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Discussion Groups / English Usage / September 2007=SDC= Q4. Roll reversal
If Carl is female, what's her brother's name? --- Adrian Bailey, T.O. Panellist > If Carl is female, what's her brother's name? Hard.  SignatureLars Eighner <http://larseighner.com/> <http://myspace.com/larseighner> Countdown: 504 days to go. What do you do when you're debranded? > If Carl is female, what's her brother's name? > > --- > > Adrian Bailey, T.O. Panellist Carlotta. SignatureStupot http://insignity.blogspot.com > If Carl is female, what's her brother's name? Sora. SignaturePeter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org For an e-mail address, see my web page. > If Carl is female, what's her brother's name? > > --- > > Adrian Bailey, T.O. Panellist Shirley. -- franzi > If Carl is female, what's her brother's name? > > --- > > Adrian Bailey, T.O. Panellist Lorrie. "Adrian Bailey" <dadge@hotmail.com> wrote in news:NO8Di.54686$g.41309 @fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk: > If Carl is female, what's her brother's name? Charlot > If Carl is female, what's her brother's name? Carol. But what's with the "roll"? That's a clue, right? SignatureMaria >> If Carl is female, what's her brother's name? > > Carol. > > But what's with the "roll"? That's a clue, right? Ok. Make that "Caroll." M. >> If Carl is female, what's her brother's name? > > Carol. > > But what's with the "roll"? That's a clue, right? Or, instead of Carol or Caroll, make it Carole. (Am I on a role?) M. > > If Carl is female, what's her brother's name? > > Carol. > > But what's with the "roll"? That's a clue, right? Yup. And wasn't Carl's surname Steel? Adrian > Maria wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Yup. And wasn't Carl's surname Steel? Beats me. Maybe this is some sort of role playing game question.... SignatureMaria > > > If Carl is female, what's her brother's name? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Yup. And wasn't Carl's surname Steel? Tommy, but he was Steele with an "e" and he rocked as well as rolled. -- franzi On Sep 9, 12:57 pm, franzi <et.in.arcadia.fra...@googlemail.com> wrote: > > "Maria" <marian....@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > -- > franzi >From http://carlstahlevita.co.uk/about.php "Established in 1880 as a small rope maker in S?ssen, Germany, Carl Stahl has grown through innovation and vision to employ over 650 people..." Stahl is steel. There has already been a guess for "Evita". I just don't get the reference to female, although I do know that German nouns have gender. Bill On Sep 9, 1:32 pm, blatvin...@yahoo.com wrote: > On Sep 9, 12:57 pm, franzi <et.in.arcadia.fra...@googlemail.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > don't get the reference to female, although I do know that German > nouns have gender. Juan Eva Peron had a brother named Juan > On Sep 9, 1:32 pm, blatvin...@yahoo.com wrote: >> Stahl is steel. There has already been a guess for "Evita". I just >> don't get the reference to female, although I do know that German [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Eva Peron had a brother named Juan And a second brother named Tu. SignaturePeter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org For an e-mail address, see my web page. On 9 Sep, 18:32, blatvin...@yahoo.com wrote: > On Sep 9, 12:57 pm, franzi <et.in.arcadia.fra...@googlemail.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > don't get the reference to female, although I do know that German > nouns have gender. An assembly of hintmatter. Given Carl, steel and rope, Carl Stahl the steel wire rope manufacturer with an Evita division seemed worth a punt. Die Unternehmensgruppe Carl Stahl is of course feminine. As for her brother: Bruder Stahl in deiner Hand Marschierst in fremdes Land Dort den Feind zu schlagen Deine Frau hat keine Tr?nen mehr Und unsere Mutter h?r` heimlich ich klagen Noch ziert dich die Uniform recht gut Doch bald ist sie getr?nkt mit Angst und Blut Der Schnitter wartet schon im weiten Feld Dein Lebenslicht, das bl?st er aus Du t?richter Held! Bruder, ich wei? jetzt musst du fort Ich h?r` sie kommen dort Die Reihen der Soldaten Doch der Tod ist nun dein bester Freund Von dem dir n?chtens tr?umt Er scharrt schon mit dem Spaten Bruder, nun brichst du das Gesetz T?test, sch?ndest und verletzt Sprich! Wo ist dein Gewissen Doch dein Weg kennt keine Wiederkehr Im Felde liegst du leer Verblutet und zerrissen Zierte einst die Uniform dich gut Doch jetzt ist sie getr?nkt mit Angst und Blut Der Schnitter triumphiert im weiten Feld Dein Lebenslicht, das blies er aus Gefallener Held! Not to my taste, nor any name. -- franzi Adrian Bailey, T.O. Plainsightist, wrote If Carl is female, what's her brother's name? Carl -- --------------------------------------------- Richard Maurer To reply, remove half Sunnyvale, California of a homonym of a synonym for also. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > If Carl is female, what's her brother's name? > > --- > > Adrian Bailey, T.O. Panellist Churl > If Carl is female, what's her brother's name? I'm at the end of my rope trying to think of a hint for this one. -- Jerry Friedman, T. O. hinter >> If Carl is female, what's her brother's name? > >I'm at the end of my rope trying to think of a hint for this one. Hang in there. SignatureTony Cooper Orlando, FL >>> If Carl is female, what's her brother's name? >> >>I'm at the end of my rope trying to think of a hint for this one. > >Hang in there. He. In researching this one, I ran across this: > I guess he should have included a disclaimer somewhere like: > "Any similarity between Morph the Cat and the Galesburg, Ill. > immortal poet lariat Carl Sandburgs The Fog are either > coincidental or subliminally meaningful and plagiaristic." Cowboy poetry perhaps? > > If Carl is female, what's her brother's name? > > I'm at the end of my rope trying to think of a hint for this one. Carla, feminine form of Carl. >>> If Carl is female, what's her brother's name? >> I'm at the end of my rope trying to think of a hint for this one. > > Carla, feminine form of Carl. Googling will find you a few women called Carl, but I've yet to find one who revealed the name of her brother. You might get somewhere looking for a Carl who was tied up at the end of her rope, but I have to say that I had no luck in that direction. Cognates for Carl (Karel, Charles, churl, etc.) have only led me in the masculine direction. SignaturePeter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org For an e-mail address, see my web page. >>>> If Carl is female, what's her brother's name? >>> I'm at the end of my rope trying to think of a hint for this one. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Cognates for Carl (Karel, Charles, churl, etc.) have only led me in > the masculine direction. Googling got me a female Carl, in some chatroom or other. Her brother's name was Ray, according to another chatter, and "r" is at one end of "rope"; but somehow I don't think that's interesting enough to be right. > >>>> If Carl is female, what's her brother's name? > >>> I'm at the end of my rope trying to think of a hint for this one. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > one end of "rope"; but somehow I don't think that's interesting enough > to be right. Don't be led too far astray by the question's anthropomorphic phrasing. Adrian, T.O.P. > > >>>> If Carl is female, what's her brother's name? > > >>> I'm at the end of my rope trying to think of a hint for this one. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Don't be led too far astray by the question's anthropomorphic phrasing. If Carl is a Carolus, her brother is Lewis Carroll. >>>>>> If Carl is female, what's her brother's name? >>>>> I'm at the end of my rope trying to think of a hint for this one. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Don't be led too far astray by the question's anthropomorphic phrasing. I tried dogs. It didn't help. SignaturePeter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org For an e-mail address, see my web page. >>>>> On Sep 4, 2:37 am, "Adrian Bailey" <da...@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> If Carl is female, what's her brother's name? >> Don't be led too far astray by the question's anthropomorphic phrasing. > >I tried dogs. It didn't help. I tried ships. But after a promising start, finding a ro-ro vessel called the Carl W F Borgward, I ground to a halt on discovering he was the only boy among twelve sisters. Still, if it's him, the answer is "He (or, in terms of the ship in question, she) didn't have one." SignatureKaty Jennison spamtrap: remove the first two letters after the @ > >>>>> On Sep 4, 2:37 am, "Adrian Bailey" <da...@hotmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>> If Carl is female, what's her brother's name? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I tried ships. You'd be better off trying British children's TV shows. Adrian, T.O.P. Adrian Bailey, T.O. Paneltwin, wrote If Carl is female, what's her brother's name? Yang -- --------------------------------------------- Richard Maurer To reply, remove half Sunnyvale, California of a homonym of a synonym for also. