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Discussion Groups / English Usage / June 2007Not to make too fine a point of it ...
I've seen this written: How in Heavens did you come up with [...]? Well, there's heaven, and there is the [Christian] Heaven. There's also the heavens. But there ain't no Heavens. Just pointing it out.  SignatureSkitt Unfettered by stuff learned at mother's knee Skitt filted: >I've seen this written: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Just pointing it out. When it's spoken, I tend to interpret it as "How in Heaven's [name] did you come up with?"...r Signature"You got Schadenfreude on my Weltanschauung!" "You got Weltanschauung in my Schadenfreude!" >> I've seen this written: >> How in Heavens did you come up with [...]? >> Well, there's heaven, and there is the [Christian] Heaven. There's also the >> heavens. But there ain't no Heavens. > When it's spoken, I tend to interpret it as "How in Heaven's [name] did you come > up with?". Oh no! Why did you mention idiomatic usage? How mean! People will read your comments then become so confused, their brains will explode. Messy, messy. SignaturePurl Gurl -- "Then again what can you expect from a fat-assed, champagne swilling, half-breed just off the Rez?" - Joe Kline > I've seen this written: > How in Heavens did you come up with [...]? > Well, there's heaven, and there is the [Christian] Heaven. There's also > the heavens. But there ain't no Heavens. For Heaven's sake, who wrote that? Do all people share the same notion of Heaven and Heavens, as you? Is Heaven only a Christian Heaven? Is there only one Heaven? Elysium! A once great nudist resort of the rich and famous. Alas, Elysium ran out of money. Now we all meet at Glen Helen. I am confused. Dictionaries display synonyms for heavens and for elysium which have proper first letter capitals. Why is a synonym proper capitalized but not the word to which a comparison is made? Reads to me dictionary writers are as confused as me! > Just pointing it out. Zip up your pants, boy. This is not a nudist resort. SignaturePurl Gurl -- "Then again what can you expect from a fat-assed, champagne swilling, half-breed just off the Rez?" - Joe Kline >> I've seen this written: > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Zip up your pants, boy. This is not a nudist resort. Don't get excited, girl. I knew you would, though. You can't help it. You can't stand being wrong, even when I tried to be nice and leave you completely out of it. Oh, well -- you exposed yourself, I didn't. See how you are? SignatureSkitt ar trakiem tikai ar labu Purl Gurl was thinking very hard : >> I've seen this written: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Is Heaven only a Christian Heaven? Yes. > Is there only one Heaven? > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > -- > Purl Gurl SignatureYours, Dan S. Correct spelling, in all its forms, is an abomination to the right-minded amoung us. Skitt was thinking very hard : > I've seen this written: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Just pointing it out. People tend to misinterpret II Cor. 12 where Paul speaks about the third heaven to coincide with the 7 heavens of other faiths ... my uneducated guess. SignatureYours, Dan S. Notably: not a sock > I've seen this written: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Just pointing it out. Interesting idea. My KJV says in Genesis 1.1: 'In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.' But by chapter 2 it's saying 'Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.' Whereas the NIV goes straight in with 'In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.' So the Christian version seems to be a heaven except when it's heavens. Have you got a Bible with a Heaven in it? SignatureJohn "Heavens to Murgatroyd!" Dean Oxford >> I've seen this written: >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > 'In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.' Right. Nothing I said above is contradicted by that. > But by chapter 2 it's saying > > 'Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of > them.' Again, nothing I said above is contradicted by that. > Whereas the NIV goes straight in with > > 'In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.' Ditto, as above. > So the Christian version seems to be a heaven except when it's > heavens. Have you got a Bible with a Heaven in it? I down own a bible, although there might be one somewhere out in the garage. Also, I didn't say that the word "heaven" *had* to be capitalized by Christians. It was someone else who once incorrectly alleged something like that in this group. The fact is, though, that it often is capitalized in that particular usage. I think that both M-W ONline and AHD4 have covered the common usage pretty well. I merely regurgitated it to the best of my ability. SignatureSkitt (Follower of the IPU) The Faith of the Invisible Pink Unicorns is based upon both logic and faith. We have faith that they are pink; we logically know that they are invisible because we can't see them." - Steve Eley >I've seen this written: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Just pointing it out. You have to be dancing cheek to cheek! While we're being persnickety, I think the idiomatic periphrasis of "To be blunt" is "Not to put too fine a point on it". Signature--- Joe Fineman joe_f@verizon.net ||: The decadence of the bourgeoisie coincides with that of the :|| ||: human species. :|| > While we're being persnickety, I think the idiomatic periphrasis of > "To be blunt" is "Not to put too fine a point on it". That it is. My subject line was there to attract comments. SignatureSkitt Give a man a fish, and he will know where to come for fish. Teach a man to fish, and he will kill your market base. >> While we're being persnickety, I think the idiomatic periphrasis of >> "To be blunt" is "Not to put too fine a point on it". > That it is. My subject line was there to attract comments. Heavens, you are generating a lot of comments! How about we discuss Hades and Hell next? For fun, we could toss in Devil just to be Devilish. SignaturePurl Gurl -- "Then again what can you expect from a fat-assed, champagne swilling, half-breed just off the Rez?" - Joe Kline >>> While we're being persnickety, I think the idiomatic periphrasis of >>> "To be blunt" is "Not to put too fine a point on it". [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >How about we discuss Hades and Hell next? For fun, >we could toss in Devil just to be Devilish. Go to Heaven for the climate and go to Hell for the company. > Skitt wrote: >>> While we're being persnickety, I think the idiomatic periphrasis of >>> "To be blunt" is "Not to put too fine a point on it". > >> That it is. My subject line was there to attract comments. > > Heavens, you are generating a lot of comments! Well, it got one! That's good enough for me. SignatureSkitt not greedy >>>> While we're being persnickety, I think the idiomatic periphrasis of >>>> "To be blunt" is "Not to put too fine a point on it". >>> That it is. My subject line was there to attract comments. >> Heavens, you are generating a lot of comments! > Well, it got one! That's good enough for me. Oh, Hell, you are doing better than just one! You are earning both heavenly responses and Hellish responses, or Heavenly and hellish, whichever, whatever, who cares, this is fun. Incidentally, I support your contention of sometimes Heaven and Hell being proper capitalized, and sometimes not being capitalized. We both know this is a matter of context. However, you would not be well entertained if I did not behave in my typical ornery fashion, I would not be a good Devil's Advocate. This is how God, in Her infinite wisdom intends me to be; ornery! SignaturePurl Gurl -- "Then again what can you expect from a fat-assed, champagne swilling, half-breed just off the Rez?" - Joe Kline > Skitt wrote: >>>>> While we're being persnickety, I think the idiomatic periphrasis >>>>> of "To be blunt" is "Not to put too fine a point on it". [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > This is how God, in Her infinite wisdom intends me to be; ornery! Please pass Peace Pipe, Purl. SignatureSkitt (snipped way bunches) >> This is how God, in Her infinite wisdom intends me to be; ornery! > Please pass Peace Pipe, Purl. I am not sure you would enjoy my vibrating dildo as much as I enjoy. (I have a peace pipe to scan for you, a little later) SignaturePurl Gurl -- "Then again what can you expect from a fat-assed, champagne swilling, half-breed just off the Rez?" - Joe Kline |
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