I was just a pool-shootin' fool. Skitt, I well remember your story of your Indian girlfriend saving your white hide so long ago. There is still much truth to your story to this very day; whites do not enter Indian lands without an Indian friend escort or are already known to be a friend to Indians. I would be remiss to deny racism cuts both ways. Color has nothing to do with racism. I know of blacks, reds, yellows, all colors of people who are just as racist as whites. A girlfriend of mine recently earned her BS in History and is now a teacher. She is older like me, a mom to many children, a grandmother and all that. She needed to wait until older before her family could afford to have her attend college. She invites me to attend a History class with her, just for fun. She is attending my old school. Some in this class are Indians. She is Hispanic and, of course, none can tell what breed am I other than some breed. She looks Indian, not Mexican. You would think her Mexican accent would give her away, but no. We are chatting it up with these Indian students when some questions come about regarding Hispanic history. During discussion my girlfriend corrects some assumptions; she is Hispanic, not Indian. This became an awkward moment. Later in time, she discovered her Indian student friends would no longer socialize with her, nor me. They were not rude or anything, they simply would not "hang out" with us. Racism has nothing to do with skin color. However, these issues run much deeper. I believe in the case of these young Indian students, they were exhibiting a basic mistrust of others who are not Indian, and remaining as a closed group to enjoy some feeling of security. Indians, typically, tend to stick with their own being uncomfortable in mixed crowds. However, as you, Skitt, learned decades back, if you are white, never walk into a honky tonk Indian bar, least not without your Indian girl! Your story is very endearing and a story I will never forget. Purl Gurl > However, as you, Skitt, learned decades back, if you are white, never > walk into a honky tonk Indian bar, least not without your Indian girl! > > Your story is very endearing and a story I will never forget. Thanks. There was that first time in town -- the incident in the pool hall -- when I didn't have anyone who knew me there, and I was mouthing off ... My skill at getting the snooker balls in the pockets was what saved me then. Lucky me, but that made me an OK guy. SignatureSkitt Jes' fine! [ ... ] > I have related this story previously; no need to repeat. Hallelujah! We can expect the Messiah any minute now. SignatureBob Lieblich Or in a couple of thousand years -- whatever ... >>>> At least I haven't got a lardy butt. >>>>> No suprise you are an old man who behaves as a >>>>> childish school yard bully. >>> There ya go! >> Note: no substantive rejoinder. I win. > http://www.purlgurl.net/aue/party01.jpg This will be fun for many of you boys. Which of these butts at a beauty contest is mine? Which butt won this contest? You will be surprised! ...or maybe not. Being responsible, an advisory. There are a good number of nude women displaying their bare bottoms. Not a joke. If you are offended by nudity, even soft appropriate nudity, do not follow this link, I am being sincere; this photograph is of nude women at a nudist beauty contest. (only butts show) (nudity): http://www.purlgurl.net/aue/nudist04.jpg Please, if you are offended by soft nudity, do not view my photograph. Please, no complaints. Our resident censor, Robert Lieblich, has not censored this photo. Ok, William, you are our resident butt expert and world renown butt critic, which butt is mine? Well, William, which big fat lard butt is mine? William, your turn to share a picture of your butt. You are not fearful of having people critique your butt, yes? Ok, William, big boy, let's see your butt. Cast your vote for the best butt! For conformity, butts are numbered 1 through 9, inclusively, left to right, yes, your left and your right as you view, as if reading. I vote butt number 4! Purl Gurl > Cast your vote for the best butt! For conformity, butts are > numbered 1 through 9, inclusively, left to right, yes, your > left and your right as you view, as if reading. > > I vote butt number 4! So do I. SignatureAlec McKenzie usenet@<surname>.me.uk >> Cast your vote for the best butt! For conformity, butts are >> numbered 1 through 9, inclusively, left to right, yes, your >> left and your right as you view, as if reading. >> I vote butt number 4! > So do I. ...and butt number four takes the lead by two cheeks! What an exciting race, folks! Look out, here comes butt number five around the backside! Number five is lagging behind number four by only a few hairs! This race will prove to be a tight one! No rear seats for this big race! Folks, I am so excited I am wiggling my seat! Purl Gurl >> Cast your vote for the best butt! For conformity, butts are >> numbered 1 through 9, inclusively, left to right, yes, your >> left and your right as you view, as if reading. >> I vote butt number 4! > So do I. You are a good sport! You are a fun person! To reward you, I will turn all of us girls around, then email you a secret location to this new photograph. Purl Gurl > This will be fun for many of you boys. Which of these butts at a > beauty contest is mine? Which butt won this contest? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > follow this link, I am being sincere; this photograph is of > nude women at a nudist beauty contest. (only butts show) That's not true at all. There are legs and backs and arms and the backs of heads, too. [snip] > Cast your vote for the best butt! For conformity, butts are > numbered 1 through 9, inclusively, left to right, yes, your > left and your right as you view, as if reading. > > I vote butt number 4! I'd have to agree. Number 8's not bad, either, but she could definitely use some sun. Then probably number 5. Just going by butts. SignatureEvan Kirshenbaum +------------------------------------ HP Laboratories |There is no such thing as bad data, 1501 Page Mill Road, 1U, MS 1141 |only data from bad homes. Palo Alto, CA 94304 kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com (650)857-7572 http://www.kirshenbaum.net/ (snipping and laughing) >>This will be fun for many of you boys. Which of these butts at a >>beauty contest is mine? Which butt won this contest? >> follow this link, I am being sincere; this photograph is of >> nude women at a nudist beauty contest. (only butts show) >> Cast your vote for the best butt! For conformity, butts are >> numbered 1 through 9, inclusively, left to right, yes, your >> left and your right as you view, as if reading. >> I vote butt number 4! > I'd have to agree. Number 8's not bad, either, but she could > definitely use some sun. Then probably number 5. Just going by > butts. Let me tell you folks, this is the most exciting race I've watched! I can tell you this is no ordinary bum race, yes sir, I can, can! Coming out of the backside, number four still leads by a bare tail, and look at number five and number eight, running cheek-to-cheek and right on number four's posterior! Such excitement, a tight group, none behind, all right on the rearend of number four, five and eight! No lazy keisters in this race, this excitement has me off my seat! When this race is over, this will be quite a tale to tell! Purl Gurl >> This will be fun for many of you boys. Which of these butts at a >> beauty contest is mine? Which butt won this contest? >> Cast your vote for the best butt! For conformity, butts are >> numbered 1 through 9, inclusively, left to right, yes, your >> left and your right as you view, as if reading. >> I vote butt number 4! > I'd have to agree. Number 8's not bad, either, but she could > definitely use some sun. Then probably number 5. Just going by > butts. Uh huh, so your perception is a bit of color to the skin is more attractive. Swedish girls might disagree! I am, of course, leading into crafted personal perception but will wait to write one of my long ever-so-boring discussions; butt voting is not finished. Nonetheless, I will comment the many have a perception of nudists as being psychotic sun worshippers who prefer to be tanned to a point of appearing to be beef jerky. Many are tanned, of course. There are also many nudists who are as lily white as your butt. Quite the contrast this. Today, this Goth fashion rage calls for the most pale and white skin possible; a deathly vampire look. This is a return to blue blood aristocracy. Not long back, a hundred years and a bit, pale white skin is the dress of the rich and elite, the dress of the ruling class. This expression "blue blood" associated with royalty, comes about from women of royalty having such sheltered pale translucent white skin, those women have a bluish hue given by darkish blood flowing back to heart. Those women literally enjoyed a bluish tint which is depicted in many works of antiquated art; those artists of the time period gave skin of women sitting for portrait, a blue hue. So, more color to the skin is one of your criteria for beauty! You must find me to be a stunning beauty, based on skin color. Do you find "black" skin more attractive than "brown" skin? Purl Gurl >> I'd have to agree. Number 8's not bad, either, but she could >> definitely use some sun. Then probably number 5. Just going by >> butts. > > Uh huh, so your perception is a bit of color to the skin is > more attractive. Swedish girls might disagree! It's not neccessarily "more is better", but I think I have a threshold below which it starts to look "pasty" and even a bit unhealthy to me. Which, of course, doesn't necessarily render someone unattractive as a whole. > Nonetheless, I will comment the many have a perception of nudists as > being psychotic sun worshippers who prefer to be tanned to a point > of appearing to be beef jerky. Many, perhaps, but I'm not among them. > Many are tanned, of course. There are also many nudists who are as > lily white as your butt. How lily white do you think my butt is? Looking at the picture again, I'd probably put it at about 3, outside her tan line. But I don't know how it would show up in such a picture. (Other than a fair bit hairier.) Out of curiousity, what's with the silly shoes? > Quite the contrast this. Today, this Goth fashion rage calls for the > most pale and white skin possible; a deathly vampire look. This is [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > depicted in many works of antiquated art; those artists of the > time period gave skin of women sitting for portrait, a blue hue. It's an interesting trend. Pale skin was a sign of wealth--you didn't have to spend your days working in the sun. Later, pale skin was an indicator of poverty--you spent your days working indoors in a factory, and a tan became an indicator of wealth--you could afford to just lounge around on the beach. I don't think the Goth look is the same thing, though. It seems to be more a mark of rebellion. > So, more color to the skin is one of your criteria for beauty! But just one, and not in a monotonic way. > You must find me to be a stunning beauty, based on skin color. From what I can recall, your skin color is in the range that I would find a positive characteristic. > Do you find "black" skin more attractive than "brown" skin? It's hard to consider a single characteristic like that without bringing to mind entire faces and bodies as exemplars, but introspecting, I'd have to say no. But I'm not sure I'm answering the question you're asking. By the quotes around "black" do you mean "African-American" or do you truly mean skin dark enough that it could really be considered "black"? I initially took you to be asking the latter, and I've seen such skin, but it's not common. It's certainly not necessarily unattractive to me, but I'd say that as a single characteristic it would be less of a positive than a richer brown. (I once saw somebody whose truly black skin was due to his recently having been near a gas pump that exploded, and I can unequivally say that his skin was not attractive.) I'd also say that there's a difference between "beauty" and "attractive". Many faces and bodies are very attractive without being beautiful. And some manage to be beautiful without being really attractive. SignatureEvan Kirshenbaum +------------------------------------ HP Laboratories |Pious Jews have a category of 1501 Page Mill Road, 1U, MS 1141 |questions that can harmlessly be Palo Alto, CA 94304 |allowed to go without an answer |until the Messiah comes. I suspect kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com |that this is one of them. (650)857-7572 | Joseph C. Fineman http://www.kirshenbaum.net/ (snipped a bit) You stand accused of being an intelligent man. How do you plead? Guilty, Not Guilty, No Contest or Innocent By Reason Of Insanity (permanent or temporary)? >>> I'd have to agree. Number 8's not bad, either, but she could >>> definitely use some sun. Then probably number 5. Just going by >>> butts. >> Uh huh, so your perception is a bit of color to the skin is >> more attractive. Swedish girls might disagree! > It's not neccessarily "more is better", but I think I have a threshold > below which it starts to look "pasty" and even a bit unhealthy to me. > Which, of course, doesn't necessarily render someone unattractive as a > whole. Rather interesting Eskimos, who are forever clothed, are dark skinned. Yes, we all have our subjective standards which define what is pretty and what is not. However, there does seem to be a consensus your "pasty" white skin appears, not ugly, but unhealthy. Of recent, medical science is now advising us some sun, some tanning, is healthy for us being related to vitamin D production. Might be our perception of "pasty" skin is actually an instinctive drive rather than subjective opinion. Nonetheless, number eight has an exceptionally attractive bum, despite her being quite white. The shape, condition and sight of her bum does seem of more importance than skin color. > How lily white do you think my butt is? Snake belly white. > Out of curiousity, what's with the silly shoes? Ha! Ha! Once again personal subjective opinion comes into play. Besides, we all know nudists are silly. I would ask, "Why do beauty contests, like Ms. Universe, during swim suit competition, why have the girls wear high heel shoes?" This is one of our social standards, abeit rather silly. These are "things" we do without thought. My interest is on the gal wearing purple shoes. She is the only to wear wild colors and she does stand tall, erect and proud. She marks herself as being unique amongst butts of the world. She is completely focused within, focused on her