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> Don't be led too far astray by the question's anthropomorphic phrasing. >>> I tried dogs. It didn't help. >> I tried ships. > > You'd be better off trying British children's TV shows. Is this something to do with Achey Breaky, Itchy Twitchy, La-La and Po? SignaturePeter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org For an e-mail address, see my web page. Adrian Bailey, T.O. Panellant, wrote If Carl is female, what's her brother's name? Herman -- --------------------------------------------- Richard Maurer To reply, remove half Sunnyvale, California of a homonym of a synonym for also. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Adrian Bailey, T.O. Panellant, wrote > If Carl is female, what's her brother's name? > Herman That would be her husband, wouldn't it? SignaturePeter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org For an e-mail address, see my web page. > > >>>>> On Sep 4, 2:37 am, "Adrian Bailey" <da...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > >>>>>> If Carl is female, what's her brother's name? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > You'd be better off trying British children's TV shows. Since I gave that clue, The Little Drummer Boy has been in my head. (But La Cucaracha would be more appropriate.) Adrian, T.O.P. > > "Wood Avens" <woodav...@askjennison.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Since I gave that clue, The Little Drummer Boy has been in my head. > (But La Cucaracha would be more appropriate.) Then it is Archie (or is it archy?). -- franzi Adrian Bailey, T.O. Panellant, wrote If Carl is female, what's her brother's name? Richard Maurer wrote: Herman Adrian, T.O.P., wrote: Since I gave that clue, The Little Drummer Boy has been in my head. (But La Cucaracha would be more appropriate.) Well, what is on the back of the card? Brother Herman? Herman the Ant? Brother Herman the Ant? -- --------------------------------------------- Richard Maurer To reply, remove half Sunnyvale, California of a homonym of a synonym for also. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>> If Carl is female, what's her brother's name? > >>>>> I'm at the end of my rope trying to think of a hint for this one. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > I tried dogs. It didn't help. Well, you are way ahead of me there. I was mainly thinking inside the men vs women box: Carl meaning 'free man', Carla, symbol of Venus. So that all dogs go to heaven, but women are from Venus, brother Mars. By the way, I had been to the masculine departments, such as Irish: Séarlas. Scottish Gaelic: Teàrlach. Welsh: Siarl. Dutch: Karel, C(h)arel. Scandinavian: Karl. French: Charles. Spanish: Carlos. Catalan: Carles. Portuguese: Carlos. Italian: Carlo. Polish: Karol. Czech: Karel. Finnish: Kaarle. Hungarian: Károly. Lithuanian: Karolis. But there was no bell to ring. >> >>>>>> If Carl is female, what's her brother's name? >> >>>>> I'm at the end of my rope trying to think of a hint for this one. [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >Portuguese: Carlos. Italian: Carlo. Polish: Karol. Czech: Karel. Finnish: Kaarle. >Hungarian: Károly. Lithuanian: Karolis. But there was no bell to ring. Does Carl have to be a given name? Just thinking out loud. > If Carl is female, what's her brother's name? > Does Carl have to be a given name? > Just thinking out loud. Be quiet, I'm almost there... Okay, so here goes, her brother's name is Charles Bingley from Jane Austen's novel: Pride and Prejudice. > >>> If Carl is female, what's her brother's name? > >> I'm at the end of my rope trying to think of a hint for this one. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > that I had no luck in that direction. Cognates for Carl (Karel, Charles, > churl, etc.) have only led me in the masculine direction. O Fortuna O Fortune, velut luna like the moon Carmina Burana by Carl Orff >>>> If Carl is female, what's her brother's name? >>> I'm at the end of my rope trying to think of a hint for this one. >> >> Carla, feminine form of Carl. Wouldn't it be "Carle", then? At the end of "rope" is "e". Therefore, I guessing "Eric Carle", the designer of the eggs at the White House Easter Egg Roll and an author of children's books. SignatureTony Cooper Orlando, FL >> If Carl is female, what's her brother's name? > > I'm at the end of my rope trying to think of a hint for this one. Perhaps there is something interesting