> I thought it was smoking that was supposed to stunt your growth.
> (Note also that the smokers look a lot happier than the non-smoking
> midgets in the ceiling.)
In alt.usage.english, CDB wrote:
>> Ceiling-midgets! Next season's must-have item!
>
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>The VR midgets have not yet passed the gates. The RL smokers still
>believe they're secure from pain.
Is smoking a sin now, then? (Sixth Circle fodder, perhaps?)
ObAUE: In what way is a hacking cough hacking? It doesn't feel like
hacking from the inside. It feels more like kicking. And it doesn't
really sound much like hacking. When gorillas make the same sounds they
are said to be grunting - and lo! gorilla grunting is a Good Thing. So
why must smokers be said to hack in the morning? Why oh why oh why
aren't their morning convulsions celebrated as manly/gorillalily grunts?

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Mike Lyle - 27 Oct 2007 20:52 GMT
[...]
> Is smoking a sin now, then? (Sixth Circle fodder, perhaps?)
I've noticed that in our unblushingly fornicatious and money-grubbing
age the label "sin" is now so debased that it's attached to the eating
of cream or chocolate, so why not also to gaspers? But I suppose the
Apostle Paul would have approved: if the body is the temple of the
spirit, then it should logically be tret with greater reverence than is
implied by éclairs. God, I wonder if that blighter would have loved "No
smoking" signs, or if he'd have been a packet-a-day parson?
> ObAUE: In what way is a hacking cough hacking? It doesn't feel like
> hacking from the inside. It feels more like kicking. And it doesn't
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> oh why aren't their morning convulsions celebrated as
> manly/gorillalily grunts?
But hacking /is/ kicking, slang-wise. (And do stay off the weed, won't
you? I have only a very slight cough after all those years, but it will
never quite go away. I theorize that it must be connected with my recent
pericarditis, though the doctors won't say it is.)

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John Holmes - 28 Oct 2007 10:36 GMT
> I've noticed that in our unblushingly fornicatious and money-grubbing
> age the label "sin" is now so debased that it's attached to the eating
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> is implied by éclairs. God, I wonder if that blighter would have
> loved "No smoking" signs, or if he'd have been a packet-a-day parson?
He reformed and gave up the tars'R'us tag.

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Mike Lyle - 28 Oct 2007 16:05 GMT
>> I've noticed that in our unblushingly fornicatious and money-grubbing
>> age the label "sin" is now so debased that it's attached to the
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> He reformed and gave up the tars'R'us tag.
But he must have been saully tempted sometimes.

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Vinny Burgoo - 28 Oct 2007 20:57 GMT
In alt.usage.english, Mike Lyle wrote:
>>> I've noticed that in our unblushingly fornicatious and money-grubbing
>>> age the label "sin" is now so debased that it's attached to the
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>
>But he must have been saully tempted sometimes.
Peter was the big smoker - wacky baccie, of course.

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Mike Lyle - 28 Oct 2007 23:41 GMT
> In alt.usage.english, Mike Lyle wrote:
>
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>
> Peter was the big smoker - wacky baccie, of course.
I wonder why the ancients never seem to have thought of smoking. Certain
oracles inhaled fumes, but that isn't the same. They did use cannabis,
but the bits which have been found had been chewed. (The whacky quids
were found in oared ships, apparently: my own limited dope experience
suggests I'd have been utterly useless as motive power after turning on,
but they were made of sterner stuff in them days.)

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Vinny Burgoo - 30 Oct 2007 19:30 GMT
In alt.usage.english, Mike Lyle wrote:
>I wonder why the ancients never seem to have thought of smoking. Certain
>oracles inhaled fumes, but that isn't the same. They did use cannabis,
>but the bits which have been found had been chewed. (The whacky quids
>were found in oared ships, apparently: my own limited dope experience
>suggests I'd have been utterly useless as motive power after turning on,
>but they were made of sterner stuff in them days.)
And I wonder how the ancients discovered how to smelt copper. How
exactly was that discovery made? "It's very cold in this here extremely
windy outdoor spot and we've run out of wood so let's throw that green
rock on the spluttering fire." Not likely.
So how?

