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Discussion Groups / English Usage / July 2007Elderly, shmelderly!
Elderly, shmelderly! From today's news: "El Dorado, Ark. (AP) - An elderly man beaten unconscious by an assailant wielding a soda can awoke and shot the man during an attempted robbery, police said. Willie Lee Hill, 93, told police he saw the robber while in his bedroom Wednesday night." [...] Hill is *93* goddamn years OLD. That's not "elderly." How old do you have to be to be described as "old"? This euphemistic misuse of "elderly" for half-dead OLD folks in their 80s and 90s bugs me every time I read it. ~~~ Rey, 71 ~~~ OLD, not elderly > Elderly, shmelderly! > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > ~~~ Rey, 71 ~~~ > OLD, not elderly What is your definition of elderly then? Rey filted: >Hill is *93* goddamn years OLD. That's not "elderly." How old do you >have to be to be described as "old"? This euphemistic misuse of [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >~~~ Rey, 71 ~~~ >OLD, not elderly I think of "elderly" as the more extreme condition...go still further and you become "venerable".... ("Wizened" is in there somewhere too)....r  Signature"You got Schadenfreude on my Weltanschauung!" "You got Weltanschauung in my Schadenfreude!" Reinhold (Rey) Aman quoted and commented: "El Dorado, Ark. (AP) - An elderly man beaten unconscious by an assailant wielding a soda can awoke and shot the man during an attempted robbery, police said. Willie Lee Hill, 93, told police he saw the robber while in his bedroom Wednesday night." [...] Hill is *93* goddamn years OLD. That's not "elderly." How old do you have to be to be described as "old"? This euphemistic misuse of "elderly" for half-dead OLD folks in their 80s and 90s bugs me every time I read it. I think of "elderly" as the more extreme condition... go still further and you become "venerable".... This man became beatified. -- --------------------------------------------- Richard Maurer To reply, remove half Sunnyvale, California of a homonym of a synonym for also. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Elderly, shmelderly! > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >~~~ Rey, 71 ~~~ >OLD, not elderly Aw, you ain't old. I think we use "elderly" to denote chronological age. You're not "old" until you act old. A guy who can still kick butt (e.g. Rey) ain't old. > Elderly, shmelderly! > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > "elderly" for half-dead OLD folks in their 80s and 90s bugs me every > time I read it. Just try to pull a gun on him old-timer, and you'll see who really is the elderly one, Jan > Hill is *93* goddamn years OLD. That's not "elderly." How old do you > have to be to be described as "old"? This euphemistic misuse of > "elderly" for half-dead OLD folks in their 80s and 90s bugs me every > time I read it. I thought we determined here some time ago that "elderly" meant anyone older than Sparky Cunningham. (I agree with OtherRon that "elderly" is the more extreme condition, so to say.) It does seem that there ought to be a term for "alive, but older than elderly". SignatureSalvatore Volatile > > Hill is *93* goddamn years OLD. That's not "elderly." How old do you > > have to be to be described as "old"? This euphemistic misuse of [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > It does seem that there ought to be a term for "alive, but older than > elderly". "Ancient"? > Elderly, shmelderly! > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > ~~~ Rey, 71 ~~~ > OLD, not elderly I agree he's old, not elderly, but a 93-year-old who takes 50 blows, recovers, and shoots his 24-year-old attacker isn't half-dead. -- John At 61, newly old. John O'Flaherty filted: >I agree he's old, not elderly, but a 93-year-old who takes 50 blows, >recovers, and shoots his 24-year-old attacker isn't half-dead. Is it even possible for someone under the age of, say, sixty to be "spry"?...r Signature"You got Schadenfreude on my Weltanschauung!" "You got Weltanschauung in my Schadenfreude!" > John O'Flaherty filted: > > >I agree he's old, not elderly, but a 93-year-old who takes 50 blows, > >recovers, and shoots his 24-year-old attacker isn't half-dead. > > Is it even possible for someone under the age of, say, sixty to be "spry"?...r Apparently not. There's even a spry.org. "Setting Priorities for Retirement Years". One of their things is "aging successfully". I guess that means "not dying... yet." -- John >> John O'Flaherty filted: >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > -- > John Someone on the CBC referred the other day to "a negative health outcome." When asked to define it, he said,"Death." Cheers, Sage [...] > Someone on the CBC referred the other day to "a negative health > outcome." When asked to define it, he said, "Death." Have you heard the latest ridiculous U.S. Government euphemism for "hunger"? It's something like "food insecurity." ~~~ Rey ~~~ > Someone on the CBC referred the other day to "a negative health > outcome." When asked to define it, he said,"Death." That's a lot like defining "collateral damage" as "civilian deaths". It's one example, but it leaves out a whole lot of other stuff that also counts. E.g., An individual is designated to have encountered a negative health outcome if the individual encounters bedsores, urinary-tract infection, falls, dehydration, malnutrition, or weight-loss within first six months of stay in the nursing home. http://gateway.nlm.nih.gov/MeetingAbstracts/102275715.html of a negative health outcome, that is, some kind of morbidity or, indeed, even mortality. http://her.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/reprint/5/2/281.pdf It is designed to utilize the key components in the Health Belief Model (Becker, 1974) where the young person learns that a negative health outcome (i.e. HIV) can be avoided, believes that a positive behavior will avoid it, and gains the confidence that he/she can successfully practice the positive behavior to avoid the negative outcome. http://www.aidsfund.org/naf/partners/partnersDisplay.cfm?PartnerID=25 SignatureEvan Kirshenbaum +------------------------------------ HP Laboratories |It is error alone which needs the 1501 Page Mill Road, 1U, MS 1141 |support of government. 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