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alishadevochka@gmail.com - 21 Oct 2007 21:53 GMT Guys remember I was first one who posted question about sexual relationship between Harry Potter & Dumbledore (The head master of magical school). Also, I also asked if Dumbledore's brother was having sex with sheeps...
This what Rowling told newspaper!!!
You thought it was Harry Potter who was forced to live in a closet. In fact it was his mentor, Albus Dumbledore. On Friday, while addressing a group of fans at New York's Carnegie Hall, his creator, J.K. Rowling, was asked if the late headmaster of Hogwarts had ever enjoyed passion in his life. She replied: "My truthful answer to you is that I have always thought of Dumbledore as gay."
http://blogs.smh.com.au/sit/archives/2007/10/reassessments_dumbledore_comes.html
Anyway, I thought I should post this here b/c I was right on target, and most of the guys thought I miss-understood due to my bad english. I stand by what I have said b4 Harry Potter was having sex with Dumbledore. Also remember, before Chang he spent lots of with Ron's brother. So do be surprise when Rowling tells you that Harry is bi- sexual we know his wife is!!!
See I was the first who questioned the stuff in book!!!
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HVS - 21 Oct 2007 22:03 GMT On 21 Oct 2007, wrote
> I stand by what I have said b4 Harry Potter was > having sex with Dumbledore. That's not what Rowling's been quoted as saying.
Too bad you read what you want to see, rather than what's written.
alishadevochka@gmail.com - 21 Oct 2007 22:35 GMT > On 21 Oct 2007, wrote > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Too bad you read what you want to see, rather than what's written. Also explain follow points
Did Flitwick have a very tiny wife somewhere? How come there are no female centaurs?
Where did all the teachers go when school wasn't in session?
It is interesting to think about.
For the uninitiated, centaurs are 1/2 human, 1/2 horse who usually get to have sex with girls from magical school! Although Harry was "riding" one of them!
josh@phred.org - 22 Oct 2007 02:51 GMT As Rowling actually did say, "Think of the fan fiction!"
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alishadevochka@gmail.com - 22 Oct 2007 08:56 GMT On Oct 21, 9:51 pm, <j...@phred.org> wrote:
> As Rowling actually did say, "Think of the fan fiction!" Let's stick to the subject here. Ka is a wheel ain't gonna help anyone where. We have Dark Tower situation here! We the reader journeyed with Roland, the gunslinger, and at last he reaches the tower and brrrrrrr. Ooh let's not forget King put himself in the book was just stupid and ruined everything (talk about having no shame..), non stop reminder about being hit by the van BS. No hell hot enough for Stephen King
Going back to HP. I reported the fact that Harry Potter was having sexual relation with head-master. The proof is Book #7 itself. I also provied the referces. Also in Book #5, #6 Girls were interested in having sex with 1/2 human horse.
Dunno if you read previous books it or not, Hermione Jean Granger said some to the fact which clearly meant she didn't prefer "horse penis", and she was careful to state in way that so it didn't look like it is a pure-blood over mud-blood racism, although she married a pure blood Harry's side-kicked Ron.
I know most of Harry fan gonna go after me like loons, but this is truth:
Girls were having sex with horses. Head Master's brother was having sex with sheep. Harry's first sexual partner was his side-kick Ron. Ginny Harry's wife was having sex with her sister-in-law. The one who must not be names was molested by Dumbledore, and this turn him to the dark-side. Also 2nd Dark Wizard was Dumbledore sexual partner! Also Dumbledore hated mud-blood, and like a typical European he blamed mud-blood for raping his sister (who was raped by one of his gay partner (pure blood).
I will be more then happy to back-up my claims in this post. as I have all seven books with me for referece. Don't be shock if in ten years Rowling reveals what I stated up.
Mike M - 22 Oct 2007 09:01 GMT On 22 Oct, 08:56, alishadevoc...@gmail.com wrote:
> Let's stick to the subject here. Ka is a wheel ain't gonna help anyone > where. We have Dark Tower situation here! We the reader journeyed with > Roland, the gunslinger, and at last he reaches the tower and brrrrrrr. > Ooh let's not forget King put himself in the book was just stupid and > ruined everything (talk about having no shame..), non stop reminder > about being hit by the van BS. No hell hot enough for Stephen King a.u.e. Paragraph Of The Month.
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Vinny Burgoo - 22 Oct 2007 11:32 GMT In alt.usage.english, alishadevotchka wrote:
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>I know most of Harry fan gonna go after me like loons, but this is >truth: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >mud-blood for raping his sister (who was raped by one of his gay >partner (pure blood). That's only the half of it. Harry Potter is a Totally Official war criminal. Shami Chakrabarti, the director of the National Council for Civil Liberties, says so, and you don't argue with people like that.
http://news.independent.co.uk/people/profiles/article2896174.ece
"I'm probably the biggest Harry Potter fan over the age of 12," she says as I pass her one of J K Rowling's heavier volumes. "Yes," she says finally, biting out the words with disappointment. "Yes, Harry Potter has tortured someone. That was a war crime." ... "Crucio is proper torture and that fits with article 3 of the ECHR [European Convention on Human rights]," says Chakrabarti. "It's just wrong."
Actually, I will argue with Ms Chakrabarti, just for the hell of it. As I understand it, young Harry gets in a bait when some other chap spits at Harry's favourite beak during class and Harry uses the Crucio curse to inflict unbearable pain on the other chap. Torture, perhaps, but a war crime, in English usage? Where's the war? Labelling such mundane classroom cruelty a war crime is typical knee-jerk left-liberal quangocratic legalistic hyperbole.
Or is it? Perhaps there is more to this than meets the eye. Ms Chakrabarti bears a striking resemblance to Harry Potter; the chap Harry tortures bears the name of Britain's largest union of manufacturing workers. Is Ms Chakrabarti's contention that Harry is a war criminal an artefact of some unfathomable inner conflict?
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Father Ignatius - 22 Oct 2007 13:10 GMT > That's only the half of it. Harry Potter is a Totally > Official war criminal. Shami Chakrabarti, the director of > the National Council for Civil Liberties, says so, and > you don't argue with people like that. > > http://news.independent.co.uk/people/profiles/article2896174.ece "second-generation immigrant"?
Peter Duncanson - 22 Oct 2007 13:35 GMT >> That's only the half of it. Harry Potter is a Totally >> Official war criminal. Shami Chakrabarti, the director of [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >"second-generation immigrant"? Unless I'm confused (no jokes please) "second-generation immigrant" means the child of an immigrant born in the country to which the immigrant immigrated.
Shami Chakrabarti was born in London of Indian parents.
I think the idea behind the phrase "second-generation immigrant" is that such a person, although a native-born Brit (in Shami's case), is still influenced by the immigrant culture and ways of thought of her/his parents. Obviously there are considerable variations.
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Peter Duncanson - 22 Oct 2007 13:52 GMT >immigrant culture By this I mean, in Shami's case, the "personal" culture of her Indian parents living in London.