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Leslie Danks - 30 Oct 2007 19:44 GMT
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> And I wonder how the ancients discovered how to smelt copper. How
> exactly was that discovery made? "It's very cold in this here extremely
> windy outdoor spot and we've run out of wood so let's throw that green
> rock on the spluttering fire." Not likely.
>
> So how?
<http://neon.mems.cmu.edu/cramb/Processing/history.html>
[quote]
Malachite, a green friable stone, was the source of copper in the early
smelters. Originally it was thought that the smelting of copper was by
chance dropping of malachite into campfires. However, campfire temperatures
are normally in the region of 600-650 C, whereas, 700-800 C is necessary
for reduction. It is more probable that early copper smelting was
discovered by ancient potters whose clay firing furnaces could reach
temperatures of 1100-1200 C. If Malachite was added to these furnaces
copper nodules would easily be found. Although the first smelted copper was
found in the Nile valley, it is thought that this copper was brought to
Egypt by the Gerzeans and copper smelting was produced first in Western
Asia between 4000 and 4300 BC.
[end quote]
I can't confirm it because I wasn't there, but since copper also occurs as
the native metal, they would probably have recognised it when they found
it.

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Vinny Burgoo - 30 Oct 2007 20:48 GMT
In alt.usage.english, Leslie Danks wrote:
>> And I wonder how the ancients discovered how to smelt copper. How
>> exactly was that discovery made? "It's very cold in this here extremely
>> windy outdoor spot and we've run out of wood so let's throw that green
>> rock on the spluttering fire." Not likely.
>>
>> So how?
[...]
>[quote]
[...]
>It is more probable that early copper smelting was discovered by
>ancient potters whose clay firing furnaces could reach temperatures of
>1100-1200 C.
[...]
>[end quote]
>
>I can't confirm it because I wasn't there, but since copper also occurs as
>the native metal, they would probably have recognised it when they found
>it.
A convincingly copper-bottomed (cupranal?) response. Thank you!

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Father Ignatius - 28 Oct 2007 06:51 GMT
Vinny Burgoo <hlunnh@yahoo.co.uk> het geskryf:
> ObAUE: In what way is a hacking cough hacking? It doesn't
> feel like hacking from the inside. It feels more like
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> why oh why aren't their morning convulsions celebrated as
> manly/gorillalily grunts?
I understand "hacking", in the context of coughs, to
describe that quality that is suggestive of the accompanying
production of phlegm and/or sputum. This is distinct from
manly grunting (as encountered on the rugby field, fex), not
only auditorily but in its utility in attracting a mate.
Pat Durkin - 28 Oct 2007 23:46 GMT
> Vinny Burgoo <hlunnh@yahoo.co.uk> het geskryf:
>
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> on the rugby field, fex), not only auditorily but in its utility in
> attracting a mate.
And I understand just the opposite. A "hacking cough" is an
unproductive one. I used to be bothered occasionally with sinus
drainage (post-nasal drip) and a dry tickling at the back of my throat.
(A nice drag on a cigarette usually cured that condition, at least
temporarily.)
My sister, for the past 2 years has complained that a blood pressure
medicine I was taking, lisinopril, should be replaced, since a side
effect was a dry, hacking cough. I didn't change it for a while (we
only see each other occasionally, so I figured, "why bother?) The cough
got more frequent, when the dose doubled, and that happened just at the
season of the horrific* giant ragweed season, so I convinced my doctor
to change my BP medication altogether. Now I pay quite a big co-pay,
because this prescription, Cozaar, is a brand name one. Don't have the
hack any longer.
*Cross thread alert--and giant ragweed _is_ an horrific, withal a
magnificently architectural plant.
CDB - 28 Oct 2007 18:19 GMT
[hack, hack, hackin']
> ObAUE: In what way is a hacking cough hacking? It doesn't feel like
> hacking from the inside. It feels more like kicking. And it doesn't
> really sound much like hacking.
But, experts say, it is onomatopeia. Closer to hawkin' and spittin'
than hackin' and hewin'. Consider the lovely "hocking a loogie".
> When gorillas make the same sounds
> they are said to be grunting - and lo! gorilla grunting is a Good
> Thing. So why must smokers be said to hack in the morning? Why oh
> why oh why aren't their morning convulsions celebrated as
> manly/gorillalily grunts?
Freedom and independence. The gorilla grunts at his own sweet will,
while the helpless smoker is whipped on by his monkey. By their croup
ye shall know them.
Vinny Burgoo - 28 Oct 2007 20:59 GMT
In alt.usage.english, CDB wrote:
>> When gorillas make the same sounds
>> they are said to be grunting - and lo! gorilla grunting is a Good
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>while the helpless smoker is whipped on by his monkey. By their croup
>ye shall know them.
As ye smoke, so shall ye choke.

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