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Discussion Groups / English Usage / January 2004Nose sh.t?
What is the proper way to refer to the waste inside your nose? Nose sh.t? > What is the proper way to refer to the waste inside your nose? Nose sh.t? You may think it's nose sh.t, but it's not. > You may think it's nose sh.t, but it's not. When you're dancing with your honey And your nose gets kind of runny, You may think that it's funny But it's not.  SignatureDena Jo Delete "delete.this.for.email" for email. >> What is the proper way to refer to the waste inside your nose? Nose >> sh.t? > > You may think it's nose sh.t, but it's not. No sh.t, Sherlock? -- John Dean Oxford De-frag to reply >> What is the proper way to refer to the waste inside your nose? Nose sh.t? > >You may think it's nose sh.t, but it's not. The Romans used to call Nottingham 'Snottingham', long before Robin Hood came with Maid Marion in Sherwood Forest. Not a lot of people know that. Signaturewrmst rgrds Robin Bignall Quiet part of Hertfordshire England > >> What is the proper way to refer to the waste inside your nose? Nose sh.t? > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Not a lot of people know that. he may have come with her, but she could only come with his associates. That's why they called them the Merry Men. Not a lot of people know that. >> >> What is the proper way to refer to the waste inside your nose? Nose sh.t? >> > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Not a lot of people know that. Including me. This has been a shit-why-didn't-I-think-of-that (SWDITOT) moment. I have lots of those here in AUE. Signaturewrmst rgrds Robin Bignall Quiet part of Hertfordshire England >>>What is the proper way to refer to the waste inside your nose? Nose sh.t? >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Not a lot of people know that. Not many Romans, I wouldn't think, Snottingham being the Saxson name. SignatureFrances Kemmish Production Manager East Coast Youth Ballet www.byramartscenter.com >>>>What is the proper way to refer to the waste inside your nose? Nose sh.t? >>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Not many Romans, I wouldn't think, Snottingham being the Saxson name. Was he the son of Sax? SignatureSimon R. Hughes >>>>What is the proper way to refer to the waste inside your nose? Nose sh.t? >>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Not many Romans, I wouldn't think, Snottingham being the Saxson name. Nottingham was a Roman garrison town, not one of the most important, but a stopping place near to the Fosse way, probably their most important north/south route. I have never heard of any Latin name for Nottingham. Some big tribe living in a very large country a few thousand miles to my west has often adopted native names for places which they invaded. Let us give the last word to Humph. From ISIHAC. "It's well documented in official records that the City's original name was 'Snottingham', or 'Home of Snots', but when the Normans came, they couldn't pronounce the letter 'S', so decreed the town be called 'Nottingham' or the 'Home of Notts'. It's easy to understand why this change was resisted so fiercely by the people of Scunthorpe." Signaturewrmst rgrds Robin Bignall Quiet part of Hertfordshire England > >Not many Romans, I wouldn't think, Snottingham being the Saxson name. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Some big tribe living in a very large country a few thousand miles to my > west has often adopted native names for places which they invaded. Hence Dildo, Newfoundland. Unless of course you were referring to another very large country a few thousand miles to your west. >> >Not many Romans, I wouldn't think, Snottingham being the Saxson name. >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >Hence Dildo, Newfoundland. Unless of course you were referring to >another very large country a few thousand miles to your west. I was thinking of somewhere a little south of Canada. Chappaquiddick ring any bells? Signaturewrmst rgrds Robin Bignall Quiet part of Hertfordshire England > >> >Not many Romans, I wouldn't think, Snottingham being the Saxson name. > >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > I was thinking of somewhere a little south of Canada. Chappaquiddick ring > any bells? It used to, but that's all water under the bridge now. "Dr Robin Bignall" <docrobin@ntlworld.com> wrote... > Nottingham was a Roman garrison town, not one of the most important, > but a stopping place near to the Fosse way, probably their most > important north/south route. I have never heard of any Latin name for > Nottingham. Some big tribe living in a very large country a few > thousand miles to my west has often adopted native names for places > which they invaded. Nottingham didn't exist until Snotta turned up in the 6thC, and therefore