There may be a Totally Official (NatE: Korrect) definition of "immigrant culture" which may or may not align with my use of the phrase.
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Vinny Burgoo - 22 Oct 2007 14:45 GMT In alt.usage.english, Peter Duncanson wrote:
>On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 13:35:55 +0100, Peter Duncanson
>>immigrant culture > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >"immigrant culture" which may or may not align with my use of >the phrase. I doubt that the Independent meant to suggest anything like that. Indeed I'm surprised that the Indie felt it necessary to mention her background at all. It usually avoids mentioning people's ethnicity if it can.
The reference was probably included because immigration levels are currently being questioned by everyone except the Indie. (As far as I can tell, the Indie didn't even cover the recent official prediction that immigrants and their children will push Britain's population to 75 million by 2050.) Pointing out that a high-achieving quangocrat like Shami is the daughter of immigrants might have been a way of reminding the faithful that immigration is good for Britain. (Quangocracy too, of course.)
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Vinny Burgoo - 22 Oct 2007 15:51 GMT In alt.usage.english, Vinny Burgoo wrote:
>In alt.usage.english, Peter Duncanson wrote: >>On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 13:35:55 +0100, Peter Duncanson
>>>immigrant culture >> >>By this I mean, in Shami's case, the "personal" culture of her >>Indian parents living in London. [...]
>(Quangocracy too, of course.) Responding to yourself is allowed in this thread, so -
After posting that, I realised that Liberty probably isn't a proper quango. Some of its funding comes from the state, usually via unambiguously quangoish quangos or from the EU (the world's first quasi-non-autonomous non-governmental government, or qnangg), but that probably isn't enough for quangodom. Liberty started life as a fully independent body. The state-funding has muddied that a bit but it is still fairly independent (or Independent, anyway). As I understand it, proper quangos are essentially government departments that have been disguised as independent bodies for murky and mysterious reasons - the British Potato Council, for example, or the UK Film Council (which invested and lost £1 million pounds in _The Sex Lives of the Potato Men_) or Lord Kinnock's British Council (3,210 pages about potatoes at the British Council website - I think I see a trend emerging).
What say the experts and quasi-experts of AUE? Is Liberty a quango? A semi-demi-hemi-quango? Or simply a pressure group?
<http://www.liberty-human-rights.org.uk/>
(No obvious potatoes.)
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HVS - 22 Oct 2007 16:20 GMT On 22 Oct 2007, Vinny Burgoo wrote
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> What say the experts and quasi-experts of AUE? Is Liberty a > quango? A semi-demi-hemi-quango? Or simply a pressure group? I agree that Liberty is not a quango -- it's fully autonomous, not quasi-so -- but it's definitely more than just a pressure group.
So it's an NGO which, I believe, has "must consult" statutory status; there are a lot of those about.
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Vinny Burgoo - 22 Oct 2007 18:17 GMT In alt.usage.english, HVS wrote:
>On 22 Oct 2007, Vinny Burgoo wrote
>> What say the experts and quasi-experts of AUE? Is Liberty a >> quango? A semi-demi-hemi-quango? Or simply a pressure group? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >So it's an NGO which, I believe, has "must consult" statutory status; >there are a lot of those about. Surely "must consult" statutory status makes it part of the government (if not the Government)?
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HVS - 22 Oct 2007 18:49 GMT On 22 Oct 2007, Vinny Burgoo wrote
> In alt.usage.english, HVS wrote: >> On 22 Oct 2007, Vinny Burgoo wrote [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Surely "must consult" statutory status makes it part of the > government (if not the Government)? I don't think so. In my own field, organisations like the Georgian Group, SPAB, and the Victorian Society have statutory rights to be consulted on alterations to listed buildinigs which fall within their area of expertise.
I wouldn't include any of those as "part of the government".
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Mike Barnes - 22 Oct 2007 20:03 GMT In alt.usage.english, Vinny Burgoo wrote:
>In alt.usage.english, HVS wrote: >>On 22 Oct 2007, Vinny Burgoo wrote [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >Surely "must consult" statutory status makes it part of the government >(if not the Government)? No: for instance I'm a member of a very modest local society which concerns itself with public footpaths, and must be consulted by planning authorities if a planning application might have an impact on a public right of way. No way are we "part of the government". Of course the planning authorities are completely free to ignore the results of the consultation.
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Vinny Burgoo - 24 Oct 2007 18:45 GMT In alt.usage.english, Mike Barnes wrote:
>In alt.usage.english, Vinny Burgoo wrote: >>In alt.usage.english, HVS wrote:
>>>So it's an NGO which, I believe, has "must consult" statutory status; >>>there are a lot of those about. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >planning authorities are completely free to ignore the results of the >consultation. Hmmmm. (And "Hmmmm" to Harvey, too.) Part of the administration, then? The management? Once you're in by statute, you're part of whatever it is - surely? - even if the rest of the whatever-it-is is free to ignore your recommendations.
(But how about "consultocracy"?)
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Mike Lyle - 22 Oct 2007 16:31 GMT [...]
> What say the experts and quasi-experts of AUE? Is Liberty a quango? A > semi-demi-hemi-quango? Or simply a pressure group? > > <http://www.liberty-human-rights.org.uk/> I've been a member of at least one quango: so important was it as a thread in the warped weft of officialdom that I can't actually remember what it was called, and nobody even hinted that I might get a K out of it. Liberty is a pressure group, I'd say, not a quango: for obvious operational reasons it's separate from its parent charitable trust, which is even less a quango. I'm not comfortable with the news that it receives government money, however "government" may be defined --I hadn't realized that it did --but it still seems independent (not Independent) to me.
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Vinny Burgoo - 22 Oct 2007 18:29 GMT In alt.usage.english, Mike Lyle wrote:
>I've been a member of at least one quango: so important was it as a >thread in the warped weft of officialdom that I can't actually remember >what it was called, It'll have change its name by now anyway. Or it will if your quangitude is more than six month's defunct.
>and nobody even hinted that I might get a K out of it. Which negative implies a further positive proof of my theory: there's lots of potassium in potatoes.
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Peter Duncanson - 22 Oct 2007 16:47 GMT >What say the experts and quasi-experts of AUE? Is Liberty a quango? A >semi-demi-hemi-quango? Or simply a pressure group? > ><http://www.liberty-human-rights.org.uk/> Hemidemisemiquasi-expert:
It started as a pressure group and appears to remain one today. There are no signs of quango-ness[1] in the info on the website.
It is a members organisation registered as a company. It is not a charity. Some of its activities are too political for it to qualify as such. However it has a non-identical twin the "Civil Liberties Trust" which is a charity and funds charitable activities by "Liberty": http://www.liberty-human-rights.org.uk/about/6-structure/index.shtml
[1] I first typed Quango-ness without a hyphen: Quangoness. This looked all wrong. Quangoness looks as though it would be hyphenated as Quan-goness.