here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Carl_is_a_girl I can't find http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_is_a_girl back though. Neither Google Cache nor the Internet Archive Wayback Machine seems to help. > > If Carl is female, what's her brother's name? > > I'm at the end of my rope trying to think of a hint for this one. Evita -- franzi > > If Carl is female, what's her brother's name? > > I'm at the end of my rope trying to think of a hint for this one. I don't blame you. Everyone's fumbling. -- Michael Hamm T.O. Panelist >> > If Carl is female, what's her brother's name? >> >> I'm at the end of my rope trying to think of a hint for this one. > >I don't blame you. Everyone's fumbling. Umm, Mr. Tumble? > > > If Carl is female, what's her brother's name? > > > > I'm at the end of my rope trying to think of a hint for this one. > > I don't blame you. Everyone's fumbling. I blame Lady Caroline Lamb. > If Carl is female, what's her brother's name? > > --- > > Adrian Bailey, T.O. Panellist Juan Ram?n Duarte -- WH > If Carl is female, what's her brother's name? Carl. Carl Original http://tinyurl.com/2shdzx > If Carl is female, what's her brother's name? Theodore (or Dwight)? SignatureAlec Kojaev St.Petersburg, Russia [30E18 59N56] >> If Carl is female, what's her brother's name? > > Theodore (or Dwight)? Now that I read a bit more, Dwight looks like a better choice. SignatureAlec Kojaev St.Petersburg, Russia [30E18 59N56] >If Carl is female, what's her brother's name? I'm going to say Bun, but only because of the slugline. >>If Carl is female, what's her brother's name? > >I'm going to say Bun, but only because of the slugline. Oh, but here's a Conrad who had a sister Carl: http://w2.byuh.edu/library/obituaries/1998/C.htm Still fully anthropomorphic, though, more's the pity. Does Shaun the Sheep have a sister? >>>If Carl is female, what's her brother's name? >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Does Shaun the Sheep have a sister? Probably, but not a named one, or at least not that I've noticed. I was looking for puppets, following an earlier hint. But that got me nowhere, either. SignatureKaty Jennison spamtrap: remove the first two letters after the @ >>>> If Carl is female, what's her brother's name? >>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > I was looking for puppets, following an earlier hint. But that got me > nowhere, either. Have we done Lorca? SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com On Sep 24, 1:42 pm, "Mike Lyle" <mike_lyle...@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> wrote: > >>>> If Carl is female, what's her brother's name? > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Have we done Lorca? I think looking up "carl" in an unabridged dictionary will do it. It's in the NSOED, anyway. -- Jerry Friedman, Totally Too Late Hinter >On Sep 24, 1:42 pm, "Mike Lyle" <mike_lyle...@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> >wrote: [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >I think looking up "carl" in an unabridged dictionary will do it. >It's in the NSOED, anyway. Good grief! Fimble. Oh well. Our present garden's a bit small for a sheep, anyway. SignatureKaty Jennison spamtrap: remove the first two letters after the @ On Sep 24, Wood Avens abed: > Good grief! Fimble. Thank you. > Oh well. Our present garden's a bit small for a sheep, anyway. Sorry about that. Michael Hamm Totally Official Unofficial Too-Late Thanker > On Sep 24, Wood Avens abed: >> Good grief! Fimble. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Michael Hamm > Totally Official Unofficial Too-Late Thanker Maybe not quite too-late, if the Committee is prepared to be flexible. I stumbled into a belated thank-you for commenting that verbal music was the link between Swinburne, Bombadil, R. Knox and P. Rupert (and M. Vallejo), justifying the link by saying that Knox sometimes preached in metrical prose. Jerry pointed out the TO reason, his well-known stealth limerick, and said he hadn't been aware of the metrical-prose factor. Since that time, I have been searching desultorily for the source of my statement, with no success. I did a great deal of googling on that question, using many different combinations of terms, and saw something, somewhere, about his style that I thought justified my statement; but now I find that, not only is that indication unretrievable, but Knox's sermons show no trace, that I can see, of rhythm. If I had been posting an answer to the question instead of a casual comment on Nick's answer, I would have gone back to look for that evidence, probably failed to find it, and killed the post once again. Under the circumstances, I feel uneasy about accepting that sheep -- but the dear little creature should not be left wandering the pastures of Limbo, especially now that the place does not exist. In all justice and kindness to an orphaned beast, would the Committee not consider granting it to Katy for her genial* and only slightly mistimed answer to a really, really hard question? *It's time to restore the direct link to "genius", IMO. > msh...