objective, to be proud of herself. >>Not long back, a hundred years and a bit, pale white skin is the >>dress of the rich and elite, the dress of the ruling class. This >>expression "blue blood" associated with royalty, comes about from >>women of royalty having such sheltered pale translucent white skin, > It's an interesting trend. Pale skin was a sign of wealth--you didn't > have to spend your days working in the sun. Later, pale skin was an > indicator of poverty--you spent your days working indoors in a > factory, and a tan became an indicator of wealth--you could afford to > just lounge around on the beach. I don't think the Goth look is the > same thing, though. It seems to be more a mark of rebellion. Exactly, Evan. Working on maintaining a topic of English language, our words and our understanding of words, change with social mores and social behavior. Today, we have a label "blue collar worker" and we associate this with tanned skinned and sun wrinkled faces, along with hard work; driving nails, welding, jack hammering... Our "white collar workers" are thought of quite different! Yes, the rich and elite are associated with being tanned, but not so just a hundred years or so back. Our word associations with having a tan or not having a tan, have changed dramatically over a short period of time. Of most interest to me is our associating meanings of words with our physical attributes. >> Do you find "black" skin more attractive than "brown" skin? > It's hard to consider a single characteristic like that without > bringing to mind entire faces and bodies as exemplars, but [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > having been near a gas pump that exploded, and I can unequivally say > that his skin was not attractive.) Uh oh! What was once not a problem, is now a major problem. We have associated "political correctness" so strongly with select words, we are afraid to discuss skin color. Should we mention a skin color other than white, we are instantly on edge, instantly careful how we pick and use our words. In my Choctaw language, we do refer to people by skin color to identify, but there are no racial overtones. I highlight "black" because there are no true black people. Some come very close but I consider those of dark skin to be rich chocolate brown. Adding humor to these racially sensitive issues is "white" Michael Jackson. I note your use of "single characteristic" term to qualify which is more pretty, black or brown. You choose your words carefully. Blacks have a more difficult time changing skin color, nonetheless, blacks tan just as do whites. For this case, with whites, we are able to more easily "see" a change in skin color leading us to categorize "tanned" as more attractive than naturally dark skin. This is not relative to actual skin color rather is relative to our perceived notion of a person engaging in activities we find attractive; string bikinis, seductive tan lines, leisure time, wealth and such. To close, we associate many activities with select words, and these associations change as a culture changes perception of our world. The pasty white princess was once beautiful, now she is to be taken to a hospital to be sure she is not anemic and about to die. On butts, I knew before providing my photograph which butt would win a beauty contest, and which two butts would tie for second place. However, the final outcome of this nudist beauty contest is quite different than would be expected! Some may think my providing this photograph to be perverse, but this is truly an excellent study in Cultural Anthropology and language development. Purl Gurl > Exactly, Evan. Working on maintaining a topic of English language, > our words and our understanding of words, change with social mores [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Our "white collar workers" are thought of quite different! More to the point, "blue collar" jobs were ones in which you could expect to get dirty, blue shirts not showing grease stains as much as white ones. A white collar was a statement that "I work in a job that doesn't require me to get my hands dirty" and also probably a bit of "I can afford to have my laundry done more often". SignatureEvan Kirshenbaum +------------------------------------ HP Laboratories |Bullwinkle: You sure that's the 1501 Page Mill Road, 1U, MS 1141 | only way? Palo Alto, CA 94304 |Rocky: Well, if you're going to be | a hero, you've got to do kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com | stupid things every once in (650)857-7572 | a while. http://www.kirshenbaum.net/ >> Exactly, Evan. Working on maintaining a topic of English language, >> our words and our understanding of words, change with social mores >> and social behavior. Today, we have a label "blue collar worker" and >> we associate this with tanned skinned and sun wrinkled faces, along >> with hard work; driving nails, welding, jack hammering... >> Our "white collar workers" are thought of quite different! > More to the point, "blue collar" jobs were ones in which you could > expect to get dirty, blue shirts not showing grease stains as much as > white ones. A white collar was a statement that "I work in a job that > doesn't require me to get my hands dirty" and also probably a bit of > "I can afford to have my laundry done more often". This so fascinating for me. We develop these small catch phrases which tell a story which is centuries in the makings, much like my Choctaw language, about which I rant so much. Once again, times are changing. Our blue collar "salt of the earth" workers, my most favorite type of people, these ordinary hard working people are becoming the most respected of all. Today, in most western societies, we are beginning to view white collar workers as used car salespersons and politicians. With so much financial crime (Wall Street) and political corruption, we are changing our life goal of becoming white collar to proudly remaining blue collar. We are living a time period when many of our words and phrases are undergoing dramatic changes in meaning. Reminds me of a story, of course! Months back we finish off a garage at a rental. This garage turns out wonderful, all finished off inside, ceilings, walls, nice paint, fit to live in. Our tenant boy, just turned legal drinking age, is looking and bragging, "This is sick! Really sick!" Ok. To top this off, he gives my husband a new T-shirt, a black shirt with skulls on the back, surrounded by words, "I E Too Sick" making this doubtful my husband will ever wear this shirt. Makes a good dust rag, however. I have not a clue what this "I E Too Sick" means, but do know the shirt clashes with my old man's cowboy hat. I am sure I will never wrap my mind around "too sick" meaning something really good. Perhaps our being older is a blessing; we will die before suffering all these new catch phrases coming about. Purl Gurl * I am looking at this shirt, I E (two devil skulls) Too Sick I think this is nightclub, "Inland Empire Too Sick" > This will be fun for many of you boys. Which of these butts > at a beauty contest is mine? Which butt won this contest? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > (nudity): http://www.purlgurl.net/aue/nudist04.jpg Where's the one-legged man? Matthew Huntbach >> (nudity): http://www.purlgurl.net/aue/nudist04.jpg > > Where's the one-legged man? You have to look at the other side of the picture. SignaturePeter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org Please note the changed e-mail and web addresses. The domain eepjm.newcastle.edu.au no longer exists, and I can no longer receive mail at my newcastle.edu.au addresses. The optusnet address could disappear at any time. >>> (nudity): http://www.purlgurl.net/aue/nudist04.jpg >> Where's the one-legged man? > You have to look at the other side of the picture. * grins * I have the flip side of this picture, and more. Should you boys appropriately beg, I will turn us girls around, and expose a watching one-legged man busy jumping up and down being so darn excited. As always, I have much commentary to make on circumstances I have presented for you. This is to wait, however; voting is not yet closed. Your voting booth remains open. Cast your votes, boys! Which is your favorite butt? Vote today, vote now! Purl Gurl [yawn-inducing arse-centric logorrhoea snipped] > Ok, William, you are our resident butt expert and world > renown butt critic, which butt is mine? I assume you mean "world renownED". [more yawn-inducing arse-centric logorrhoea snipped] > I vote butt number 4! Unlike you, I'm not obsessed with arses, so frankly I couldn't care. Nor do I have any pictures which display my arse, and I have neither the time nor the inclination to obtain such a thing. I have no fear at all of anyone "critiquing my butt" - but a more pointless waste of everyone's time I cannot conceive. I'm sure you can deduce from prior evidence that it's the posterior of a lean, mean racing machine. > Unlike you, I'm not obsessed with arses, so frankly I couldn't care. > Nor do I have any pictures which display my arse, and I have neither > the time nor the inclination to obtain such a thing. I have no fear > at all of anyone "critiquing my butt" - but a more pointless waste of > everyone's time I cannot conceive. I'm sure you can deduce from prior > evidence that it's the posterior of a lean, mean racing machine. "...lean, mean racing machine." At your stage of life, you are only fooling yourself. You are a gray haired balding old man on the fast downhill side slide into Decrepit Canyon. Aging happens to all of us. You are no unique exception. However, your perception of yourself as a leaping Johnny Depp pirate, is much in keeping with your childish behavior which, I suspect, is directly related to your entering an advanced age second childhood. Others may critique your childish a.s, at will. However, you remain fearful of having others critique your butt. Being a typical man, you boast of a large penis and a tight a.s, yet found in your medicine cabinet is a container of Viagra, just as is found within you, a fragile masculine ego in charge of your mind and your thinking. There is a distinct difference between the two of us. You are enslaved by your egotistical fears. I have made a slave of my ego. You are a school yard bully. I am a delightful chubby playmate. http://www.purlgurl.net/aue/bicycle02.jpg Purl Gurl [...] > At your stage of life, you are only fooling yourself. You are > a gray haired balding old man on the fast downhill side slide > into Decrepit Canyon. I went grey at 28. Not balding either - at least not standard male pattern baldness. Not that I care, particularly - I just love it when you're wrong, again. > Aging happens to all of us. You are no unique exception. Gee, thanks for your perceptive insight. Where would we all be without your deep knowledge of what it is to be human? > However, your perception of yourself as a leaping Johnny Depp > pirate, is much in keeping with your childish behavior which, > I suspect, is directly related to your entering an advanced age > second childhood. At the age of 50 I'm running 10k and half marathon races at more or less the same pace as I was when I started running in 1983 - approximately 37 mins for 10k, 1h 20m for half marathon. Not a leaping pirate, not a world-class Olympian, not a fat-arsed, egotistical bully either. > Others may critique your childish a.s, at will. However, you > remain fearful of having others critique your butt. No I don't. I. Just. Don't. Care. I'm. Really. Not. Interested. In. Arses. > Being a > typical man, you boast of a large penis and a tight a.s, yet > found in your medicine cabinet is a container of Viagra, just > as is found within you, a fragile masculine ego in charge > of your mind and your thinking. You know less than f.ck-all about me, and let's be honest - less than f.ck-all about men in general. You "leverage" your alleged Amerindian heritage to give yourself some sort of gruesome, folksy, quasi- Shamanic aura, as if being born with a certain set of genes predisposes one to be better at dispensing hokum than anyone else. Well, I'm not fooled by your endless, self-satisfied stories about life on the reservation, talking to coyotes and all the rest of the new age bollix you come out with. For your information, my penis is of extremely average size, both in terms of length and girth. I know - I have been in enough public changing rooms to have formed an informed opinion. You haven't. Nor do I have any Viagra - nor is my ego so fragile that I would be ashamed to admit it if I had. > There is a distinct difference between the two of us. You are > enslaved by your egotistical fears. I have made a slave of my ego. > You are a school yard bully. I am a delightful chubby playmate. You are actually the bully here. That you can't see it is further evidence of the fraudulence of your self-image as some kind of pan- aware fount of homespun wisdom. No-one here - not even the late, unlamented DE798798345, had an ego as big as yours. Why else would you torment us with your ceaseless Me! Me! Me! prattle, and your sad delusion that any of us STILL has a hankering to see another picture of your f.cking arse. Speaking for myself, this "boy" has seen enough of your arse, and read enough of your "English", to last a lifetime. Why not take your whole bizarre persona to alt.kooks, where I'm sure you'd fit in just fine? >> At your stage of life, you are only fooling yourself. You are >> a gray haired balding old man on the fast downhill side slide >> into Decrepit Canyon. > I went grey at 28. Not balding either - at least not standard male > pattern baldness. Not that I care, particularly - I just love it when > you're wrong, again. >> Aging happens to all of us. You are no unique exception. > Gee, thanks for your perceptive insight. Where would we all be > without your deep knowledge of what it is to be human? >> However, your perception of yourself as a leaping Johnny Depp >> pirate, is much in keeping with your childish behavior which, >> I suspect, is directly related to your entering an advanced age >> second childhood. > At the age of 50 I'm running 10k and half marathon races at more or > less the same pace as I was when I started running in 1983 - > approximately 37 mins for 10k, 1h 20m for half marathon. Not a > leaping pirate, not a world-class Olympian, not a fat-arsed, > egotistical bully either. >> Others may critique your childish a.s, at will. However, you >> remain fearful of having others critique your butt. > No I don't. I. Just. Don't. Care. I'm. Really. Not. Interested. In. > Arses. >> Being a typical man, you boast of a large penis and a tight a.s, yet >>found in your medicine cabinet is a container of