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Vinny Burgoo - 22 Oct 2007 18:17 GMT In alt.usage.english, Peter Duncanson wrote:
>On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:51:02 +0100, Vinny Burgoo
>>What say the experts and quasi-experts of AUE? Is Liberty a quango? A >>semi-demi-hemi-quango? Or simply a pressure group? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >It started as a pressure group and appears to remain one today. >There are no signs of quango-ness[1] in the info on the website. No. I had to go a-digging for the telltale spuds of state funding.
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>[1] I first typed Quango-ness without a hyphen: Quangoness. This >looked all wrong. Quangoness looks as though it would be >hyphenated as Quan-goness. Or Qua-ngoness, which is Shona for "acting in her capacity as Lady Mayor".
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Father Ignatius - 22 Oct 2007 18:32 GMT > Or Qua-ngoness, which is Shona for "acting in her > capacity as Lady Mayor". That's "Kwa-ngoness" in the new orthography, I think you'll find. cf. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kwe_Kwe
Leslie Danks - 22 Oct 2007 19:15 GMT >> Or Qua-ngoness, which is Shona for "acting in her >> capacity as Lady Mayor". > > That's "Kwa-ngoness" in the new orthography, I think you'll find. > cf. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kwe_Kwe Is there a Kwa-ngoness Monster?
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Vinny Burgoo - 22 Oct 2007 14:45 GMT In alt.usage.english, Father Ignatius wrote:
>> That's only the half of it. Harry Potter is a Totally >> Official war criminal. Shami Chakrabarti, the director of [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >"second-generation immigrant"? Since she joined the civil rights group Liberty in 2001, on the day before 9/11, this tiny, determined, second-generation immigrant has been one of the biggest irritants for New Labour's authoritarians this side of Afghanistan's Tora Bora caves.
Bin Laden an irritant to authoritarians? Isn't that like saying that Death is an irritant to the Sniffles?
Anyone would think that the crazy mixed-up rich kid is fighting for freedom.
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Mike Lyle - 22 Oct 2007 15:13 GMT > In alt.usage.english, Father Ignatius wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Bin Laden an irritant to authoritarians? Isn't that like saying that > Death is an irritant to the Sniffles? It was probably by that fool woman Deborah Orr.
> Anyone would think that the crazy mixed-up rich kid is fighting for > freedom. I was infuriated by that comma between "determined" and "second-generation": it's an affront to civilised values.
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Vinny Burgoo - 22 Oct 2007 18:17 GMT In alt.usage.english, Mike Lyle wrote:
>> Since she joined the civil rights group Liberty in 2001, on >> the day before 9/11, this tiny, determined, second-generation >> immigrant has been one of the biggest irritants for New >> Labour's authoritarians this side of Afghanistan's Tora Bora >> caves. [...]
>I was infuriated by that comma between "determined" and >"second-generation": it's an affront to civilised values. You would have preferred "tiny, determined second-generation immigrant"? Wouldn't that have implied that she had gone before a panel of unsmiling functionaries that had been charged with determining exactly how many generations ago her family had arrived here?
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Archie Valparaiso - 22 Oct 2007 19:04 GMT >In alt.usage.english, Mike Lyle wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >functionaries that had been charged with determining exactly how many >generations ago her family had arrived here? Not to me. I'm with Mike (as I am 99.97% of the time on punctuationary matters). The "second-generation" in "second-generation immigrant" is part of a noun phrase, not the last in a list of adjectives. Replace "second-generation immigrant" with "second-home owner" or "second-city dweller", and
tiny, determined, second-home owner
tiny, determined, second-city dweller
would be an owner who is tiny, determined and second-home.
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Vinny Burgoo - 24 Oct 2007 18:35 GMT In alt.usage.english, Archie Valparaiso wrote:
>On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:17:17 +0100, Vinny Burgoo <hlunnh@yahoo.co.uk> >>In alt.usage.english, Mike Lyle wrote:
>>>I was infuriated by that comma between "determined" and >>>"second-generation": it's an affront to civilised values. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >would be an owner who is tiny, determined and second-home. Well, yes. Is a "tiny, determined, second-generation immigrant" not an immigrant who is tiny, determined and second-generation? An unusual emphasis (on "immigrant") for an Indie article but ...
The problem arises because "immigrant" is an adjective playing at being a noun.* Might the description not be less contentious if it were "tiny, determined, second-generation immigrant woman/person/hemi-demi-semi-quangocrat"?
*[Checks NSOED; ignores evidence to the contrary.]
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Evan Kirshenbaum - 24 Oct 2007 21:33 GMT > The problem arises because "immigrant" is an adjective playing at > being a noun.* > > > *[Checks NSOED; ignores evidence to the contrary.] Yup. Not only has it been a noun since 1792, according to the OED, they don't actually cite it as an adjective until 1805.
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Per Rønne - 27 Oct 2007 20:31 GMT > > http://news.independent.co.uk/people/profiles/article2896174.ece > > "second-generation immigrant"? Child of a person who has migrated to another country, where the child was born.
The child's children are called 3rd generation immigrants and so on, until they have become so fully integrated or assimilated into their adopted country that nobody consider them alien at all.
The term has evolved in Europe as a natural result of the immigration from 'less developed countries' that has taken place for the last decades.
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Will - 22 Oct 2007 16:14 GMT [...]
> Actually, I will argue with Ms Chakrabarti, just for the hell of it. As > I understand it, young Harry gets in a bait ... That would be a "bate".
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HVS - 22 Oct 2007 16:23 GMT On 22 Oct 2007, Will wrote
> [...] >> Actually, I will argue with Ms Chakrabarti, just for the hell >> of it. As I understand it, young Harry gets in a bait ... > > That would be a "bate". Now, you *know* you need to be careful in here.
My reaction was the same as yours, but I checked and discovered that Collins lists "bait" as a legitimate variant spelling.
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Don Phillipson - 22 Oct 2007 16:38 GMT > http://news.independent.co.uk/people/profiles/article2896174.ece > . . . [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > classroom cruelty a war crime is typical knee-jerk left-liberal > quangocratic legalistic hyperbole. Also a negative indicator of privilege. Someone who would say something so silly has no personal experience of personal assault and battery, a crime in civilized jurisdictions.
Mind you this reflects the "mission creep" typical of those parts of international law that have obvious moral implications. Lawyers and judges at Nuremburg 1945-6 coined "crimes against humanity" to identify punishable conduct that was before 1945 not defined by statute as a crime (like murder, wounding, destruction of private property) viz. deportation etc.; but when the UN defined "crimes against humanity" a few years later it defined them so as to include acts of murder and personal injury that were already miliitary or civil crimes. Sundry optimists now also tallk about "crimes against human rights," e.g. denying someone the vote, as if most were not already clearly specified as impairments of statutory civil rights.