cannot have been a Roman anything, Robin; this is why it never had a Roman name! It certainly lies close to the Fosse Way, but that wasn't the Romans' most important north/south route. It was originally constructed as a military road marking the boundary of their early occupation. It runs south-west / north-east; this might have remained useful for local travel, but once its significance as a boundary was removed it can never have been of strategic importance. Matti >"Dr Robin Bignall" <docrobin@ntlworld.com> wrote... >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >therefore cannot have been a Roman anything, Robin; this is why it >never had a Roman name! Is this the same Snotta that lived in digs over in Bayswater? The Snotta in E Flat? "Tony Cooper" <tony_cooper213@mungedyahoo.com> wrote... > >Nottingham didn't exist until Snotta turned up in the 6thC [...] > > Is this the same Snotta that lived in digs over in Bayswater? The > Snotta in E Flat? Until the chap upstairs objected to his piano-playing. A sharp major, by all accounts. Matti - Quasi una Fantasia >"Tony Cooper" <tony_cooper213@mungedyahoo.com> wrote... >> > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >A sharp major, by all accounts. Right. The chap with the landlord named Brutus, to whom he remarked "Etude, Brutus?" >> "Dr Robin Bignall" <docrobin@ntlworld.com> wrote... >>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Is this the same Snotta that lived in digs over in Bayswater? The > Snotta in E Flat? Until he decamped at midnight and became known to the Landlord as the Moonlight Snotta. -- John Dean Oxford De-frag to reply > >> "Dr Robin Bignall" <docrobin@ntlworld.com> wrote... > >>> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Until he decamped at midnight and became known to the Landlord as the > Moonlight Snotta. I heard he went to Australia and started manufacturing cutlery. To this day, you still hear about that Snotta knife. -- rzed [...] > >> Nottingham didn't exist until Snotta turned up in the 6thC, and > >> therefore cannot have been a Roman anything, Robin; this is why it [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Until he decamped at midnight and became known to the Landlord as the > Moonlight Snotta. That's Pathetique! Mike. >>"Dr Robin Bignall" <docrobin@ntlworld.com> wrote... >>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Is this the same Snotta that lived in digs over in Bayswater? The > Snotta in E Flat? Ah, that Snotta joke! SignatureOpus the Penguin (that's my real email addy) You snipped my sig! >"Dr Robin Bignall" <docrobin@ntlworld.com> wrote... >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >therefore cannot have been a Roman anything, Robin; this is why it >never had a Roman name! What is now known as Nottingham was a settlement of some kind dating back to the stone age, as far as I can remember from a school trip to a local museum over 50 years ago. They had Roman bits and pieces there, too. The reason given, I recall, is that it sat on the only fordable bit of the River Trent for many miles. >It certainly lies close to the Fosse Way, but that wasn't the Romans' >most important north/south route. It was originally constructed as a >military road marking the boundary of their early occupation. It runs >south-west / north-east; this might have remained useful for local >travel, but once its significance as a boundary was removed it can never >have been of strategic importance. Some of the straight parts of the A1 road between London and the Midlands follow the Fosse Way on the route from London right up to beyond Yorkshire, running slightly east of north. Those straight parts (no curves) follow the original Roman route and are typical of Roman roads - no corners for an enemy to hide behind in ambush. Before the motorway M1 was built in the 1950s, it was the only main route up the eastern side of England. For example, the A1 runs through Yorkshire and passes just a mile or two west of York. England was invaded in 43 AD by 4 Roman Legions. (This was in the reign of Claudius.) In 71 AD the Roman 9th Legion arrived in what is now York but was then called Eboracum. The locals, who were nomadic tribes called brigantines, didn't stand a chance. York lies between two rivers the river Foss and the River Ouse. The Romans built their fortress on the north side of the river Ouse. Lying beneath what is now York Minster. The fortress housed about 6000 men. At the southwest side of the river Ouse, eventually a civilian town grew up. York then became the capital of northern England. Since the Romans were always having trouble with the Scottish (which is why they eventually built 73 miles of Hadrian's Wall across the narrow neck of England in Northumberland, in AD 112), I find it difficult to believe that the Fosse Way was of no strategic importance. It must