@math.wustl.edu wrote: > > On Sep 24, Wood Avens abed: [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > *It's time to restore the direct link to "genius", IMO. "En principe, oui," and I admire your sportsmanship, but Katy's answer was after a hint that I wouldn't have given while sheep were still at stake. Your sheep is neither here nor there (nor in Limbo), in my perhaps not sufficiently humble opinion, as you're not the only shepherd enovinated for the T. O. answer without the T. O. reason. On the other hand, I hate for QZERO to go to waste, and we can't use it again (or at least I have no intention of doing so), so I think there could still be a Katahdin for that question, which is free not only of numerals but also of spaces and punctuation. -- Jerry Friedman, T. O. Sheeptyrant >> msh...@math.wustl.edu wrote: >> > On Sep 24, Wood Avens abed: [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] >there could still be a Katahdin for that question, which is free not >only of numerals but also of spaces and punctuation. I, too, celebrate this sportsmanship, but honesty compels me to admit that I'd never have got it without that hint - and also that, given the hint, I'd have thought almost anyone else could have got it too. SignatureKaty Jennison spamtrap: remove the first two letters after the @ [conscience, the persistence of enovination, and of hope (videte infra)] >> On the other hand, I hate for QZERO to go to waste, and we can't >> use it again (or at least I have no intention of doing so), so I [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > given the hint, I'd have thought almost anyone else could have got > it too. That settles it, I guess. Little Iphigeneia's fate is come upon her, and there will be a virtual barbecue sometime soon in my virtual backyarden. Yer all virtually invited, and your flocks; a selection of grasses will be available for those who prefer them. Adrian Bailey, in a T.O. Installment, wrote: If Carl is female, what's her brother's name? Katy Jennison wrote: Good grief! Fimble. OK, now I understand the question and answer, but the pre-dictionary hints still throw me. What was with the cartoons and songs and ...? -- --------------------------------------------- Richard Maurer To reply, remove half Sunnyvale, California of a homonym of a synonym for also. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Adrian Bailey, in a T.O. Installment, wrote: > If Carl is female, what's her brother's name? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > but the pre-dictionary hints still throw me. > What was with the cartoons and songs and ...? I mentioned rope and Michael used the word "fumble", which should be clear at least in hindsight. I assume "La Cucaracha" was for the chorus, which mentions "marihuana" (and there's also a pun on "roach"). I don't know from British children's TV shows. -- Jerry Friedman >> Adrian Bailey, in a T.O. Installment, wrote: >> If Carl is female, what's her brother's name? [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >chorus, which mentions "marihuana" (and there's also a pun on >"roach"). I don't know from British children's TV shows. See http://www.bbc.co.uk/cbeebies/fimbles/ and/or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fimbles SignatureKaty Jennison spamtrap: remove the first two letters after the @ Richard Maurer wrote: OK, now I understand the question and answer, but the pre-dictionary hints still throw me. What was with the cartoons and songs and ...? Jerry Friedman wrote: I mentioned rope and Michael used the word "fumble", which should be clear at least in hindsight. I assume "La Cucaracha" was for the chorus, which mentions "marihuana" (and there's also a pun on "roach"). I don't know from British children's TV shows. And how did the Lone Ranger get involved? -- --------------------------------------------- Richard Maurer To reply, remove half Sunnyvale, California of a homonym of a synonym for also. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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