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Mike Lyle - 22 Oct 2007 21:22 GMT >> http://news.independent.co.uk/people/profiles/article2896174.ece >> . . . [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > e.g. denying someone the vote, as if most were not already > clearly specified as impairments of statutory civil rights. Well, she /is/ a lawyer specialising in that kind of thing. But/So [strike out whichever does not apply] I think it's probably wrong to take her au pied de la lettre here: it doesn't seem unreasonable to read it as "that would have been a war crime if it had been done in the course of a war".
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Vinny Burgoo - 24 Oct 2007 18:49 GMT In alt.usage.english, Don Phillipson wrote:
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>> http://news.independent.co.uk/people/profiles/article2896174.ece >> . . . [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >something so silly has no personal experience of personal >assault and battery, a crime in civilized jurisdictions. Why "negative indicator"? And who is "silly": me or Shami? (Not bothered either way. Just struggling with the sense.)
>Mind you this reflects the "mission creep" typical of those >parts of international law that have obvious moral implications. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >e.g. denying someone the vote, as if most were not already >clearly specified as impairments of statutory civil rights. "Human rights" is a feelgood scam.
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Father Ignatius - 24 Oct 2007 14:45 GMT josh@phred.org <josh@phred.org> het geskryf:
> As Rowling actually did say, "Think of the fan fiction!" From today's Borowitz Report (http://www.borowitzreport.com/)
Bush Seeks to Ban Marriage Between Fictitious Gay Characters Harry Potter Revelation Prompts President’s Move
Just days after “Harry Potter” author J.K. Rowling revealed that the popular professor character Albus Dumbledore was gay, President George W. Bush told the nation that he would seek a ban on fictitious gay weddings.
In a nationally televised address last night [...] While the president’s address was for the most part consistent with his earlier statements on gay marriage, it was uncharacteristic in that it demonstrated an awareness of books. [...]
Pat Durkin - 24 Oct 2007 17:24 GMT > josh@phred.org <josh@phred.org> het geskryf: > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > of > books. [...] I can't resist this. The other day (or a week + ago) a commentator on CNN segued into the Gay Dumbledore discussion by announcing: Reality comes to Harry Potter.
alishadevochka@gmail.com - 22 Oct 2007 14:43 GMT > On 21 Oct 2007, wrote > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Too bad you read what you want to see, rather than what's written. She admits that Dumbledore is gay "She replied: "My truthful answer to you is that I have always thought of Dumbledore as gay.""
Now, re-read Harry Potter Book #7, 5, 3. Infact, Voldemort was a decent guy until some Dumbledore raped his a.s, turning him into the vicious dark lord. Go back and re-read and then tell us what "really" went on in "the chamber of secrets?
tony cooper - 22 Oct 2007 15:45 GMT >> On 21 Oct 2007, wrote >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >She admits that Dumbledore is gay "She replied: "My truthful answer to >you is that I have always thought of Dumbledore as gay.""
>Now, re-read Harry Potter Book #7, 5, 3. Infact, Voldemort was a >decent guy until some Dumbledore raped his a.s, turning him into the >vicious dark lord. Go back and re-read and then tell us what "really" >went on in "the chamber of secrets? "What 'really' went on"? Here's me under the impression that this is about fictional creations and what "really" goes on is only what the author puts on the pages.
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HVS - 22 Oct 2007 15:51 GMT On 22 Oct 2007, tony cooper wrote
>>> On 21 Oct 2007, wrote >>> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > this is about fictional creations and what "really" goes on is > only what the author puts on the pages. Just goes to show that you and I have no imagination at all, thank god.
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Father Ignatius - 22 Oct 2007 15:54 GMT >> Now, re-read Harry Potter Book #7, 5, 3. Infact, >> Voldemort was a decent guy until some Dumbledore raped [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > that this is about fictional creations and what "really" > goes on is only what the author puts on the pages. Well, yer. That's the prollim innit? Page or screen. Which I just googled
"Harry Potter" fanfic severus gay dumbledore
and got 18,500 hits.
Peter Duncanson - 22 Oct 2007 16:49 GMT >>> On 21 Oct 2007, wrote >>> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >about fictional creations and what "really" goes on is only what the >author puts on the pages. Greetings fellow infidel.
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Vinny Burgoo - 22 Oct 2007 18:17 GMT In alt.usage.english, tony cooper wrote:
>>Now, re-read Harry Potter Book #7, 5, 3. Infact, Voldemort was a >>decent guy until some Dumbledore raped his a.s, turning him into the >>vicious dark lord. Go back and re-read and then tell us what "really" >>went on in "the chamber of secrets? And what about that Narnia, eh, eh? Small children go the back of a closet and "ride on the back" of a "lion". Eh?
>"What 'really' went on"? Here's me under the impression that this is >about fictional creations and what "really" goes on is only what the >author puts on the pages. What's Rowling talking about, then? Some Fumbledore she knows in real life?
And what about all those writers and academics who make a living examining the Marxist, feminist, Freudian and godonlynosewhat subtexts of the Harry Potter books - do you want them all to starve? (There have been 190 such books so far, plus countless academic papers with titles like "Muggles and Mental Health: Rites of Transformation and A Psychoanalytical Perspective on the Inner World of Harry Potter" and "Parallels in Tyranny: Voldemort, The Ministry of Magic, and Jewish Persecution".)
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Archie Valparaiso - 22 Oct 2007 18:53 GMT >In alt.usage.english, tony cooper wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >And what about that Narnia, eh, eh? Small children go the back of a >closet and "ride on the back" of a "lion". Eh? No, no, you've got it all wrong. That Narnia is all about the recreational use of cocaine: the story of the "Snow" Queen and some omnipotent hep cat whose name just happens to be an anagram of "Nasal".
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Vinny Burgoo - 24 Oct 2007 18:52 GMT In alt.usage.english, Archie Valparaiso wrote:
>On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:17:00 +0100, Vinny Burgoo <hlunnh@yahoo.co.uk>
>>And what about that Narnia, eh, eh? Small children go the back of a >>closet and "ride on the back" of a "lion". Eh? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >omnipotent hep cat whose name just happens to be an anagram of >"Nasal". A theory not to be sniffed at. (Though I think you are ignoring the more obvious primacy of other important interpretations, most of which would immediately occur to me if I could remember anything at all about any of the books, or indeed anything else.)
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alishadevochka@gmail.com - 28 Oct 2007 21:59 GMT > In alt.usage.english, Archie Valparaiso wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > immediately occur to me if I could remember anything at all about any of > the books, or indeed anything else.) This is like saying minutemen only hate latinos. Unless stupid old Moses was moving colored ppl in South & Central America I don't see they would want to dig his bones and burn it.
Reference:
Anti-racist vs. racist minutemen "Moses Take your people home" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJzltquPcQE
alishadevochka@gmail.com - 22 Oct 2007 19:43 GMT > In alt.usage.english, tony cooper wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > And what about that Narnia, eh, eh? Small children go the back of a > closet and "ride on the back" of a "lion". Eh? Last week I bought The Complete Chronicles of Narnia, and just finished Book #1 The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe.