Viagra, just as is found >> within you, a fragile masculine ego in charge of your mind and your thinking. > You know less than f.ck-all about me, and let's be honest - less than > f.ck-all about men in general. You "leverage" your alleged Amerindian [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > opinion. You haven't. Nor do I have any Viagra - nor is my ego so > fragile that I would be ashamed to admit it if I had. >> There is a distinct difference between the two of us. You are >> enslaved by your egotistical fears. I have made a slave of my ego. >> You are a school yard bully. I am a delightful chubby playmate. > You are actually the bully here. That you can't see it is further > evidence of the fraudulence of your self-image as some kind of pan- [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Why not take your whole bizarre persona to alt.kooks, where I'm sure > you'd fit in just fine? YEEEE HAWWW! God Damn! You are such a rodeo riding stud! Say, you are pretty spunky for a gray haired, balding old man! http://www.purlgurl.net/aue/rodeo01.jpg Purl Gurl > At the age of 50 I'm running 10k and half marathon races at more or Fascinating! My research indicates you are over sixty years of age, indicates you are a crack head and indicates you are a former two pack a day smoker. You still off those cigarettes? This crack cocaine habit of yours certainly explains your displayed mental state! Ride 'em cowboy! Purl Gurl (snipped) > This will be fun for many of you boys. Which of these butts > at a beauty contest is mine? Which butt won this contest? > You will be surprised! ...or maybe not. > Being responsible, an advisory. There are a good number of > nude women displaying their bare bottoms. Not a joke. If you > are offended by nudity, even soft appropriate nudity, do not > follow this link, I am being sincere; this photograph is of > nude women at a nudist beauty contest. (only butts show) > (nudity): http://www.purlgurl.net/aue/nudist04.jpg > Please, if you are offended by soft nudity, do not > view my photograph. Please, no complaints. Our resident > censor, Robert Lieblich, has not censored this photo. Voting is now closed! This butt contest is now behind us! Before results, my thanks to you boys who are good sports, who joined in on some fun through your voting and adding enjoyable commentary. You add to fun and this is appreciated. Butt number 4 is the winner! Butts number 5 and number 8 are cheek-to-cheek for second place. Of course, all other butts delightfully bring up the rear. I would enjoy turning us girls around for you, but this would be pushing the envelope a bit too far. However, there is a note worthy of mention. Our winner, butt number 4, has the smallest breasts of all us girls, very pretty, be sure, but very small. Interesting, yes? I am guessing your perception is the girl with the most pretty ("purdy") butt would also have the most attractive breasts. Nonetheless, she is highly respected, as are all contestants, for not taking the "plastic" path. Nudism is all about being natural, as Mother Nature intends. Out there in the real world, butt number 9 won this beauty contest. Her flip side is exceptionally pretty! Truth is, quite a bit of these contests are based on personality and displayed effort. If you are curious which butt is mine, ask Evan, he knows! Before presenting this offbeat event to you readers, I already knew which butt would be picked as a winner; always number 4, followed by number 5 and 8 with equal standing. I have conducted this survey before, using university students as test subjects, as viewers, not as beauty contestants! Evan's comments about the "whiteness" of butt number 8 is common. I have read his comments before, over the years. Tan or no tan does play an important part in our perception of health and beauty. This photograph is local to our city. I have hundreds of photos like this. Best contest is our annual "American Indian" contest! Yes, I am gathering attention for myself just as each of you do. All would be remiss to not admit the foremost reason each of you participate in a newsgroup is you enjoy this attention given to you. I am also leading you into what I hope will an interesting topic. Back in 1986, our girl finally began Kindergarten, allowing me time to attend college, while my husband worked, our daughter is in school, and allowed time for me to work nightshifts. I have uploaded a couple of documents from my beginning years in college. Over many years of earning my degrees, I enjoyed dual minors, Cultural and Physical Anthropology, along with studies of American Indians, of course! http://www.purlgurl.net/aue/anthro01.jpg http://www.purlgurl.net/aue/anthro02.jpg Before the time of affordable computers and word processors, those documents are typed on a manual typewriter! Make fun of my writing skills, and I will join right in with you to make fun of myself. Yes, my graphs are hand drawn and my writing skills are not good. Yes, an "and/or" is in there, a construct I never use these days. This is a time of our lives when we are fresh off the farm from Oklahoma, very poor and poorly educated. We are struggling. This old assignment is presented to establish a base for my mindset, which is one of researching, but looking into offbeat, very different topics, during a time when these topics are not well accepted. I have not changed one bit and require similar topics of my students. Researching and learning is amongst my most favorite activities, along with attending classes, to this day. This nudist beauty contest I presented for you has predictable results, just as my low level research and graph are predictable back in 1986. Our perception of all things is shaped and molded by upbringing and by peer group pressure. Those fun boys who joined in on voting, their votes are predictable. They, all of us, our perception of beauty is shaped and molded by many societal factors but foremost, by media. We are taught a certain shape of a butt, a certain look of a butt, we are taught certain criteria for butt beauty. We are molded by the most beautiful and the most handsome of men; models. Truth is we are molded by plastic surgery, fancy makeup artists, high fashion clothes and surroundings and most important, by airbrushed, altered and enhanced photographs which no longer portray a real person, rather a shaped and molded faux image of a person. In keeping with our topic of English language usage, over the years I presented to students photographs, including the beauty contest photo you viewed. Unlike here, some of my surveys ask students to list words which best describe each "thing" they see in a photograph. Clearly this type of survey develops lists of words which are currently popular for describing specific viewed "things" such as butts. This word we have discussed, "callipygian" never appeared on any lists. However, I taught this word to many students; obscure words lead to good understanding of language and unique usage of language. A lot of imaginative words did appear, however! These words we use, a lot of those words enjoy dynamic ever changing meanings in keeping with how peer group pressure, media and other factors of influence, change and define those words. Our English language is truly a product of consensus perception and mass media. Avoiding length here, our words are affected and effected by gender, socioeconomic status, education level, geographic region and even by culture taught mores and family taught morals. Many factors play a part in our words, but foremost, peer group and mass media. A point here is our English language, our words, cannot be strictly defined, nor can our grammar rules. All words, sentences, paragraphs and writings, are controlled by many culturally based factors, not by dictionaries nor by grammar books. We must be willing to be very flexible in both our writing and understanding writings. Should you be unwilling to be flexible with language usage, you will never master this fine art of language. I invite you, the reader, to select an object at random, maybe look at my beauty contest photograph, then scribble down a short list of words which best describe or are associated with what you see. You will discover you are more fluent in language usage than thought. Purl Gurl > (snipped) > [quoted text clipped - 136 lines] > > Purl Gurl Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah What's the matter? It's all about me, isn't it? -- Al in St. Lou, unwinding with rum and coke after two very hard weeks (snipped) > Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah > What's the matter? It's all about me, isn't it? Rather rude of you to waste reader's time with your poorly written childish dribble. > Al in St. Lou, unwinding with rum and coke after two very hard weeks A need to drink alcoholic beverages in order to cope with challenges of life is a clear warning signal of being at risk of suffering alcoholism. The nature of your past and current writings suggests you are frequently intoxicated. Purl Gurl > (snipped) > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Rather rude of you to waste reader's time with > your poorly written childish dribble. OMG! Have you heard of a psychological term called "projection"? Thanks for the best laugh I've had it yonks! > > Al in St. Lou, unwinding with rum and coke after two very hard weeks > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > The nature of your past and current writings suggests you > are frequently intoxicated. Hmmm, I wish, but you're sadly mistaken. -- Al in St. Lou >> (snipped) >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > OMG! Have you heard of a psychological term called "projection"? Call it what it is: an ego-defense mechanism. Right up there with "reaction formation" in this case. Hmm ... "case". A propism? SignatureFrank ess [...] > Voting is now closed! This butt contest is now behind us! Hooray! [Boring, irrelevant, poorly-written crap about which arse this self- obsessed twat thinks is the best snipped] > I would enjoy turning us girls around for you, but this would > be pushing the envelope a bit too far. However, there is a note [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > are all contestants, for not taking the "plastic" path. Nudism > is all about being natural, as Mother Nature intends. f.cking hell, you don't know when to shuddup, do you? Interesting? No. All contestants are highly respected for not lamping you, particularly if you talk to them in this school-marmy smarmy tone. [More sub-English drivel snipped] > If you are curious which butt is mine, ask Evan, he knows! Poor Evan - what's he done to you to deserve such punishment? > Before presenting this offbeat event to you readers, I already > knew which butt would be picked as a winner; always number 4, > followed by number 5 and 8 with equal standing. I have conducted > this survey before, using university students as test subjects, > as viewers, not as beauty contestants! Which university would that be? What course? No, wait - I know - Masters in Frisbee Throwing at UCLA Berkeley. [More wearisome slop removed] > Yes, I am gathering attention for myself just as each of you do. > All would be remiss to not admit the foremost reason each of you > participate in a newsgroup is you enjoy this attention given to you. > I am also leading you into what I hope will an interesting topic. Hope away, you'll always be wrong about what's interesting to real people. > Back in 1986, our girl finally began Kindergarten, allowing me time to > attend college, while my husband worked, our daughter is in school, and [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > documents are typed on a manual typewriter! Make fun of my writing > skills, and I will join right in with you to make fun of myself. Jesus, she's hit paydirt! Finally, we have her imprimatur to make fun of her writing skills. Trouble is, where to start? it' s like panning for gold without luck for five years, and then realising you pitched your tent over a ten ton boulder of purest metal. > Yes, my graphs are hand drawn and my writing skills are not good. You can say that again. Actually, I think your writing skills are practically non-existent, which, if you hadn't been so obsessed with your own arse and had actually read what people have written here, you'd have realised long ago . > Yes, an "and/or" is in there, a construct I never use these days. There are many useful English constructs you never use. Commas seem to be in short supply, as are semi-colons, colons, dashes, prepositions, conjunctions, indefinite and definite articles - more or less everything except the words "I", "me", "my" and "butt". > This is a time of our lives when we are fresh off the farm from > Oklahoma, very poor and poorly educated. We are struggling. All that struggle and you made no progress with your education. Shame. > This old assignment is presented to establish a base for my mindset, > which is one of researching, but looking into offbeat, very different > topics, during a time when these topics are not well accepted. I have > not changed one bit and require similar topics of my students. You're losing the audience, dearie. > Researching and learning is amongst my most favorite activities, along > with attending classes, to this day. Well then, why do you waste so much time hectoring the poor folks in AUE? > This nudist beauty contest I presented for you has predictable results, > just as my low level research and graph are predictable back in 1986. Predictably dull, having no interest to anyone except some very polite individuals and yourself. > Our perception of all things is shaped and molded by upbringing and by > peer group pressure. Those fun boys who joined in on voting, their votes > are predictable. They, all of us, our perception of beauty is shaped and > molded by many societal factors but foremost, by media. Completely wrong. Where's your evidence? There's a much stronger argument that perception of beauty is hard-wired, or comes from your perception of your parents and immediate family. > We are taught a > certain shape of a butt, a certain look of a butt, we are taught certain [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > by airbrushed, altered and enhanced photographs which no longer portray > a real person, rather a shaped and molded faux image of a person. Actually most normal people care more about what's behind someone's face than what they sport in the back of their trousers. Only sad degenerates like you go on and on and on and on about arses. Maybe you're a gay guy in a woman's body - I think we should be told. > In keeping with our topic of English language usage, Heavens be praised! > over the years I > presented to students photographs, including the beauty contest photo > you viewed. Yeah, you said already. If anything, it's slightly duller the second time. > Unlike here, some of my surveys ask students to list words > which best describe each "thing" they see in a photograph. Arse, rear, buttocks, sh.tter, flab, cellulite. Do I win a prize? > Clearly this type of survey develops lists of words which are currently > popular for describing specific viewed "things" such as butts. > This word we have discussed, "callipygian" never appeared on any lists. > However, I taught this word to many students; obscure words lead to > good understanding of language and unique usage of language. No, they mark you out as at best a pseud, and at worst (when combined with your bizarre ideas about English "usage") as someone who randomly raids the dictionary. > A lot of imaginative words did appear, however! > These words we use, a lot of those words enjoy dynamic ever changing > meanings in keeping with how peer group pressure, media and other > factors of influence, change and define those words. Our English > language is truly a product of consensus perception and mass media. Are you sure? I thought there was an "Academy Anglaise" that mandated our language. Shame, because if there was I'd arrange to have you arrested from crimes against English. > Avoiding length here, Stifles hysterical guffaw. > our words are affected and effected by gender, Nooo! > socioeconomic status, education level, geographic region and even > by culture taught mores and family taught morals. Many factors play > a part in our words, but foremost, peer group and mass media. You know, you really ought to teach English. I mean, you obviously know so much about it. Most of us boys are truly in awe of your insights and pithy observations. > A point here is our English language, our words, cannot be strictly > defined, nor can our grammar rules. All words, sentences, paragraphs [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > be unwilling to be flexible with language usage, you will never > master this fine art of language. Have you finished preaching to the choir, yet? > I invite you, the reader, to select an object at random, maybe look > at my beauty contest photograph, then scribble down a short list > of words which best describe or are associated with what you see. > You will discover you are more fluent in language usage than thought. I'm certainly more fluent in English than you, and I also understand its constructs better than you. Well, my eight-year old son is better at English than you, and makes a great deal more sense. Still, since you set a challenge, I choose the post to which you replay as an object at random - sorry, but I can't bring myself to look at that line of sh.tters again. So, a short list to describe your post: prolix verbose confused erroneous hectoring patronising condescending wrong fuckwittery tripe abject wrong confused Do I win a prize? > f.cking hell, you don't know when to shuddup, do you? Interesting? > No. So stop... replying... to her. SignatureSML On Mar 17, 4:09 pm, que.sara.saraDEL...@gmail.com (Sara Lorimer) wrote: > > f.cking hell, you don't know when to shuddup, do you? Interesting? > > No. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > -- > SML Ah, my dear Sara Moffat Lorimer, I just might take your advice even though it was not aimed, specifically, at me. She's a most amazing troll. -- Al in St. Lou On Mar 17, 9:09 pm, que.sara.saraDEL...@gmail.com (Sara Lorimer) wrote: > > f.cking hell, you don't know when to shuddup, do you? Interesting? > > No. > > So stop... replying... to her. Okay - will do. >On Mar 17, 9:09 pm, que.sara.saraDEL...@gmail.com (Sara Lorimer) >wrote: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Okay - will do. If one killfiled Greg Procter, Mike3 and PG, and all of the people who respond to them, there'd only be a handful of posters left in AUE. A sobering thought, wot? SignatureRobin Bignall Herts, England >>>> f.cking hell, you don't know when to shuddup, do you? Interesting? >>> So stop... replying... to her. >> Okay - will do. > If one killfiled Greg Procter, Mike3 and PG, and all of the people who > respond to them, there'd only be a handful of posters left in AUE. A > sobering thought, wot? Appears you folks are the odd lot out, and you are missing out on a lot of fun! There is much life out here, much going on out here beyond your Ivory Tower walls. We are the natives, we are the savages out here in these dark dangerous woods surrounding your Ivory Tower. Do you hear our drums beating? Yeah, Baby! A lively Caribbean beat driving a Hedonist festival! We are all naked, wiggling, jiggling, giggling and shaking our tail feathers! Yo ho! Pass me that bottle of Jamaican rum! You should take that bow tie off. You should let your hair down. You are missing out on life itself. This is sad. I feel sympathy for you in my heart. However, I am too busy having fun to take you by your hands, to lead you from your sheltered lives into these wilds we, out here, call life. Purl Gurl >>On Mar 17, 9:09 pm, que.sara.saraDEL...@gmail.com (Sara Lorimer) >>wrote: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >respond to them, there'd only be a handful of posters left in AUE. A >sobering thought, wot? It's cut my header list down to under 300 per day. Oleg Lego filted: >>If one killfiled Greg Procter, Mike3 and PG, and all of the people who >>respond to them, there'd only be a handful of posters left in AUE. A >>sobering thought, wot? > >It's cut my header list down to under 300 per day. I *have* killfiled Greg Procter...four times...and yet his messages still appear...he isn't changing his e-mail address each time, so I doubt it's something he's doing deliberately....r Signature"You got Schadenfreude on my Weltanschauung!" "You got Weltanschauung in my Schadenfreude!" >Oleg Lego filted: >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >appear...he isn't changing his e-mail address each time, so I doubt it's >something he's doing deliberately....r He's definitely not showing up here any more. Perhaps Direct Read News 4.70 is not working properly? Are you having this same problem with PG or mike3? Oleg Lego filted: >>I *have* killfiled Greg Procter...four times...and yet his messages still >>appear...he isn't changing his e-mail address each time, so I doubt it's [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >4.70 is not working properly? Are you having this same problem with PG >or mike3? Haven't killfiled either of them; see her, don't see him...earlier this evening I cleaned out my killfile of some dormant entries and tried adding Greg from there rather than from the "K" link on one of his messages...we'll see in a few hours if it made a difference....r Signature"You got Schadenfreude on my Weltanschauung!" "You got Weltanschauung in my Schadenfreude!" >Oleg Lego filted: >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >there rather than from the "K" link on one of his messages...we'll see in a few >hours if it made a difference....r I've done something I haven't done for years: mark four whole threads as "Ignore". (snipped) > Do I win a prize? Sure, Mr. Balmer. Here is your prize. Records reflect your purchasing and using crack cocaine around early December, 2006, and specifically purchasing and using crack cocaine on December 14, 2006 along with records reflecting you are a regular user of crack cocaine. Your crack dealer is over there in Bristol, England, yes? Those records are based upon your own words, as you know. You smoking crack cocaine today? Your writings do reflect thoughts of a permanently brain damaged crack head. A drug which makes you impotent and paranoid has got to be good sh.t! Purl Gurl > (snipped) > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > A drug which makes you impotent and paranoid has got to be good sh.t! There's a difference between cocaine and crack cocaine. (snipped) >>> Do I win a prize? >> Sure, Mr. Balmer. Here is your prize. >> Records reflect your purchasing and using crack cocaine >> around early December, 2006, and specifically purchasing >> and using crack cocaine on December 14, 2006 along with >> records reflecting you are a regular user of crack cocaine. >> Your crack dealer is over there in Bristol, England, yes? >> Those records are based upon your own words, as you know. >> You smoking crack cocaine today? Your writings do reflect >> thoughts of a permanently brain damaged crack head. >> A drug which makes you impotent and paranoid has got to be good sh.t! > There's a difference between cocaine and crack cocaine. Cocaine which smells of acetone is crack cocaine. Only difference is potency per set unit of measurement. Abuser perceived potency is often enhanced by stepping on cocaine with rat poison and other highly toxic substances. This is of no importance to a crack head such as yourself. You are an addict and do not care you are poisoning your body and destroying your mind chasing after an ever more allusive high. I find your approval of, promotion of and abuse of narcotics to be most morally repugnant and outright stupid. You have been harassing me for over a year, you have been subjecting readers to childish insults generously sprinkled with vulgarities, you have been creating a false facade of your being an intellectual "lean and mean racing machine" to impress the gullible. Seems to me this is an appropriate time to step on your poisoned ego with my own brand of toxin; highly toxic truth of your being nothing more than a brain damaged crack head addict. I understand you also abuse methamphetamine; a speed freak as well. Yippie yi yo ky yay, cowboy! Purl Gurl > destroying your mind chasing after an ever more allusive high. Make that "elusive" high. I suffered a brain fart. Purl Gurl - drug free, naturally stupid and proud to be [...] > > There's a difference between cocaine and crack cocaine. > > Cocaine which smells of acetone is crack cocaine. Only difference > is potency per set unit of measurement. Abuser perceived potency > is often enhanced by stepping on cocaine with rat poison and other > highly toxic substances. Wrong. You're thinking of free-base cocaine, where cocaine is treated with a solvent - most often ether, though acetone is sometimes used. Crack cocaine is produced using sodium bicarbonate. For your information (though the evidence so far would suggest that you're not particularly interested in facts) I have never taken crack cocaine, nor free base cocaine. In the past ten years I've probably consumed a total of about five grams of cocaine. More than you, for sure. Hardly likely, on the other hand, to lead to long term physical or mental problems, nor evidence of addiction. > This is of no importance to a crack head such as yourself. You > are an addict and do not care you are poisoning your body and > destroying your mind chasing after an ever more allusive high. Nope. Wrong, wrong, wrong. Not a crack head, not an addict. > I find your approval of, promotion of and abuse of narcotics to > be most morally repugnant and outright stupid. Your morals are your business and of no interest to me, though I'm rather surprised to find that you have any. I don't "promote" narcotics - I do, however, find the idea of the state determining what I may or may not introduce into my body highly questionable. The only stupid thing in the whole issue of narcotics is the idea that prohibiting them serves to restrict their availability or desirability (for evidence of the effectiveness of prohibiting narcotics, you need only look at the inner cities on both sides of the Atlantic). > Seems to me this is an appropriate time to step on your poisoned ego > with my own brand of toxin; highly toxic truth of your being nothing > more than a brain damaged crack head addict. Nope. Wrong, wrong, wrong. ObAUE - "brain damaged" is usually hyphenated. Maybe you've been drinking too much rum? > I understand you also abuse methamphetamine; a speed freak as well. Nope, never used methamphetamine. You need to get stronger reading glasses - I wrote "amphetamine sulphate" - a completely different substance. And that is my final word. Apologies to Sara Lorimer for my response. [snip Purl Gurl's prolix, verbose, confused, and erroneous shite] [below is William's answer to Purl Gurl's request to describe her writing] > prolix > verbose [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Do I win a prize? You deserve one! -- Al in St. Lou > I would enjoy turning us girls around for you, but this would be > pushing the envelope a bit too far. However, there is a note worthy [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > contestants, for not taking the "plastic" path. Nudism is all about > being natural, as Mother Nature intends. I'm intrigued by your apparent implication that "smallest" and "most attractive" are necessarily incompatible when it comes to breasts. SignatureEvan Kirshenbaum +------------------------------------ HP Laboratories |If the human brain were so simple 1501 Page Mill Road, 1U, MS 1141 |That we could understand it, Palo Alto, CA 94304 |We would be so simple |That we couldn't. kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com (650)857-7572 http://www.kirshenbaum.net/ >> I would enjoy turning us girls around for you, but this would be >> pushing the envelope a bit too far. However, there is a note worthy [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> contestants, for not taking the "plastic" path. Nudism is all about >> being natural, as Mother Nature intends. > I'm intrigued by your apparent implication that "smallest" and "most > attractive" are necessarily incompatible when it comes to breasts. Hey! I am working at being one of the boys around here. Almost all boys love great big melons, bigger, better. Might be enjoyable to move from a topic of women's butts to women's breasts. Shall we have a women's breasts contest? Purl Gurl (snipped) >> I'm intrigued by your apparent implication that "smallest" and "most >> attractive" are necessarily incompatible when it comes to breasts. > Shall we have a women's breasts contest? Here ya go, boys! 268 photographs of women's breasts. Call 'em as you like 'em. http://www.fotosearch.com/photos-images/bosom.html Purl Gurl >>> I would enjoy turning us girls around for you, but this would be >>> pushing the envelope a bit too far. However, there is a note worthy [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Hey! I am working at being one of the boys around here. > Almost all boys love great big melons, bigger, better. Not me, sez I. SignatureSkitt (in Hayward, California) http://www.geocities.com/opus731/ >>> I'm intrigued by your apparent implication that "smallest" and "most >>> attractive" are necessarily incompatible when it comes to breasts. >> >> Hey! I am working at being one of the boys around here. >> Almost all boys love great big melons, bigger, better. Anything bigger than a handful is surplus to requirements. SignaturePeter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org Please note the changed e-mail and web addresses. The domain eepjm.newcastle.edu.au no longer exists, and I can no longer receive mail at my newcastle.edu.au addresses. The optusnet address could disappear at any time. > >>> I'm intrigued by your apparent implication that "smallest" and "most > >>> attractive" are necessarily incompatible when it comes to breasts. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Anything bigger than a handful is surplus to requirements. I wish no one would encourage her. It's almost as if the &deity has inflicted us with her as payback for the nice but silly women Rey ran off when he first arrived. I think I would trade this one for the streams-of-conscious from Mimi and Polar and whoever else use to regale us with whatever was crossing her mind at the moment. At least they didn't authoritatively misinform newbies--or has Bob L. gotten her to stop that? -- Al in St. Lou, who's given up responding to PG for Lent -- Al in St. Lou (snipped) > I wish no one would encourage her. It's almost as if the &deity has > inflicted us with her as payback for the nice but silly women Rey ran [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > they didn't authoritatively misinform newbies--or has Bob L. gotten > her to stop that? > Al in St. Lou, who's given up responding to PG for Lent Rather interesting. You, like many, thump your chest like a gorilla (gorillas really don't do that) and proclaim what a horrible person am I, and you will ignore me. Interest is, despite all your testosterone chest beating, you boys gossip about me on a regular basis, even on a very frequent basis. I think of you boys as gossipy old women. My personal opinion is many of you boys are quite hateful. Sincerely, I would rather you ignore me, not respond to my articles. I become quite annoyed when I open an article only to discover your, plural, childish insults and hatred. I am quite certain I am not the one who needs to be ignored. Purl Gurl [ ... ] > I am quite certain I am not the one who needs to be ignored. You are quite wrong, Kira. Observe how, in this very post, I ignore you. [ ... ] SignaturePaul Paradox r_s_lieblich@yahoo.com had it: > [ ... ] > > > I am quite certain I am not the one who needs to be ignored. > > You are quite wrong, Kira. Observe how, in this very post, I ignore > you. Me too. Although it's difficult to find ways of demonstrating that I'm ignoring her without either appearing to have popped out to make the tea, or failing to ignore her in the first place. SignatureDavid ===== > r_s_lieblich wrote: >>[ ... ] >>> I am quite certain I am not the one who needs to be ignored. >> You are quite wrong, Kira. Observe how, in this very post, >> I ignore you. > Me too. Although it's difficult to find ways of demonstrating that > I'm ignoring her without either appearing to have popped out to make > the tea, or failing to ignore her in the first place. Gossipy old women. You boys strike me as the type of gossipy old women who roll their nylon tops down to just above their knees to keep those nylons from sliding down their skinny varicose veined legs. Reminds me of an old woman we tended for years because of our compassion for others, especially our compassion for those in need, those unable to travel, and those who are alone and lonely. Frequently I ended up riding on a backside of a car with her, to Las Vegas, and back from Las Vegas. Using a hammer and chisel, I still would not be able to drive a word in edgewise because of her constant prattle, "I don't like this. I don't like that, I don't like this and that," on and on for two-hundred-fifty miles to and from Las Vegas, "did you hear this, did you hear that, did you hear this and that," gossip, gossip, gossip. Eventually, I took to buying a car, any car, at wholesale auction in Las Vegas, not to turn a profit, simply to have a car to drive back home, all alone in peace and quiet. I listened to her on the way to Vegas, my husband listened to her on the way back. Seems a fair deal to me. You boys around here are that discontented gossipy old woman. Purl Gurl - wears sexy Forties style garter belts > r_s_liebl...@yahoo.com had it: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I'm ignoring her without either appearing to have popped out to make > the tea, or failing to ignore her in the first place. Just change the topic. Say, can you remind all of us what Omruds are? Something sorta like the opposite of gremlins, IIRC. Omruds run around making everything tick like a Swiss watch? -- Al in St. Lou alfargnoli@yahoo.com had it: > > r_s_liebl...@yahoo.com had it: > > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Something sorta like the opposite of gremlins, IIRC. Omruds run around > making everything tick like a Swiss watch? Enjineers, like wot I am. Actually, they have something of a penchant for explosions. They live underground and have weak eyes so when they emerge to the surface they have to move around under smoked glass jars. They're rather tiny, you see. Military joke: There are two types of Engineer. Mechanical Engineers build weapons. Civil Engineers build targets. Daughter is a couple of months away from graduating from her four- year Masters degree in Civil Engineering. She's trying to get more letters after her name than I have. SignatureDavid ===== [ ... ] > Daughter is a couple of months away from graduating from her four- > year Masters degree in Civil Engineering. She's trying to get more > letters after her name than I have. But she'll never sing bass. I wish her well in her new career. SignatureBob Lieblich I wish me well in my old one r_s_lieblich@yahoo.com had it: > [ ... ] > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > But she'll never sing bass. I don't think I've got any qualifications for that. She does play the oboe, a more refined and ladylike double reed instrument than my own bassoon. > I wish her well in her new career. Thank you. She has a job lined up, at the Manchester office of an engineering consultancy. She's looking forward to the more leisurely life to be found in the world of honest work, after four years of 12 hour days at university. SignatureDavid ===== > r_s_lieblich@yahoo.com had it: > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > life to be found in the world of honest work, after four years of 12 > hour days at university. If the "Engineering Consultancy" is anything like the one that employed /my/ daughter, the 12-hour days are not likely to be history. A few years ago she was elevated to "Project Manager", whereupon the hours expanded to meet the firm's needs, and the salary stood still. It stood still enough that when a rival bunch approached her, she moved over, at a 30% increase in pay [1]. That'll at least ease the hour pain, if it grows again. She's now to be paid something like three times what I earned in my best years as a civil servant. SignatureFrank ess >> Bob L. wrote, in part [re David's daughter]: >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > She's now to be paid something like three times what I earned in my > best years as a civil servant. That's what we all hope for, I think -- that our kids will surpass us in good ways. Congratulations to the daughters, gentelmen. SignatureMaria marian.c-b@sbcglobal.net had it: > >> Bob L. wrote, in part [re David's daughter]: > >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > That's what we all hope for, I think -- that our kids will surpass us in > good ways. True. I would like to think they'll be very happy, and successful enough to keep me in my old age. But I'll settle for happy. > Congratulations to the daughters, gentelmen. Thank you. SignatureDavid ===== >> She's now to be paid something like three times what I earned in my >> best years as a civil servant. > >That's what we all hope for, I think -- that our kids will surpass us in >good ways. A friend of mine, now retired, recently discovered that his salary as a Professor in a UK university had at no time been as much as the amount his son is now paying in tax. SignatureKaty Jennison spamtrap: remove the first two letters after the @ > >> She's now to be paid something like three times what I earned in my > >> best years as a civil servant. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > a Professor in a UK university had at no time been as much as the > amount his son is now paying in tax. obAUE: In American English, I think it would have to be "taxes." The singular just wouldn't sound right. For that matter, I think it would have to be "professor at a" and "never" instead of "at no time." So, the American English version "his salary as a professor in a <country-name-qualifier> university had never been as much as the amount his son is now paying in taxes." That is, if we still discuss pondial differences here in AUE. -- Al in St. Lou > > >> She's now to be paid something like three times what I earned in my > > >> best years as a civil servant. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > been as much as the amount his son is now paying in taxes." > That is, if we still discuss pondial differences here in AUE. 1. Aaarrrggghhh!!! I meant "his salary as a professor *at* a <country- name-qualifier> university had never been as much as the amount his son is now paying in taxes." 2. Perhaps we don't discuss pondial differences any longer. -- Al in St. Lou >> > >> She's now to be paid something like three times what I earned in my >> > >> best years as a civil servant. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >name-qualifier> university had never been as much >as the amount his son is now paying in taxes." British English: "at" would be more usual, but "in" would be understood. If the father had been a professor at more than one UK university the wording might be "his salary as a university professor in the UK had never been as much...". The singular "tax" is what I would expect to see or hear in BrE. It would be understood to mean a specific tax, that paid on earnings - "income tax". >2. Perhaps we don't discuss pondial differences any longer. Ponds? OK. I have a pond in my garden (AmE: backyard) in which are various plants, some oxygenating and some decorative. Various beasties have colonised the pond. Here are the frogs, tadpoles and snails resident in June 2004: http://tinyurl.com/2sejt8 Last year there was a warm spell in February during which the frogs started mating furiously and spawning (as they do). The temperature then dropped to freezing point, or close to it. The spawn did not survive. The same pattern has occurred this year with the frogs spawning early, but this time I was ready. As soon as frosty weather was forecast I covered the pond with a tarpaulin (supported by spare fence posts laid horizontally across the pond). This should give some insulation and keep freezing winds and snow away from the surface of the water. According to the forecast for the next 14 days tonight is the last night with temperatures below freezing until the night of April 3/4. The cover comes off tomorrow. A few miles away is an area called Pond Park. It is no surprise that there is neither pond nor park there. Closer to us is Duncan's Dam. This name is an example of "dam" being used to mean the area of water formed by a dam. I seem to recall that this usage was discussed here in the last couple of years. I think it is pondial. How's the water in your parts? SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english) [...] > >1. Aaarrrggghhh!!! I meant "his salary as a professor *at* a <country- > >name-qualifier> university had never been as much [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > "his salary as a university professor in the UK had never been > as much...". Last time we looked at this I think I found plenty of professors "in" American universities. It seemed to be official formal usage regardless of nationality. [...] > >2. Perhaps we don't discuss pondial differences any longer. > > Ponds? OK. [...] > Closer to us is Duncan's Dam. This name is an example of "dam" being > used to mean the area of water formed by a dam. I seem to recall > that this usage was discussed here in the last couple of years. I > think it is pondial. > > How's the water in your parts? Well, "dam" is ordinary usage for the body of water as well as the structure in AusE. OT, there was a failed attempt at a scare in UK a few years ago about the surprising number of dams of various sizes, many in private or commercial hands; they can be two hundred or more years old, and apparently weren't subject to any statutory safety inspection. SignatureMike. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Mike Lyle wrote, in part: > Last time we looked at this I think I found plenty of professors "in" > American universities. It seemed to be official formal usage > regardless of nationality. > [...] Hmm. I still hear of professors /at/ such-and-such university. I haven't heard or read the "in" version. Regarding students: The same applies. My daughter was a student /at/ MSU. When housing is mentioned, though, it seems to work this way: She lived first /in/ (or /at/) Case Hall and then /at/ the sorority house. Is this usage (of /at/) perhaps regional in the US? It seems common in Michigan and east Tennessee. SignatureMaria > Mike Lyle wrote, in part: >> Last time we looked at this I think I found plenty of professors "in" >> American universities. It seemed to be official formal usage [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Is this usage (of /at/) perhaps regional in the US? It seems common in > Michigan and east Tennessee. I went to and studied at San Jose State. SignatureSkitt (in Hayward, California) http://www.geocities.com/opus731/ > Mike Lyle wrote, in part: > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Hmm. I still hear of professors /at/ such-and-such university. I haven't > heard or read the "in" version. As I said, it seems to be the officialese version. And perhaps it's found mainly or only in traditionalist universities. Everyday language clearly uses "at". > Regarding students: The same applies. My daughter was a student /at/ > MSU. Again, that's what we say. > When housing is mentioned, though, it seems to work this way: She lived > first /in/ (or /at/) Case Hall and then /at/ the sorority house. > > Is this usage (of /at/) perhaps regional in the US? It seems common in > Michigan and east Tennessee. I think my children were all "in" such and such a hall. I don't think they used "at". When it comes to colleges which have residential accommodation, the expression is "living in college" but even then "He's at X College". SignatureMike. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com On Mar 24, 3:33 pm, "Mike Lyle" <mike_lyle...@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > Mike Lyle wrote, in part: > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > accommodation, the expression is "living in college" but even then "He's > at X College". Thanks for all the obAUE. It Truly warms my heart. -- Al in St. Lou, getting sentimental in his old age >> Mike Lyle wrote, in part: >> > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> > regardless of nationality. >> > [...] I think of 'in' as related to topic. Although I am 'Professor *of* Accounting', I have a colleague who is officially 'Professor *in* Accounting', although she sometimes refers to herself as *of*. SignatureMike Page Posting trivia to aue since April 1997 >>> Mike Lyle wrote, in part: >>>> >>>> Last time we looked at this I think I found plenty of professors >>>> "in" American universities. It seemed to be official formal usage >>>> regardless of nationality. >>>> [...] > I think of 'in' as related to topic. Although I am 'Professor > *of* Accounting', I have a colleague who is officially 'Professor > *in* Accounting', although she sometimes refers to herself as > *of*. One of my many cousins is a Professor of German [studies?] or a professor in the field of German Language or German something-or-other. (Also a "German Professor," I guess, but that term is quite confusing.) "Of" or "in," depending on the rest of the sentence. SignatureMaria [..] >How's the water in your parts? The water in my parts is coloured red and congeals fairly quickly if it leaks out. Thanks for asking. SignatureRobin Bignall Herts, England > On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 12:49:05 +0000, Peter Duncanson > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > The water in my parts is coloured red and congeals fairly quickly if > it leaks out. Thanks for asking. As long as you and Bob C. have gotten around to kissing and making up. -- Al in St. Lou, just another old woman >> On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 12:49:05 +0000, Peter Duncanson >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >As long as you and Bob C. have gotten around to kissing and making up. Enemies for life don't give up that easily. I'd rather kiss a duck-billed platypus, than end up like old... SignatureRobin Bignall Herts, England > >> On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 12:49:05 +0000, Peter Duncanson > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Enemies for life don't give up that easily. I'd rather kiss a > duck-billed platypus, than end up like old... Sorry to hear that. Ah! I was just typing a question about why all the water near you acts like blood when I realized you'd taken "in your parts" literally. In Texas, "in these here parts" just seems to mean "around here." -- Al in St. Lou >> >> On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 12:49:05 +0000, Peter Duncanson >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >like blood when I realized you'd taken "in your parts" literally. In >Texas, "in these here parts" just seems to mean "around here." Bodily parts, Al. I recently had occasion to check the colour. My dog and I were having a rowdy game and we both went for one of his toys. I got the toy and he got my arm. It's only a surface wound but it bled enough to merit a trip to A&E, an ant-tetanus injection and a week on antibiotics. Bummer. SignatureRobin Bignall Herts, England >>As long as you and Bob C. have gotten around to kissing and making up. > > Enemies for life don't give up that easily. I'd rather kiss a > duck-billed platypus, than end up like old... So be sweet and kind to mother, now and then have a chat ... SignatureEvan Kirshenbaum +------------------------------------ HP Laboratories |The Society for the Preservation of 1501 Page Mill Road, 1U, MS 1141 |Tithesis commends your ebriated and Palo Alto, CA 94304 |scrutable use of delible and |defatigable, which are gainly, sipid kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com |and couth. We are gruntled and (650)857-7572 |consolate that you have the ertia and |eptitude to choose such putably http://www.kirshenbaum.net/ |pensible tithesis, which we parage. [...] (Signaturewise:) > The Society for the Preservation of > Tithesis commends your ebriated and [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > eptitude to choose such putably > pensible tithesis, which we parage. Okay, but be sure you try to be imical about it. > [...] > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Okay, but be sure you try to be imical about it. Flamatory and famatory remarks couraged. SignatureFrank ess >>>As long as you and Bob C. have gotten around to kissing and making up. >> >> Enemies for life don't give up that easily. I'd rather kiss a >> duck-billed platypus, than end up like old... > >So be sweet and kind to mother, now and then have a chat ... ... so hand me down the urn and I'll do just that. SignatureRobin Bignall Herts, England >>>>As long as you and Bob C. have gotten around to kissing and making >>>>up. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > ... so hand me down the urn and I'll do just that. Now I'm confused. Was it an allusion or just a coincidence? SignatureEvan Kirshenbaum +------------------------------------ HP Laboratories |The purpose of writing is to inflate 1501 Page Mill Road, 1U, MS 1141 |weak ideas, obscure poor reasoning, Palo Alto, CA 94304 |and inhibit clarity. With a little |practice, writing can be an kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com |intimidating and impenetrable fog! (650)857-7572 | Calvin http://www.kirshenbaum.net/ >>>>>As long as you and Bob C. have gotten around to kissing and making >>>>>up. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Now I'm confused. Was it an allusion or just a coincidence? It was an allusion, but I personalised my response to you. To have a chat with my mother would require a visit to a crematorium in my home town. SignatureRobin Bignall Herts, England [snip original topic] > >2. Perhaps we don't discuss pondial differences any longer. > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > How's the water in your parts? Most of it seems to be contained in two flowing bodies with an awful color. The residents were aghast when a visitor from India walked to the shore (?) cupped his hands, picked up Mississippi water, and drank it. He went on to explain that he had been making it a point to drink out of all the world's major rivers when he was near them. -- Al in St. Lou, does our Default User know about the Gateway Pundit? [ ... ] > > How's the water in your parts? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > it. He went on to explain that he had been making it a point to drink > out of all the world's major rivers when he was near them. It is no longer possible to consume Potomac River water with a fork. I'm not so sure about the Cuyahoga, though. SignatureBob Lieblich Pass the Perrier, please > [ ... ] > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > It is no longer possible to consume Potomac River water with a fork. > I'm not so sure about the Cuyahoga, though. Some time, before you or I were born, the Ohio river caught fire on its way through Cleveland--at least that's the story as best as I remember it. obAUE: Have we discussed whether the second "as" is optional? -- Al in St. Lou >> It is no longer possible to consume Potomac River water with a fork. >> I'm not so sure about the Cuyahoga, though. > > Some time, before you or I were born, the Ohio river caught fire on > its way through Cleveland--at least that's the story as best as I > remember it. The Cuyahoga certainly did, more than once. Let's see... Fires plagued the Cuyahoga beginning in 1936 when a spark from a blow torch ignited floating debris and oils. Fires erupted on the river several more times before June 22, 1969, when a river fire captured the attention of Time magazine, which described the Cuyahoga as the river that "oozes rather than flows" and in which a person "does not drown but decays". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuyahoga_River The Wikipedia entry on the Ohio River doesn't mention fires. Then again, it doesn't mention it going through Cleveland, which the Cuyahoga does. SignatureEvan Kirshenbaum +------------------------------------ HP Laboratories |Code should be designed to make it 1501 Page Mill Road, 1U, MS 1141 |easy to get it right, not to work Palo Alto, CA 94304 |if you get it right. kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com (650)857-7572 http://www.kirshenbaum.net/ >>> She's now to be paid something like three times what I earned in my >>> best years as a civil servant. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >a Professor in a UK university had at no time been as much as the >amount his son is now paying in tax. A friend of mine, also a professor, discovered his son's earnings in the last year exceeded his entire lifetime salary from the university. Mind you, the son is the drummer in a successful pop group. -- Mike Page Posting trivia to aue since April 1997 frank@fshe2fs.com had it: > > Thank you. She has a job lined up, at the Manchester office of an > > engineering consultancy. She's looking forward to the more [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > She's now to be paid something like three times what I earned in my > best years as a civil servant. The company has a good reputation, and recently came in the top 50 of a Times survey of the best medium sized companies to work for. But of course, time will tell. SignatureDavid ===== >r_s_lieblich@yahoo.com had it: > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >life to be found in the world of honest work, after four years of 12 >hour days at university. My daughter is also an engineer, but I don't think she has found she works less hard in employment than she did at university. And the money is not good compared with a financial career. -- Mike Page Posting trivia to aue since April 1997 >>>> I'm intrigued by your apparent implication that "smallest" and "most >>>> attractive" are necessarily incompatible when it comes to breasts. >>> Hey! I am working at being one of the boys around here. >>> Almost all boys love great big melons, bigger, better. > Anything bigger than a handful is surplus to requirements. Ah, yes, many boys state this. Magazines such as Playboy, Gent, Esquire and Penthouse suggest a majority of men prefer a different size. Is penis size important to men? Purl Gurl >>>>> I'm intrigued by your apparent implication that "smallest" and >>>>> "most attractive" are necessarily incompatible when it comes to [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Ah, yes, many boys state this. And truthfully, at that. Larger isn't necessarily bad, up to a point (said point being (personal opinion) a fair bit less than "great big melons"), but there are definitely other factors involved in attractiveness. > Magazines such as Playboy, Gent, Esquire and Penthouse > suggest a majority of men prefer a different size. Not necessarily. It suggests that the magazine publishers believe that they will make more money with larger-breasted models than with smaller-breasted ones. But it's not necessarily "the larger the better", and there may be more going on. Including the publishers simply buying into common wisdom. And including there being a difference between the tastes of people who have first-hand experience and those who don't have much. > Is penis size important to men? Not that I've ever actually noticed, at least for straight men, as long as it's big enough to do the job. There's a lot of advertising aimed at convincing men that women care, and I wouldn't be surprised if a fair number of men latch onto that as a reason that they can't get or keep a partner, but among those who have a steady partner? Not unless somebody convinces them it should be. SignatureEvan Kirshenbaum +------------------------------------ HP Laboratories |There are just two rules of 1501 Page Mill Road, 1U, MS 1141 |governance in a free society: Mind Palo Alto, CA 94304 |your own business. Keep your hands |to yourself. kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com | P.J. O'Rourke (650)857-7572 http://www.kirshenbaum.net/ >>>>>> I'm intrigued by your apparent implication that "smallest" and >>>>>> "most attractive" are necessarily incompatible when it comes to >>>>>> breasts. >>>>> Almost all boys love great big melons, bigger, better. >>> Anything bigger than a handful is surplus to requirements. >> Ah, yes, many boys state this. I am, of course, playing the part of Devil's Advocate. > And truthfully, at that. Larger isn't necessarily bad, up to a point > (said point being (personal opinion) a fair bit less than "great big > melons"), but there are definitely other factors involved in > attractiveness. There are many studies of how men visually perceive women. A common result is most men judge a woman by body shape and body proportion. Many studies suggest and my personal belief is how we perceive others, male or female, is a part of our instinctive behavior. Mother Nature drives us to a frenzy to procreate. Part of Natural Selection is culling out weaker animals and seeking a mate who is strong and virile. When a man looks at a woman, his unconscious instinctive drive has him look for larger curvy hips, well built for carrying children, and to look for well developed breasts, better for suckling children. Mother Nature and Natural Selection, working together, have imprinted an "hour glass" silhouette of a woman in mind for men to use as a "fitting model" when looking at a woman for a possible mate. Same seems true of women. We women have an imprinted tall squared silhouette of man to use for our assessment of a possible mate. We look for a taller man of good stature who will prove to be both a good hunter and protector. However, both sexes, today, are razzle-dazzled by our mass media images of what makes for a beautiful woman and makes for a handsome man. Our instinctive trait to select a strong and virile mate is overshadowed by our daily blasting of media standards for "good looks." Those media images are artificial; plastic surgery and air brushed photographs. >> Magazines such as Playboy, Gent, Esquire and Penthouse >> suggest a majority of men prefer a different size. > Not necessarily. It