have been just about the only route to keep the garrisons in York and Northumberland supplied from the south. Signaturewrmst rgrds Robin Bignall Quiet part of Hertfordshire England > Some of the straight parts of the A1 road between London and the Midlands > follow the Fosse Way on the route from London right up to beyond Yorkshire, > running slightly east of north. Named for famous straight Chicagoan choreographer Bob Fosse? (NTTAWWT.) "Dr Robin Bignall" <docrobin@ntlworld.com> wrote... > >"Dr Robin Bignall" <docrobin@ntlworld.com> wrote... > >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > there, too. The reason given, I recall, is that it sat on the only > fordable bit of the River Trent for many miles. It's possible to find Roman bits & pieces just about anywhere, but you can't infer a settlement from that. My Ordnance Survey map of Roman Britain has absolutely nothing at or near the present Nottingham. > >It certainly lies close to the Fosse Way, but that wasn't the Romans' > >most important north/south route. It was originally constructed as [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > importance. It must have been just about the only route to keep the > garrisons in York and Northumberland supplied from the south. Partly. Once the initial conquests were complete, the main route north from the south east more or less followed the line of what became the A1, the Great North Road. Before this was established, the military route from London (LONDINIUM) ran up the present A5, Watling Street, as far as its junction with the Fosse Way at High Cross (VENONIS), then followed the Fosse Way over to Lincoln (LINDUM) before renewing a more northerly course towards Catterick (CATARACTONIUM), the Pictish folk and other Hic Dracones outlandishments. So yes, a minor portion of the Fosse Way remained important strategically for a while. Matti > "Dr Robin Bignall" <docrobin@ntlworld.com> wrote... >>> "Dr Robin Bignall" <docrobin@ntlworld.com> wrote... [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > can't infer a settlement from that. My Ordnance Survey map of Roman > Britain has absolutely nothing at or near the present Nottingham. The Romans had Ordnance Survey? Holy Moly! No *wonder* they could make their roads so straight. -- John Dean Oxford De-frag to reply john-dean@frag.lineone.net spake thus: > > "Dr Robin Bignall" <docrobin@ntlworld.com> wrote... > >>> "Dr Robin Bignall" <docrobin@ntlworld.com> wrote... [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > The Romans had Ordnance Survey? Holy Moly! No *wonder* they could make their > roads so straight. If they didn't have Ordnance Survey, how would they have known where to put their road so that it would cover the same route as the A1? SignatureDavid ===== > john-dean@frag.lineone.net spake thus: > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > If they didn't have Ordnance Survey, how would they have known where > to put their road so that it would cover the same route as the A1? Excellent point. It must also have enabled them to check that Watling St wasn't already in use as a name for a thoroughfare. -- John Dean Oxford De-frag to reply "Dr Robin Bignall" <docrobin@ntlworld.com> wrote... > Some of the straight parts of the A1 road between London and the > Midlands follow the Fosse Way on the route from London right up to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > the motorway M1 was built in the 1950s, it was the only main route > up the eastern side of England. This has been bothering me for a day or two, and I think it holds the clue to our disagreement about the Fosse Way. I believe you're describing a different Roman road, Ermine Street. This is the one which the A1 dodges in and out of, and crosses the Fosse Way at LINDUM (Lincoln). (The present A1 crosses the Fosse a few miles west, at Newark.) Ermine Street was certainly the more strategically important North-South route for the latter part of the Roman occupation. Matti > (The present A1 crosses the Fosse a few miles west, at Newark.) Now THAT ghetto!!! LOLOLOLOL!!!!!! "R F" <rfontana@alumni.wesleyan.edu> wrote... > > (The present A1 crosses the Fosse a few miles west, at Newark.) > > Now THAT ghetto!!! LOLOLOLOL!!!!!! EXACTLY!!!!! How GAY is THAT??????? Matti > "R F" wrote... >>> (The present A1 crosses the Fosse a few miles west, at Newark.) >> >> Now THAT ghetto!!! LOLOLOLOL!!!!!! > > EXACTLY!!!!! How GAY is THAT??????? WORD! SignatureSkitt (in Hayward, California) www.geocities.com/opus731/ >"Dr Robin Bignall" <docrobin@ntlworld.com> wrote... >> > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >Newark.) Ermine Street was certainly the more strategically important >North-South route for the latter part of the Roman occupation. I won't disagree, Matti, because I'm trying to remember back to university days. I used to take the A1 rather