This series is very much McGuffey's Readers, which is base on assumption that Christianity is not just one religion among many; it's the only true religion given to us by Yahweh's son Jesus.
Problem existed in modern books. I mean take a look at Sue Grafton's alphabetical series -- Kinsey Millhone is still stuck in 80s, and my god when is she going to killed Henry Pitt? 80 years old penis happy pervert (her landlord).
"Honey want some cookies? Got some white "cream" on it!" ewww
I like Oz's books. Simply because Baum cared enough about his readers (expect the last book which was very dark).
It is ironic to note that Mr. Baum, and Lewis were racist. Yet they were excellent writers. Strangely enough DNA pioneer Dr James Watson just happen to be Anti PC.
I know I get bit excited about silly stuff. What so amazing HP books you may ask? Well, this time I was right on target!
> >"What 'really' went on"? Here's me under the impression that this is > >about fictional creations and what "really" goes on is only what the > >author puts on the pages. > > What's Rowling talking about, then? Some Fumbledore she knows in real > life? I dunno if you have read/heard any of her interview. Some of the character in the book are based on someone she knows. For example evil looking, hooked nose jewish teacher is based on one of her teacher she had in her youth.
In case anyone wondering
http://www.flakmag.com/film/snape.html
"He's not much to look at. Rowling first describes him as "a teacher with greasy black hair, a hooked nose, and sallow skin." Later discoveries do little to improve on that; we learn that he also has yellow teeth and an unfortunate habit of spitting when he's angry."
Archie Valparaiso - 22 Oct 2007 20:30 GMT >evil looking, hooked nose jewish teacher is based on one of her teacher she >had in her youth. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >discoveries do little to improve on that; we learn that he also has >yellow teeth and an unfortunate habit of spitting when he's angry." How different, how very different from the home life of our own dear Alan Rickman (whose portrayal of Snape was lifted straight from Peter Sellers's pastiche of Larry Olivier's version of Shakespeare's Richard III).
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Will - 22 Oct 2007 16:15 GMT On 22 Oct, 14:43, alishadevoc...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On 21 Oct 2007, wrote > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > vicious dark lord. Go back and re-read and then tell us what "really" > went on in "the chamber of secrets? Yawn. Potter Shmotter. Read some decent fiction for a change.
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Hatunen - 22 Oct 2007 17:18 GMT >On 22 Oct, 14:43, alishadevoc...@gmail.com wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >Yawn. Potter Shmotter. Read some decent fiction for a change. By Proust or someone like that.
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Will - 23 Oct 2007 10:34 GMT > >On 22 Oct, 14:43, alishadevoc...@gmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > By Proust or someone like that. That wouldn't be my choice, though Proust has much to recommend him. I just find Rowling's prose unutterably turgid, and the whole exercise an embarrassing rehash of better books written by better writers. It's fine for people under fifteen, but I feel sorry for adults who have waded through this guff and found it satisfying. I'll happily own up to being a literature snob, but I can't argue with her sales figures.
Will.
alishadevochka@gmail.com - 23 Oct 2007 16:50 GMT > > >On 22 Oct, 14:43, alishadevoc...@gmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > That wouldn't be my choice, though Proust has much to recommend him. Few years ago I was working in a restaurant and my supervisor spitted on a dish. At first I wasn't sure what to do, I quietly took the dish and head for the customers who ordered it. Anyway, when I put the dish in customers' table I overheard them talking about Marcel Proust's work. Anyway, when I came back my supervisor patted me on the back said with an snare "Marcel Proust" he is not even french. I went to my local library that evening and borrow two of his books in french A la recherche du temps perdu & English translated Sodom and Gomorrah.
I must say I also hate his writing for following reason;
First it's hard to read it through. 2nd he uses very long sentences. 3rd he is not a very good writer. Finally, I'll always have an image of my boss spitting on a food b/c of this writer.
> I just find Rowling's prose unutterably turgid, and the whole exercise > an embarrassing rehash of better books written by better writers. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Will. I start reading Harry Potter seven years ago. I was not an adult at that time. and I wanted to finished the series. I am sorry to say I liked it (The first 3 books), but just a little. One of my bad habit is wanting to read the entire series like I did with Dark Tower 1-7. I am not going to make the same mistake with Sue Grafton series -- sorry I am stopping at S!
Right now I am reading #2 Prince Caspian of Chronicles of Narnia. My favorite writer by far is George Orwell, Ray Bradbury, Aesop (don't laugh!). Beside Arthur Conan Doyle, Mishima, Abe Kobo, Yoshimoto Banana, and Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn rest are mostly children books writers :-) I really hate Sue Grafton, Steven King, Nathaniel Hawthorne, Ayn Rand, Tolkien, and Philip Roth. Oh you can add Rowling to the list.
How about you giving us author's names? I can read some of their work and let u know what I think of their work? Personally I like to read books like 1984, Animal Farm, and Fahrenheit 451. You know where writer tell us 99% of the ppl are lemming, and they do what they do b/ c media, and government tell them to do so.
Anyway guys, thanks for not flaming me :-)
Lars Eighner - 23 Oct 2007 18:04 GMT In our last episode, <1193154626.777086.299420@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, the lovely and talented alishadevochka@gmail.com broadcast on alt.usage.english:
> Few years ago I was working in a restaurant and my supervisor spitted Days like this I feel really, really old. In what dialect of English is "spitted" now the past tense of "spit"?
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Barbara Bailey - 23 Oct 2007 18:40 GMT > alishadevochka broadcast: > >> Few years ago I was working in a restaurant and my supervisor spitted > > Days like this I feel really, really old. In what dialect of English > is "spitted" now the past tense of "spit"? In any dialect, when you are referring to the process of spearing a piece of meat on a metal rod in order to hang it over a cooking fire, or impaling anything in a similar manner.
If you're talking about expectoration, it's "spat". 8-)
alishadevochka@gmail.com - 23 Oct 2007 19:41 GMT > In our last episode, > <1193154626.777086.299...@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, the lovely and [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Days like this I feel really, really old. In what dialect of English > is "spitted" now the past tense of "spit"? How about Bible? :-) For some reason I assumed "spitted" was the old version of spat like thou for you. I have this in one of my prayer book.
Here is the online version.
"I crucified thee"
By Dr. Robert Crouse
"Then Jesus took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things written by the Prophets concerning the Son of Man shall be accomplished. For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked and spitefully entreated and spitted on: < see spitted>
and they shall scourge him, and put him to death; and the third day he shall rise again. And they understood none of these things, and this saying was hid from them; neither understood they the things which were spoken."
