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Discussion Groups / English Usage / May 2007The Gospel truth
A striking turn of phrase from the NYT, on a new creationist museuim. "Evolution gets its continual comeuppance, while biblical revelations are treated as gospel." http://tinyurl.com/2x4hqh or http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/24/arts/24crea.html?em&ex=1180152000&en=3fce57491 0e89398&ei=5087%0A  SignatureMike. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > A striking turn of phrase from the NYT, on a new creationist museuim. > > "Evolution gets its continual comeuppance, while biblical revelations > are treated as gospel." I think our intrepid reporter would find, upon closer investigation, that some of them are treated as Old Testament. SignatureRoland Hutchinson Will play viola da gamba for food. NB mail to my.spamtrap [at] verizon.net is heavily filtered to remove spam. If your message looks like spam I may not see it. In alt.usage.english, Mike Lyle wrote: >A striking turn of phrase from the NYT, on a new creationist museuim. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/24/arts/24crea.html?em&ex=118015 >2000&en=3fce574910e89398&ei=5087%0A Perhaps the NYT meant to say that the biblical revelations are treated as neo-Gandhian. <http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Shilpas_racism_win_incomplete/article show/2078058.cms> But Shetty's neo-Gandhian "forgive them father, for they know not what they do" platitudes were seen to strike a blow for her and leave her angry supporters without a heroine. SignatureV > In alt.usage.english, Mike Lyle wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Perhaps the NYT meant to say that the biblical revelations are treated > as neo-Gandhian. <http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Shilpas_racism_win_incomplete/articl e > show/2078058.cms> > > But Shetty's neo-Gandhian "forgive them father, for they know > not what they do" platitudes were seen to strike a blow for > her and leave her angry supporters without a heroine. What an admirably cynical article! A great little read. The author's cudgel missed only the spontaneous demos that happened in India at the time. You just can't get a decent riot going in London these days, any more than you can get a full house for a Test Match: the once-feared mob have all been shipped out to the periphery. (I wonder if he really believes Gandhi coined that phrase.) SignatureMike. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com On May 28, 1:07 pm, "Mike Lyle" <mike_lyle...@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > In alt.usage.english, Mike Lyle wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > not what they do" platitudes were seen to strike a blow for > > her and leave her angry supporters without a heroine. ... > (I wonder if he really believes Gandhi coined that phrase.) I can't imagine so. Who would the father be? The one addressed in "Bap re"? I'd guess it's supposed to mean "her implausibly Gandhi- like or Christ-like platitudes". -- Jerry Friedman In alt.usage.english, Mike Lyle wrote: >> In alt.usage.english, Mike Lyle wrote: >>> A striking turn of phrase from the NYT, on a new creationist museuim. >>> >>> "Evolution gets its continual comeuppance, while biblical revelations >>> are treated as gospel." >> Perhaps the NYT meant to say that the biblical revelations are treated >> as neo-Gandhian. >> But Shetty's neo-Gandhian "forgive them father, for they know >> not what they do" platitudes were seen to strike a blow for >> her and leave her angry supporters without a heroine. > >What an admirably cynical article! Cynical? You've been reading too much lofty Indie moralising. It's balanced, even-handed, realistic. >A great little read. And linguistically very playful in a typically Indian way. Grown-up Indian journalism is (like British tabloid journalism) never afraid to torture a pun or bang two clichés together. That article is also very opinionated for a news story, but I think that's the writer's personal style rather than a TOI thing. >The author's cudgel missed only the spontaneous demos that happened in >India at the time. And the crappy burnt effigies of the Channel Four execs. If she wanted to be really cynical, she could have mentioned the curious episode last month when Richard Gere leapt on Shetty at an AIDS benefit and shoved his hamster^Wtongue down her throat. Shetty was threatened with arrest for outraging public decency, which seemed a bit unfair given that she was the hamstee rather than the hamster - unless, that is, it was a pre-arranged stunt to win her some more headlines. >You just can't get a decent riot going in London these days, any >more than you can get a full house for a Test Match: the once-feared mob >have all been shipped out to the periphery. (I wonder if he really >believes Gandhi coined that phrase.) I'm with Jerry. There's a missing comma. (Well, two.) "Shetty's neo-Gandhian, "forgive them, father, for they know not ...". SignatureV > In alt.usage.english, Mike Lyle wrote: [...] >>> But Shetty's neo-Gandhian "forgive them father, for they >>> know not what they do" platitudes were seen to strike a [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > And the crappy burnt effigies of the Channel Four execs. Well, that was what made the piece cynical rather than healthily sceptical. I doubt if the author really believes the Indian rioting classes actually give a toss, so she could have had a crack at them, too. I suppose Ms Shetty emerges with something very like credit, but she's the only one. > If she wanted to be really cynical, she could have mentioned the > curious episode last month when Richard Gere leapt on Shetty at an [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > unless, that is, it was a pre-arranged stunt to win her some more > headlines. Yes, odd. I thought it was Pakistan, not India, which punished rape victims. [...] SignatureMike. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com In alt.usage.english, Mike Lyle wrote: >> In alt.usage.english, Mike Lyle wrote: >>> The author's cudgel missed only the spontaneous demos that happened >>> in India at the time. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >classes actually give a toss, so she could have had a crack at them, >too. Surely the mob's indignation was wholly sincere? There was no Brixton- or Toxteth- or St Pauls-style looting. It was protest at its purest: just good old effigy-burning and a few death threats. Incidentally, an interesting editorial in India Daily: <http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/16574.asp> Gere's one-sided snogfest (which was also followed by rioting, effigy-burning and death threats - you're right: our mobs really are effete, apathetic, just plain useless in comparison to theirs) can explain how Western investors have allowed themselves to be lured into funding the "socialistic inefficiencies" of India and China. There is also a suggestion that stagflation was at the root of it. SignatureV [...] > Incidentally, an interesting editorial in India Daily: > > <http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/16574.asp> [...] Interested indeed, but in first importunity I am kicking English teacher's bottom out door. SignatureMike. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > [...] > > Incidentally, an interesting editorial in India Daily: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Interested indeed, but in first importunity I am kicking English > teacher's bottom out door. Also geography teacher: The same ignorance that made US car manufacturers make cars for Japanese market with steering wheel on the left side (in Asia and Europe it is in right side!) is manifested in Iraq fiasco and also in investing in India and China. Funny, I always figured that, the UK and Ireland aside, most of Europe drove on the right, same as the ignorant Americans. -=Eric Eric Schwartz quoted: > The same ignorance that made US car manufacturers make cars > for Japanese market with steering wheel on the left side (in > Asia and Europe it is in right side!) is manifested in Iraq > fiasco and also in investing in India and China. My Korean-made car nearly killed me recently, because of a stupid design fault. The brake pedal didn't feel right to me, so I took it to a mechanic. The mechanic took two days to find and fix the problem, because of its obscure nature. Here's what went wrong. The master brake cylinder on a car is usually directly behind the brake pedal. On my car, the brake cylinder was on the left, where an American brake pedal would go. That meant that a mechanical linkage - one that looked very much like an afterthought - was needed to connect the brake pedal to the brake cylinder. The pin on which the linkage rod pivoted was too weak, and on the point of breaking, so that I was on the point of losing the connection between the brake pedal and the brake cylinder. Cost-cutting, or a last-minute patch to a botched design? I don't know. SignaturePeter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org Please note the changed e-mail and web addresses. The domain eepjm.newcastle.edu.au no longer exists, and I can no longer receive mail at my newcastle.edu.au addresses. The optusnet address could disappear at any time. >Eric Schwartz quoted: > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >pedal. On my car, the brake cylinder was on the left, where an American >brake pedal would go. Kia? Hyundai? Other? My wife drives an Elantra, and though the brake cylinder is "in the right place", I am curious if it was this model. > That meant that a mechanical linkage - one that >looked very much like an afterthought - was needed to connect the brake [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Cost-cutting, or a last-minute patch to a botched design? I don't know. >> My Korean-made car nearly killed me recently, because of a stupid >> design fault. The brake pedal didn't feel right to me, so I took it [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> brake pedal. On my car, the brake cylinder was on the left, where >> an American brake pedal would go. > Kia? Hyundai? Other? My wife drives an Elantra, and though the brake > cylinder is "in the right place", I am curious if it was this model. Daewoo Nubira. It has a strange mixture of features. On the one hand there are some up-market features like central locking, automatically retracting radio antenna, motor-driven windows. To balance this there are things that remind you that it's a cheap car, such as the absence of rear window wipers (a real nuisance in the rain), and a rear seat designed for passengers without knees. On the whole it's served me well, but when things go wrong they go badly wrong. This, by the way, has been my first experience of metallic paint, and I have mixed feelings about it. The dirt doesn't stick to it as badly, but after a few bangs by supermarket trolleys and scratches by the neighbourhood pests who like to scrape the paint with a nail, the marks are especially prominent. SignaturePeter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org Please note the changed e-mail and web addresses. The domain eepjm.newcastle.edu.au no longer exists, and I can no longer receive mail at my newcastle.edu.au addresses. The optusnet address could disappear at any time. > and a rear seat designed for passengers without knees. I would think that passengers without knees would need significantly more legroom than those that have them. SignatureEvan Kirshenbaum +------------------------------------ HP Laboratories |Politicians are like compost--they 1501 Page Mill Road, 1U, MS 1141 |should be turned often or they start Palo Alto, CA 94304 |to smell bad. kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com (650)857-7572 http://www.kirshenbaum.net/ > > and a rear seat designed for passengers without knees. > > I would think that passengers without knees would need significantly > more legroom than those that have them. Depends on if they used to have knees or not. -=Eric, whose grandfather is missing one leg from just above the knee. >> > and a rear seat designed for passengers without knees. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > -=Eric, whose grandfather is missing one leg from just above the knee. Ah. Good point. I was thinking of it as *just* missing knees, not knees and everything below. SignatureEvan Kirshenbaum +------------------------------------ HP Laboratories |So when can we quit passing laws and 1501 Page Mill Road, 1U, MS 1141 |raising taxes? When can we say of Palo Alto, CA 94304 |our political system, "Stick a fork |in it, it's done?" kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com | P.J. O'Rourke (650)857-7572 http://www.kirshenbaum.net/ Evan Kirshenbaum filted: >>> I would think that passengers without knees would need significantly >>> more legroom than those that have them. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Ah. Good point. I was thinking of it as *just* missing knees, not >knees and everything below. "The other day I saw a man with artificial legs and real feet" - Steven Wright ....r Signature"You got Schadenfreude on my Weltanschauung!" "You got Weltanschauung in my Schadenfreude!" |
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