suggests that the magazine publishers believe > that they will make more money with larger-breasted models than with [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > difference between the tastes of people who have first-hand experience > and those who don't have much. My first thought while typing my comments about men's magazines was, "These are skewed results. I am looking at only that portion of our male population who buy those magazines." Big tits are a money maker, though, whether in a men's magazine, a stripper bar, movies or even a female news caster. Again, mass media and peer group pressure comes to bear upon our accepted perception of good looks. When men collect together then discuss women, a common comment comes about, "Look at those big hooters on that girl!" Privately and fortunately, men will settle for less than the mass media ideal. >> Is penis size important to men? > Not that I've ever actually noticed, at least for straight men, as > long as it's big enough to do the job. There's a lot of advertising > aimed at convincing men that women care, and I wouldn't be surprised > if a fair number of men latch onto that as a reason that they can't > get or keep a partner, but among those who have a steady partner? Not > unless somebody convinces them it should be. Viagra syndrome. This is another mass media affect upon our perception. Women are not free from this Viagra syndrome; we have our personal products to enhance the sexual experience. Returning to Mother Nature, back when we ran around naked and still played in trees, women are motivated by Mother Nature and Natural Selection to choose a man with a larger penis. A larger penis makes for more of a chance to become impregnated which is the basis of our frenzied drive to procreate. Men amongst men, penis size truly does matter, a result of brain washing mass media. A majority of men, privately, are comfortable with whatever size is their penis. Women are just as comfortable. Today, we typically select our mates not so much by instinctive traits rather by those traits which lead to a secure life together. Rather unfortunate our standards for a comfortable life are set by mass media out to make a buck selling us products we really do not need. Our divorce rate of two-thirds of marriages ending in divorce, I believe is contributed to largely in part by false images created by mass media. A final analysis is we women tolerate men simply because we need sperm donors, as Mother Nature drives women to seek. Purl Gurl > ... well developed breasts, better for suckling children. > Our divorce rate of two-thirds of marriages ending in divorce ... Two errors of fact I'm afraid, Purl Gurl. 1. Breast size has no bearing on how good they are for suckling. 2. The proportion of marriages ending in divorce is nowhere near two-thirds. This false figure comes from comparing the number of marriages in a year with the number of divorces in that year, which does NOT tell you what proportion of marriages ends in divorce. Think what would happen if (or when) the number of divorces in a year exceeds the number of marriages. Every marriage ends in more than one divorce? Of course not. SignatureAlec McKenzie usenet@<surname>.me.uk >> ... well developed breasts, better for suckling children. >> Our divorce rate of two-thirds of marriages ending in divorce ... > Two errors of fact I'm afraid, Purl Gurl. > 1. Breast size has no bearing on how good they are for suckling. Ha! Ha! You been reading Cheech and Chong again? Women's breasts exhibit an average ratio of fat to milk ducts. Smaller breasts, this ratio remains the same, however there is a reduction in both fat content and number of milk ducts. Larger size breasts, more fat, more milk ducts, but an average ratio of fat to milk ducts remains constant. Nonetheless, larger breasts exhibit more milk ducts and a greater network of ducts. This is not to be confused with breasts which suffer high fat from simply eating too much food, nor confused with tiny breasts which suffer from lack of sufficient nutrition. These conditions are related to breast fat content, not number of milk ducts. A mother's diet is critical to her baby's health. This we know. A healthy diet for a nursing mother tends to add weight, which lends to larger breasts, through fat. Nonetheless, production of milk is directly related to diet and liquid intake. More body fat, higher intake of nutrition. You are confusing my Natural Selection by "sight" with physical ability to produce milk. A man's instinctive drive will have him seek a woman with larger breasts. Do not confuse this with our modern standard of large breasts. I am writing of Natural Selection leading men to select a mate with well developed breasts over less developed small breasts. Mother Nature and Natural Selection favor those women who are able to store good amounts of milk, rather than run "dry" very quickly. Thousands of years back, millions of years back, we are all a nomadic peoples. Storage of food stuffs is critical for survival. Women storing breast milk is a critical aspect of survival, this is, Survival of the Fittest. Women with larger breasts tend to store more milk than do women with smaller breasts. This is not to discount women with smaller breasts. I am writing strictly of our instinctive drives developed over millions and millions of years. Men instinctively seek a mate with larger breasts, and larger breasts typically lend to a better child survival rate, from a very long time period evolutionary point of view. Does breast size matter in relation to breastfeeding and milk supply? Generally speaking, no. I've seen moms with small breasts produce copious amounts of milk. For the most part, breast size mostly determines storage capacity, not potential milk production. Women with large breasts tend to produce milk at slower rates since they can store a lot, whereas women with small breasts will produce milk at faster rates in order to meet the needs of the infant, who will "drain the tanks" quickly. The difference usually shows up as a baby who takes "large meals" less often, versus a baby who takes "smaller meals" more often. If nature is allowed to take its course and baby feeds as often as he needs to, both mothers usually can make enough milk to feed their babies. http://www.obgyn.net/displayarticle.asp?page=/pcos/articles/childers-chats Those comments are written from a modern point of view. Those are not comments of a nomadic woman whose family's existence depends on travel in search of food. You ever try to breast feed a baby while walking miles and miles across rugged terrain while also carrying upon your back, many encampment supplies? Some of the author's comment are noteworthy, "Generally speaking, no." "...breast size mostly determines storage capacity, not potential milk production." "...who will 'drain the tanks' quickly." Generally, mostly, drain the tanks quickly. Those are important comments. The author, who is female, is alluding to larger capacity of both milk production and milk storage with larger breasts. To store larger amounts of milk, a woman must have larger breasts which is, in part, contributed to a greater number of milk ducts requiring greater physical space. A woman with larger breasts is able produce greater amounts of milk for longer periods of time than is a woman with relative smaller breasts. A woman with larger breasts, not fat breasts, a woman with naturally larger breasts has a greater number of milk ducts. You need to check your "facts" which you afford in lieu of sound supporting evidence and sound logic. > 2. The proportion of marriages ending in divorce is nowhere near > two-thirds. This false figure comes from comparing the number of > marriages in a year with the number of divorces in that year, Nope. Our Western average divorce rate of sixty to sixty-six percent remains steady for the last century and more. Note mine is "average" divorce rate which accounts for short lived glitches created by changing social mores and especially by advent of fatal sexually transmitted diseases. Nonetheless, the average rate remains steady. My suggestion is, before making "factual" statements as you do, research both your facts and your topic to greater depth and especially to greater understanding. I always do this. Purl Gurl >> 2. The proportion of marriages ending in divorce is nowhere near >> two-thirds. This false figure comes from comparing the number of >> marriages in a year with the number of divorces in that year, > Nope. Our Western average divorce rate of sixty to sixty-six percent > remains steady for the last century and more. Note mine is "average" Current divorce statistics in America is estimated at 50%. This data is not accurately correct, however, it is reasonably close to actual. The divorce rate in America for first marriage is 41% The divorce rate in America for second marriage is 60% The divorce rate in America for third marriage is 73% Couples With Children 40% Couples Without Children 66% http://www.divorcestatistics.org/ Research, read, learn, then extrapolate. What effect does our current Western trend to having children at a later age or not having children, what effect does this have on our average divorce rate? What effect does our Western declining birth rate have on divorce rate? There are myriad factors which lead to our perception of an average divorce rate, all of which are difficult to discern. http://www.divorcereform.org/rates.html Another good research link. http://www.999-life.com/marriage-divorce-us.htm A link which displays wildly varying divorce rates on a state-by-state basis. So, what is a fairly accurate average divorce rate for Western peoples, such as Americans? Over the last ten years? Over the last fifty years? Over the last one-hundred years? Over the next one-hundred years? Purl Gurl >> 2. The proportion of marriages ending in divorce is nowhere near >> two-thirds. This false figure comes from comparing the number of [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > research both your facts and your topic to greater depth and > especially to greater understanding. I always do this. I haven't read the citations for this paragraph, but the Wikipedia article on the topic says To establish an actual divorce rate requires tracking and analyzing significant samples of actual marriages through decades, which is not an easy task. Recent US scholarship based on such longterm tracking, reported for example in the New York Times on April 19, 2005, has found that about 60% of all marriages that result in divorce do so in the first decade, and more than 80% do so within the first 20 years; that the percentage of all marriages that eventually end in divorce peaked in the United States at about 41% around 1980, and has been slowly declining ever since, standing by 2002 at around 31%. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divorce#Statistics Looking at the _New York Times_ article referred to, it backs up the claims: The method preferred by social scientists in determining the divorce rate is to calculate how many people who have ever married subsequently divorced. Counted that way, the rate has never exceeded about 41 percent, researchers say. Although sharply rising rates in the 1970's led some to project that the number would keep increasing, the rate has instead begun to inch downward. ''At this point, unless there's some kind of turnaround, I wouldn't expect any cohort to reach 50 percent, since none already has,'' said Dr. Rose M. Kreider, a demographer in the Fertility and Family Statistics Branch of the Census Bureau. Two years ago, based on a 1996 survey, she and another demographer at the bureau predicted that if trends then in place held steady, the divorce rate for some age groups might eventually hit the 50 percent mark. But in February, the bureau issued a new report, based on 2001 data and written by Dr. Kreider. According to the report, for people born in 1955 or later, ''the proportion ever divorced had actually declined,'' compared with those among people born earlier. And, compared with women married before 1975, those married since 1975 had slightly better odds of reaching their 10th and 15th wedding anniversaries with their marriages still intact. The highest rate of divorce in the 2001 survey was 41 percent for men who were then between the ages of 50 to 59, and 39 percent for women in the same age group. SignatureEvan Kirshenbaum +------------------------------------ HP Laboratories |Yesterday I washed a single sock. 1501 Page Mill Road, 1U, MS 1141 |When I opened the door, the machine Palo Alto, CA 94304 |was empty. kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com (650)857-7572 http://www.kirshenbaum.net/ (snipped a lot) >>> 2. The proportion of marriages ending in divorce is nowhere near >>> two-thirds. This false figure comes from comparing the number of >>> marriages in a year with the number of divorces in that year, >> Nope. Our Western average divorce rate of sixty to sixty-six percent >> remains steady for the last century and more. Note mine is "average" > I haven't read the citations for this paragraph, but the Wikipedia > article on the topic says > To establish an actual divorce rate requires tracking and > so within the first 20 years; that the percentage of all marriages > that eventually end in divorce peaked in the United States at > about 41% around 1980, and has been slowly declining ever since, > standing by 2002 at around 31%. > Looking at the _New York Times_ article referred to, it backs up the > claims: > The highest rate of divorce in the 2001 survey was 41 percent for > men who were then between the ages of 50 to 59, and 39 percent for > women in the same age group. Look through my articles in this thread. I cite sources which directly discount those statistics. Seems this comes down to which sources are more reliable. There is more to this. How we go about "reading" statistics plays an important part in our final perception and understanding. Those links I cite break down statistics into categories of study which present a better picture of this complex nature of our actual divorce rate. Purl Gurl >>> Is penis size important to men? > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Viagra syndrome. This is another mass media affect upon our > perception. I'd distinguish between penis size and performance. While I've never actually noticed much preoccupation with the former, I believe that most men (especially as we get older) do worry at least somewhat about their ability to achieve and maintain an erection and to delay ejaculation as long as they'd like. So Viagra and the like address real (if often unneeded) widespread concerns in a way that "penis