" (Luke 18.31-34)"
I have same stuff in my book. http://www.prayerbook.ca/crouse/sermons/good_friday.htm
jessedorland@hotmail.com - 23 Oct 2007 19:55 GMT > In our last episode, > <1193154626.777086.299...@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, the lovely and [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Countdown: 454 days to go. > What do you do when you're debranded? dirtybarefoot.com is one of the top ten fetish's site they always use "spitted". Porn dialect maybe?
http://dirtybarefoot.com/updates/page5.html
"Damn it! That stupid a.shole with his department of development hasn't done anything in this month! Neither he has in two previous months! Enough! Today he will get a lesson of effective development and work for the money I'm paying to him!" - Anna threw her cigarette away and spitted on the floor of her office balcony, covered with dust and sand. "The worm will eat some sand tonight" - she thought covering her bare toes with the sticky black mud."
Lars Eighner - 23 Oct 2007 22:54 GMT In our last episode, <1193165746.862946.32570@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com>, the lovely and talented jessedorland@hotmail.com broadcast on alt.usage.english:
>> In our last episode, >> <1193154626.777086.299...@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, the lovely and [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> Days like this I feel really, really old. In what dialect of English >> is "spitted" now the past tense of "spit"?
> dirtybarefoot.com is one of the top ten fetish's site they always use > "spitted". Porn dialect maybe?
> http://dirtybarefoot.com/updates/page5.html Okay, that makes one porn site, one prayer book site. That combination must indicate it is the Republican conjugation.
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Pat Durkin - 24 Oct 2007 17:22 GMT > In our last episode, > <1193165746.862946.32570@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > combination must > indicate it is the Republican conjugation. Good one. In another day or so, there will be experts explaining how it really is correct to say "spitted" in the sense above, and blaming the "spat" form on secular materialists".
jerry_friedman@yahoo.com - 24 Oct 2007 06:56 GMT > In our last episode, > <1193154626.777086.299...@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, the lovely and [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Days like this I feel really, really old. In what dialect of English > is "spitted" now the past tense of "spit"? Non-native-speaker English, exactly as you might expect.
-- Jerry Friedman hasn't heard "spitted" (expectorated) from a native speaker--yet.
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> b/c Did s/b teach you that abbreviation? [...]
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Roland Hutchinson - 24 Oct 2007 07:31 GMT > [...] >> b/c > Did s/b teach you that abbreviation? > [...] s/t like that, undoubtedly.
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Paul Wolff - 26 Oct 2007 22:34 GMT >Mike Lyle wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >s/t like that, undoubtedly. Tell them to b/g off then.
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jerry_friedman@yahoo.com - 26 Oct 2007 23:09 GMT > >> alishadevoc...@gmail.com wrote: > >> [...] [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Tell them to b/g off then. Ahem. Many of my native-speaker students use "b/c". Even I have found it convenient on the blackboard.
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Paul Wolff - 26 Oct 2007 23:54 GMT >On Oct 26, 3:34 pm, Paul Wolff <bounc...@two.wolff.co.uk> wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >Ahem. Many of my native-speaker students use "b/c". Even I have >found it convenient on the blackboard. On the b/b, that would be? When not the c/b or w/b, of course.
I'm not very good at this. Illustrious persons may do as they pl/se. English as a foreign language is a foreign language to me. I speaks as I finds.
Speaking of ill/strious p/sons, I was wandering round the British Library this afternoon, looking over Shakespeare's sixty-quid mortgage and so forth, and my attention was called to his signature which apparently was made by his scrivener or some other clerk, probably because our Will had to dash off and pen a sonnet that afternoon and had left his man of business to join up the dots on the paperwork. At any rate, it was said not to match the signature on the purchase deed signed earlier that day. All I could tell was that it was done in fading ink. Don't trust the lawyers.
Topic-wise, history doesn't record whether Shakespeare met Dumbledore.
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jerry_friedman@yahoo.com - 27 Oct 2007 05:32 GMT > "jerry_fried...@yahoo.com" <jerry_fried...@yahoo.com> wrote > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > On the b/b, that would be? When not the c/b or w/b, of course. ...
B/s/ds replaced a blackboard with a whiteboard in a room where I teach, without so much as a b/y/l. Any aberrations in my posts from now on should be attributed to marker solvents.
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John Holmes - 27 Oct 2007 08:28 GMT > B/s/ds replaced a blackboard with a whiteboard in a room where I > teach, without so much as a b/y/l. Any aberrations in my posts from > now on should be attributed to marker solvents. Permanent markers have more agreeable solvents, I think you'll find. And there are the wax crayons with no solvents at all. Those all help to keep the bar stewards occupied.
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Father Ignatius - 27 Oct 2007 09:13 GMT > Permanent markers have more agreeable solvents, I think you'll find. And > there are the wax crayons with no solvents at all. Those all help to keep > the bar stewards occupied. Ahhhh, yes... The aesthetic thrill of being the first person to use a permanent marker on the virgin projection screen ("No, not a whiteboard at all. Really.") acquired at vast expense and maximum fuss.
Father Ignatius - 27 Oct 2007 00:14 GMT >> >> alishadevoc...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> [...] [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Ahem. Many of my native-speaker students use "b/c". Even I have > found it convenient on the blackboard. Well, f/m.
jessedorland@hotmail.com - 27 Oct 2007 01:58 GMT On Oct 26, 7:14 pm, "Father Ignatius" <FatherIgnat...@ANTISPAMananzi.co.za> wrote:
> <jerry_fried...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Well, f/m. Boy, you must be on drought. I suggest you buy a dildo glue it on a chair, and sit down on it.
Mike Lyle - 27 Oct 2007 14:07 GMT > On Oct 26, 7:14 pm, "Father Ignatius" > <FatherIgnat...@ANTISPAMananzi.co.za> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Boy, you must be on drought. I suggest you buy a dildo glue it on a > chair, and sit down on it. NO, Nat! We can't keep him just because he followed you home.
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Evan Kirshenbaum - 23 Oct 2007 23:56 GMT > Few years ago I was working in a restaurant and my supervisor spitted > on a dish. Ouch.
> At first I wasn't sure what to do, I would have removed my supervisor from the dish and called for an ambulance. It would probably have been a mistake to try to remove the skewer before they got there.
> I quietly took the dish and head for the customers who ordered it. They took one look at your supervisor, lying bloody on the dish, screamed an ran from the restaurant.
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alishadevochka@gmail.com - 31 Oct 2007 02:08 GMT > alishadevoc...@gmail.com writes: > > Few years ago I was working in a restaurant and my supervisor spitted [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > They took one look at your supervisor, lying bloody on the dish, > screamed an ran from the restaurant. *ehehe* I just realized what you said. Or more importantly what I didn't intend to say. I know my english is lot to be desire. I guess sometime it good to laugh at our own foolishness.
This is what I mean more or less.
"Few years ago I was working in a restaurant. One day my supervisor spat on a dish. Since I was the one who supposed to take the dish to customers, I wasn't sure what to do. Pretending not to see, I apprehensively took the dish and headed for our local clientele. When I put the dish on their table I overheard them talking about Marcel Proust's work. After murmur of thanks and smiles I came back to the kitchen for another order. There my supervisor patted me on the back and with an snare he said "Marcel Proust; he is not even french".
Anyway, that evening I went to my local library and borrowed two of his books; one in french A la recherche du temps perdu, second in English translated Sodom and Gomorrah."
It's a true story, considering my racial believes... Sigh, you know it's like the so-called "White flight" which is the direct consequence of the influx of non-Whites into the cities. Though my fellow European will not admit it just as they won't admit their racial believes.
Their action speaks louder than words.
Thanks for the laugh though :-)
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R H Draney - 31 Oct 2007 02:27 GMT alishadevochka@gmail.com filted:
>*ehehe* I just realized what you said. Or more importantly what I >didn't intend to say. I know my english is lot to be desire. I guess >sometime it good to laugh at our own foolishness. Then stand back....
>There my supervisor patted me on the back >and with an snare he said "Marcel Proust; he is not even french". I suppose it's a mildly amusing remark in context, but hardly one that calls for a rim shot....r
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Mike Barnes - 22 Oct 2007 20:08 GMT In alt.usage.english, wrote:
>Now, re-read Harry Potter Book #7, 5, 3. Infact, Voldemort was a >decent guy until some Dumbledore raped his a.s, turning him into the >vicious dark lord. Go back and re-read and then tell us what "really" >went on in "the chamber of secrets? "really?"
Those aren't real people or events, you know.
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the Omrud - 27 Oct 2007 15:41 GMT alishadevochka@gmail.com had it ...
> Guys remember I was first one who posted question about sexual > relationship between Harry Potter & Dumbledore (The head master of > magical school). Also, I also asked if Dumbledore's brother was having > sex with sheeps... Never mind about Dumbledore - I've just read in the Radio Times that Mr Sulu is gay.
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R H Draney - 27 Oct 2007 18:30 GMT the Omrud filted:
>Never mind about Dumbledore - I've just read in the Radio Times that >Mr Sulu is gay. The Radio Times is confused...George Takei is gay, and this has been public knowledge for over a year now...Hikaru Sulu, presumably, is (or was or will be) heterosexual; at least he fathered a daughter who appeared in "Star Trek: Generations"....
For another distinction between actor and character, see:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.folklore.urban/msg/6a8d0dfee558da9a?dmode=source
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the Omrud - 27 Oct 2007 18:33 GMT dadoctah@spamcop.net had it ...
> the Omrud filted: > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > heterosexual; at least he fathered a daughter who appeared in "Star Trek: > Generations".... Ah, sorry, I didn't actually think it was the macho sword-wielding character from NCC 1701 - it was perfectly clear that they were interviewing George Takei (because of his appearance in Heroes). But if it's been public news, it hadn't reached Warrington.
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> Ah, sorry, I didn't actually think it was the macho sword-wielding > character from NCC 1701 - it was perfectly clear that they were > interviewing George Takei (because of his appearance in Heroes). But > if it's been public news, it hadn't reached Warrington. OTmost. Re R3's /Thais/. Who was that just now with the best fake laugh I've ever heard in an opera? Ah, Renee Fleming. I hope you're listening. They're on the intermezzo bit at present.
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Mike Lyle - 27 Oct 2007 20:03 GMT [...]
> OTmost. Re R3's /Thais/. Who was that just now with the best fake > laugh I've ever heard in an opera? Ah, Renee Fleming. I hope you're > listening. They're on the intermezzo bit at present. You know warrimean: The Meditation. Intermezzo is, par excellence, Cav.
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the Omrud - 27 Oct 2007 22:01 GMT mike_lyle_uk@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk had it ...
> [...] > > Ah, sorry, I didn't actually think it was the macho sword-wielding [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I've ever heard in an opera? Ah, Renee Fleming. I hope you're listening. > They're on the intermezzo bit at present. Nope, sorry, was catching up with TV from TiVo after a week in France. Two episodes of Spooks where bizarrely, Connie from "Tinker Tailor ..." seems to have jumped straight out of le Carre into the 21st Century.
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jessedorland@hotmail.com - 28 Oct 2007 03:53 GMT > alishadevoc...@gmail.com had it ... > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Never mind about Dumbledore - I've just read in the Radio Times that > Mr Sulu is gay. What I am about to say most of your are not going to believe me. I have never watch any of the Star Trek episode. In fact I have never watch a TV or even a Movies. My parents raised me, my brothers, and a sister with no TV. Parents like mine are member of turnoff tv society. Even today I don't have a TV. My girl friend is pretty cool about that.
Here is why;
American kids, dumber than dirt Warning: The next generation might just be the biggest pile of idiots in U.S. history
By Mark Morford, SF Gate Columnist
Wednesday, October 24, 2007
I have this ongoing discussion with a longtime reader who also just so happens to be a longtime Oakland high school teacher, a wonderful guy who's seen generations of teens come and generations go and who has a delightful poetic sensibility and quirky outlook on his life and his family and his beloved teaching career.
And he often writes to me in response to something I might've written about the youth of today, anything where I comment on the various nefarious factors shaping their minds and their perspectives and whether or not, say, EMFs and junk food and cell phones are melting their brains and what can be done and just how bad it might all be.
His response: It is not bad at all. It's absolutely horrifying.
My friend often summarizes for me what he sees, firsthand, every day and every month, year in and year out, in his classroom. He speaks not merely of the sad decline in overall intellectual acumen among students over the years, not merely of the astonishing spread of lazy slackerhood, or the fact that cell phones and iPods and excess TV exposure are, absolutely and without reservation, short-circuiting the minds of the upcoming generations. Of this, he says, there is zero doubt.
Nor does he speak merely of the notion that kids these days are overprotected and wussified and don't spend enough time outdoors and don't get any real exercise and therefore can't, say, identify basic plants, or handle a tool, or build, well, anything at all. Again, these things are a given. Widely reported, tragically ignored, nothing new.
No, my friend takes it all a full step - or rather, leap - further. It is not merely a sad slide. It is not just a general dumbing down. It is far uglier than that.
We are, as far as urban public education is concerned, essentially at rock bottom. We are now at a point where we are essentially churning out ignorant teens who are becoming ignorant adults and society as a whole will pay dearly, very soon, and if you think the hordes of easily terrified, mindless fundamentalist evangelical Christian lemmings have been bad for the soul of this country, just wait.
It's gotten so bad that, as my friend nears retirement, he says he is very seriously considering moving out of the country so as to escape what he sees will be the surefire collapse of functioning American society in the next handful of years due to the absolutely irrefutable destruction, the shocking - and nearly hopeless - dumb-ification of the American brain. It is just that bad.
Now, you may think he's merely a curmudgeon, a tired old teacher who stopped caring long ago. Not true. Teaching is his life. He says he loves his students, loves education and learning and watching young minds awaken. Problem is, he is seeing much less of it. It's a bit like the melting of the polar ice caps. Sure, there's been alarmist data about it for years, but until you see it for yourself, the deep visceral dread doesn't really hit home.