enlargement" devices don't. > Returning to Mother Nature, back when we ran around naked and still > played in trees, women are motivated by Mother Nature and Natural > Selection to choose a man with a larger penis. A larger penis makes > for more of a chance to become impregnated which is the basis of our > frenzied drive to procreate. If there's any actual functional selection (as opposed to sexual selection, which can be completely arbitrary) going on, I'd expect the female preference for longer penises to be less due to their chance of getting impregnated (which can, after all, be increased just by having more sex) than the likelihood that their sons will be able to impregnate others and provide them with grandchildren. But does a longer penis, above some minimum, actually measurably increase the chance of conception? I honestly don't know, but I wouldn't think so. > Men amongst men, penis size truly does matter, a result of brain > washing mass media. Having likely been a man amongst men more often than you have, my experience differs. > A majority of men, privately, are comfortable with whatever size is > their penis. Women are just as comfortable. Just an outsider's view, but in my experience women express dissatisfaction with their bodies (especially those parts they feel detract from their sexual attractiveness) far more often than men do. And far more often than is warranted. When you come right down to it, men just aren't that picky. SignatureEvan Kirshenbaum +------------------------------------ HP Laboratories |There's been so much ado already 1501 Page Mill Road, 1U, MS 1141 |that any further ado would be Palo Alto, CA 94304 |excessive. | Lori Karkosky kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com (650)857-7572 http://www.kirshenbaum.net/ (snipped) >>>> Is penis size important to men? >>> Not that I've ever actually noticed, at least for straight men, as >>> long as it's big enough to do the job. There's a lot of >> Viagra syndrome. This is another mass media affect upon our >> perception. > I'd distinguish between penis size and performance. While I've never > actually noticed much preoccupation with the former, I believe that [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > real (if often unneeded) widespread concerns in a way that "penis > enlargement" devices don't. Viagra type medications are good. I support usage, but not abuse. Very true older men, like older women, lose some sexual ability, mostly in terms of maintaining an erection and female lubrication. These Viagra type drugs do lend well to more pleasure for both men and women, lend to a more satisfactory relationship. I have no problems with both male and female sex related products. I believe these types of products do more for our mental health and emotional health than do for "perceived" physical health. With a little help, we can feel better about ourselves. > If there's any actual functional selection (as opposed to sexual > selection, which can be completely arbitrary) going on, I'd expect the > female preference for longer penises to be less due to their chance of > getting impregnated (which can, after all, be increased just by having > more sex) than the likelihood that their sons will be able to > impregnate others and provide them with grandchildren. > But does a longer penis, above some minimum, actually measurably > increase the chance of conception? I honestly don't know, but I > wouldn't think so. Oh yes! A larger and longer penis lends to less distance for those naughty little sperms to swim and boy do they ever backstroke! There are many, very many factors involved in ability to become pregnant, more so "ease" with which to become pregnant. Both women and men contribute to this ease of, or lack of ease, to become pregnant; we enjoy equality on this. Whales make for a comparison, not in size rather in reason for a larger and longer penis. Copulation within in water is hazardous for sperms. A loose, lacking depth fit leads to problems with sea water entry, flushing out of sperms, if not sperm death from too harsh of a "salty" environment. All have observed dogs become stuck together. This physical aspect of male dogs serves a good purpose. This purpose is keep a male and female dog not only in close contact but for contact over a long period of time. In effect, an unbreakable seal, and cold water does not break this seal, a tight seal which does not allow for breaking away, lends well to proper and good deposit of sperms. Our feline family, to which we women belong, is quite a different story, not in physical aspects of a penis nor copulation. All have observed a pairing cat couple fight before hand, and competition by males is fierce; lots of fur flying fighting. Cats are a perfect example of Natural Selection. Right off the male who is the best fighter, strong and brave, wins the female cat, after dominating other male cats. However, this alpha male cat must still win a fight with a female, which involves courtship through displays and certain behaviors. Upon "instinctive" satisfaction a male passes Mother Nature's tests, then a female cat will submit, but fighting is still evident even during the very act. Reproductive capacity is a critical component of Natural Selection. Bigger, longer, stronger, more fierce and especially more intelligent, all play favorably into the hands of Mother Nature. > Just an outsider's view, but in my experience women express > dissatisfaction with their bodies (especially those parts they feel > detract from their sexual attractiveness) far more often than men do. > And far more often than is warranted. When you come right down to it, > men just aren't that picky. We women will always deny this! I trained my husband. I have taught him proper responses to my actions. "Honey, does this dress make me look fat?" "No, darling, your dress makes you look like Marlene Dietrich." He is trained by me to not respond with, "Well, honey, your dress makes you look like a land bound walrus." Damn straight we women are sensitive about our looks. This, again, is a result of mass media role modeling. All of us are trained to believe we must be Marlene Dietrich types and Warren Beatty types or fall to a class of the ugly unwashed masses. Thousands of years back, millions of years back, highly unlikely "beauty" and "handsome" played any part in our decision to couple. Nope, ability to club a Woolly Mammoth to death and ability to cook up a tasty Woolly Mammoth roast, these "things" decide attractiveness, just as larger hips and larger breasts, muscles on men and horse size penises, all played into attractiveness per Mother Nature. A comical notion is you boys constantly strut your stuff, brag of your masculine strength. You know, if you engaged in fisticuffs with a Neandertal Man of way back, this Neandertal, within seconds, would literally rip your head off, then play a fun game of soccer with your head! Who is better suited for Survival of the Fittest? Not you, yes? Purl Gurl >> Is penis size important to men? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > get or keep a partner, but among those who have a steady partner? Not > unless somebody convinces them it should be. When women do discuss this (and we do, in certain circumstances) it is generally agreed that it is possible for a penis to be too big. Most women would agree that size doesn't matter, it's what you do with it that counts. >>> Is penis size important to men? >> Not that I've ever actually noticed, at least for straight men, as >> long as it's big enough to do the job. There's a lot of advertising >> aimed at convincing men that women care, and I wouldn't be surprised >> if a fair number of men latch onto that as a reason that they can't >> get or keep a partner, but among those who have a steady partner? Not >> unless somebody convinces them it should be. > When women do discuss this (and we do, in certain circumstances) it is > generally agreed that it is possible for a penis to be too big. Boy howdy! > Most women would agree that size doesn't matter, it's what you do > with it that counts. Moreover, what a man does before he "does" his penis. My personal opinion is foreplay is the most critical component of love making. Foreplay begins hours earlier during dinner, foreplay begins days earlier during a vacation, foreplay begins years earlier, when marriage vows are exchanged. Foreplay is the very nature of a relationship between a woman and a man. Foreplay is rarely sexual in nature, least up until the big event, or little event. Purl Gurl >>> Is penis size important to men? >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >generally agreed that it is possible for a penis to be too big. Most women >would agree that size doesn't matter, it's what you do with it that counts. I haven't been reading PG's posts, but I see enough replies to give me a general idea of what she's currently going on about. I wonder how Charles is doing? Anyone heard from him? This would not be the time for him to come back. SignatureTony Cooper Orlando, FL > I wonder how Charles is doing? Anyone heard from him? This would not > be the time for him to come back. We keep in touch, but not as much as before. I don't think a return is likely, at least not for a while. Comuter problems and the like, plus his eyes are giving him problems. SignatureMaria > > I wonder how Charles is doing? Anyone heard from him? This would not > > be the time for him to come back. > > We keep in touch, but not as much as before. I don't think a return is > likely, at least not for a while. Comuter problems and the like, plus > his eyes are giving him problems. Is there a thread I could google for the latest on Charles? How about Mark Israel? -- Al in St. Lou >>> I wonder how Charles is doing? Anyone heard from him? This would >>> not be the time for him to come back. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Is there a thread I could google for the latest on Charles? How about > Mark Israel? For Charles, anything with "Charles" or "Chas." in the subject line beginning January 2006. Also, any posts from Padraig Breathnach since that same time. That should garner most of the news and background. For Mark, I'm not sure, but probably a search for "Mark Israel" (in the subject line or in the message) for the past couple of years. As for right now, Charles is in a nursing home in Ireland, and is doing better than he did when at the rehab hospital. ("Rehab" in the sense of recovering from a stroke and learning anew to do certain things, not the kind of "rehab" we hear about involving various celebrities here.) His sight is impaired, and he has cataracts for which he may be getting surgery. I don't have his address handy, but will send it to you later if you like. He does not have email at present, nor does he read the group. (That could change.) SignatureMaria [ ... ] > Are you under the command of four star general Robert "E. Lee" Lieblich? I disclaim the gentleman in question. Were he under my command, I'd have told him some time ago that as long as PG stays away from questions of English usage she's a harmless crank -- just like me. When she gets into usage, she turns into a potentially harmful crank, but it's not that hard to neutralize her possible baleful influence. IOW, don't flatter yourself, XX. SignatureGeneral Lieblich Purl Gurl filted: >> Peacenik filted: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >What is this "we" stuff, White Eyes? Take it up with Jimmy Dodd.... >Ja! Ja! Das wienerslicken fur eine gutundtite! Ja! Oh, die schöne, oh, die schöne, oh, die schöne Schnitzelbank....r Signature"You got Schadenfreude on my Weltanschauung!" "You got Weltanschauung in my Schadenfreude!" > Purl Gurl filted: >>> Peacenik filted: >>>>> x >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Oh, die schöne, oh, die schöne, oh, die schöne Schnitzelbank....r Oh, du schöne ... SignatureSkitt Jes' fine! > > Peacenik filted: > >>> x [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Ja! Ja! Das wienerslicken fur eine gutundtite! Ja! Ahhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!! Aaaaaahhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I just remembered why I left last time (ten months ago?)! -- Al in St. Lou >>> Peacenik filted: (snipped) >> "You got Schadenfreude on my Weltanschauung!" >> "You got Weltanschauung in my Schadenfreude!" >> Each time I glance at your signature file, I am reminded of a joke. > I just remembered why I left last time (ten months ago?)! Well, I'll be, we both left this group around the same time period. Welcome back! Nothing has changed, in fact, these folks are still discussing the same topics as ten months back. Well, except this time I have these good folks talking about women's butts rather than talking about boogers as last year. Purl Gurl > >>> Peacenik filted: > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Well, except this time I have these good folks talking about > women's butts rather than talking about boogers as last year. Hmmm, I *would* rather think about women's butts than boogers. -- Al in St. Lou >Peacenik filted: >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Because we *like* you!...r Although I'm concerned about what they might have done with Ted and Alice. SignatureArchie Valparaiso Former Manchester United winger and European Cup winner John Aston now runs a pet shop in Stalybridge. >> Peacenik filted: >>>> x >>> y? >> Because we *like* you!...r > Although I'm concerned about what they might have done with Ted and > Alice. Ha! An appropriately obscure reference! ...and you are showing your age. Purl Gurl > >> Peacenik filted: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Ha! An appropriately obscure reference! Not in this crowd. > ...and you are showing your age. And you're not? You got it too. SignatureGeneral Bob [...] It's no help being continually exposed to it: I _still_ read "Archie Valparaiso, Former Manchester United winger and European Cup winner" until I get to: "John Aston now runs a pet shop in Stalybridge." SignatureMike. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >[...] > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >until I get to: >"John Aston now runs a pet shop in Stalybridge." A point you have. Until I find another There's Not Many People Know That (bear with me; I'm still trying to find out who the first and third best recyclers in Kent are), this'll have to do, I'm afraid. SignatureArchie Valparaiso Legalise smokies! > Peacenik filted: >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Because we *like* you!...r No, actually. They've been here before, and I'm pretty sure we didn't. |
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