He cites studies, reports, hard data, from the appalling effects of television on child brain development (i.e.; any TV exposure before 6 years old and your kid's basic cognitive wiring and spatial perceptions are pretty much scrambled for life), to the fact that, because of all the insidious mandatory testing teachers are now forced to incorporate into the curriculum, of the 182 school days in a year, there are 110 when such testing is going on somewhere at Oakland High. As one of his colleagues put it, "It's like weighing a calf twice a day, but never feeding it."
But most of all, he simply observes his students, year to year, noting all the obvious evidence of teens' decreasing abilities when confronted with even the most basic intellectual tasks, from understanding simple history to working through moderately complex ideas to even (in a couple recent examples that particularly distressed him) being able to define the words "agriculture," or even "democracy." Not a single student could do it.
It gets worse. My friend cites the fact that, of the 6,000 high school students he estimates he's taught over the span of his career, only a small fraction now make it to his grade with a functioning understanding of written English. They do not know how to form a sentence. They cannot write an intelligible paragraph. Recently, after giving an assignment that required drawing lines, he realized that not a single student actually knew how to use a ruler.
It is, in short, nothing less than a tidal wave of dumb, with once- passionate, increasingly exasperated teachers like my friend nearly powerless to stop it. The worst part: It's not the kids' fault. They're merely the victims of a horribly failed educational system.
Then our discussion often turns to the meat of it, the bigger picture, the ugly and unavoidable truism about the lack of need among the government and the power elite in this nation to create a truly effective educational system, one that actually generates intelligent, thoughtful, articulate citizens.
Hell, why should they? After all, the dumber the populace, the easier it is to rule and control and launch unwinnable wars and pass laws telling them that sex is bad and TV is good and God knows all, so just pipe down and eat your Taco Bell Double-Supremo Burrito and be glad we don't arrest you for posting dirty pictures on your cute little blog.
This is about when I try to offer counterevidence, a bit of optimism. For one thing, I've argued generational relativity in this space before, suggesting maybe kids are no scarier or dumber or more dangerous than they've ever been, and that maybe some of the problem is merely the same old awkward generation gap, with every current generation absolutely convinced the subsequent one is terrifically stupid and malicious and will be the end of society as a whole. Just the way it always seems.
I also point out how, despite all the evidence of total public- education meltdown, I keep being surprised, keep hearing from/about teens and youth movements and actions that impress the hell out of me. Damn kids made the Internet what it is today, fer chrissakes. Revolutionized media. Broke all the rules. Still are.
Hell, some of the best designers, writers, artists, poets, chefs, and so on that I meet are in their early to mid-20s. And the nation's top universities are still managing, despite a factory-churning mentality, to crank out young minds of astonishing ability and acumen. How did these kids do it? How did they escape the horrible public school system? How did they avoid the great dumbing down of America? Did they never see a TV show until they hit puberty? Were they all born and raised elsewhere, in India and Asia and Russia? Did they all go to Waldorf or Montessori and eat whole-grain breads and play with firecrackers and take long walks in wild nature? Are these kids flukes? Exceptions? Just lucky?
My friend would say, well, yes, that's precisely what most of them are. Lucky, wealthy, foreign-born, private-schooled ... and increasingly rare. Most affluent parents in America - and many more who aren't - now put their kids in private schools from day one, and the smart ones give their kids no TV and minimal junk food and no video games. (Of course, this in no way guarantees a smart, attuned kid, but compared to the odds of success in the public school system, it sure seems to help). This covers about, what, 3 percent of the populace?
As for the rest, well, the dystopian evidence seems overwhelming indeed, to the point where it might be no stretch at all to say the biggest threat facing America is perhaps not global warming, not perpetual warmongering, not garbage food or low-level radiation or way too much Lindsay Lohan, but a populace far too ignorant to know how to properly manage any of it, much less change it all for the better.
What, too fatalistic? Don't worry. Soon enough, no one will know what the word even means.
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the Omrud - 28 Oct 2007 10:27 GMT jessedorland@hotmail.com had it ...
> > alishadevoc...@gmail.com had it ... > > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Even today I don't have a TV. My girl friend is pretty cool about > that. I believe you. Our TV broke when I was about 13 and my parents didn't replace it for about five years. I didn't mind, and about 10% of the children at my school (this was the early 70s in a small English town) also didn't have TVs. Furthermore, one of the regular posters here, despite being "normal" in TV ownership, has never watched Star Trek. I have never watched "Coronation Street" (gasps from the UK readers). But I would not be the same person without Star Trek, Dr Who and Tomorrow's World - they contributed a little to make me what I am (along with the thousands of books which I devoured as a teenager).
But I don't agree that it's TV which causes the ills you ascribe to it - the blame might lie with parents' lack of supervision and control, or some people may just have addictive personalities.
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tony cooper - 28 Oct 2007 14:00 GMT >jessedorland@hotmail.com had it ... > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >posters here, despite being "normal" in TV ownership, has never >watched Star Trek. I don't know if the fact that I've never watched "Star Trek" is the basis of your statement or it can now be claimed that there are two regulars. There was a television in our house at the time the show aired.
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the Omrud - 28 Oct 2007 14:36 GMT tony_cooper213@earthlink.net had it ...
> >I believe you. Our TV broke when I was about 13 and my parents > >didn't replace it for about five years. I didn't mind, and about 10% [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > regulars. There was a television in our house at the time the show > aired. You were indeed the thrust of my comment, so we're still counting on the fingers of one finger.
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jessedorland@hotmail.com - 28 Oct 2007 19:37 GMT > tony_cooper...@earthlink.net had it ... > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > -- > David
:-) I was just talking to some google tech guy, about my NG's posts. "I doesn't know what "happening" to your posts Fcrom 1999 - 2006 or why they "is" deleted."
Idiots have deleted my previous posts, including deja post :( There were some really good stuff there like my school essay, resumes, electronic projects etc... I have been using the same hotmail email account since 1995 therefore my posts should be in one profile.
See my profile; 1999 - 2006 posts are gone!
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Mike Lyle - 28 Oct 2007 14:07 GMT [...]
> What I am about to say most of your are not going to believe me. I > have never watch any of the Star Trek episode. In fact I have never > watch a TV or even a Movies. My parents raised me, my brothers, and a > sister with no TV. Parents like mine are member of turnoff tv society. > Even today I don't have a TV. My girl friend is pretty cool about > that. You should have spent some of the time thus released on learning English.
> Here is why; > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > By Mark Morford, SF Gate Columnist [...columnist's standard writer's-block-breaker snipped...]
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jessedorland@hotmail.com - 28 Oct 2007 19:09 GMT On Oct 28, 9:07 am, "Mike Lyle" <mike_lyle...@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> jessedorl...@hotmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > You should have spent some of the time thus released on learning > English. When I was young my parents moved to Japan, this was in 80s. So, I mostly speak Japanese, and Korean. In fact, even when I am talking to my mom or dad I usually drop into Japanese. My English is very good compare to what most "native speakers", at least here in Australia.
> > Here is why; > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com
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