than the M1 when I went to see my parents in Nottingham, because the old bangers I used to be able to afford in those days were unreliable, and one cannot stop to fix a car on motorways. Newark is a town that I used to know well, because a couple of friends at A-Level college came from there. I seem to have a memory that somewhere on the A1 there's a sign or signs pointing out that at that point it was part of, or followed, the Fosse Way. But it's been 40 years or more since I drove up the A1 further north than Stamford, which was a Roman town. Signaturewrmst rgrds Robin Bignall Quiet part of Hertfordshire England > Newark is a town that I used to know well, because a couple of > friends at A-Level college came from there. I seem to have a memory that > somewhere on the A1 there's a sign or signs pointing out that at that point > it was part of, or followed, the Fosse Way. But it's been 40 years or more > since I drove up the A1 further north than Stamford, which was a Roman > town. Stamford! Now THAT ghetto as vell! LOL! I think they were Neapolitans, not Romans, though. >> Newark is a town that I used to know well, because a couple of >> friends at A-Level college came from there. I seem to have a memory that [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Stamford! Now THAT ghetto as vell! LOL! The only Stamford I've been to over your side of the pond is in Connecticut. Didn't seem ghetto-like in the slightest. Signaturewrmst rgrds Robin Bignall Quiet part of Hertfordshire England >>>Newark is a town that I used to know well, because a couple of >>>friends at A-Level college came from there. I seem to have a memory that [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > The only Stamford I've been to over your side of the pond is in > Connecticut. Didn't seem ghetto-like in the slightest. There are certainly parts of Stamford CT that are more than slightly ghetto-like. That city, like Newark NJ, is quite unlike its UK counterpart. SignatureFrances Kemmish Production Manager East Coast Youth Ballet www.byramartscenter.com >>>>Newark is a town that I used to know well, because a couple of >>>>friends at A-Level college came from there. I seem to have a memory that [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >There are certainly parts of Stamford CT that are more than slightly >ghetto-like. That city, like Newark NJ, is quite unlike its UK counterpart. This was in the mid-eighties, Frances. Maybe I only went to the good bits, or possibly my IBM guardian-angel was watching over me. Apropos of that, a year or two before that I attended a conference Monday through Friday in hotel in downtown Washington DC. It was my first visit there, so I stayed the weekend to see the sights, and on the Saturday evening went out and wandered around, eventually ending up in a Sushi bar (Sushi was, and still is, very expensive in England, so I made the most of being on expenses). I flew out on the Sunday for a Monday meeting in Poughkeepsie, and when I mentioned that I'd been wandering around Washington at night in a suit, many of the Americans winced, and told me I was lucky to escape unscathed. I never saw any trouble at all. Signaturewrmst rgrds Robin Bignall Quiet part of Hertfordshire England >>>>>Newark is a town that I used to know well, because a couple of >>>>>friends at A-Level college came from there. I seem to have a memory that [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > This was in the mid-eighties, Frances. Maybe I only went to the good bits, > or possibly my IBM guardian-angel was watching over me. We moved to Connecticut in 1985 - maybe we were there at the same time. It is relatively easy to avoid the more seedy and dangerous parts of Stamford, although I have taken wrong turns and found myself in places that made me a little nervous. I have never actually had a problem there myself, but I have an acquaintance who used to work in the emergency room at Stamford hospital, and recounted hair-raising tales of Saturday mights with gang wars, drug overdoses, and knifings.. Apropos of that, a > year or two before that I attended a conference Monday through Friday in > hotel in downtown Washington DC. It was my first visit there, so I stayed [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > many of the Americans winced, and told me I was lucky to escape unscathed. > I never saw any trouble at all. In the late 1970s, American friends of ours had to cower under the back seat of the cab they had hailed in DC, while the cab driver engaged in a gun fight with a business rival of some kind. We had left Washington DC only a couple of days earlier, and had seen no problems. We were told that it was at that time the murder capital of the US - a title it had recently taken from Detroit. I hope that Washington is a safer place now, since my daughter is there. SignatureFrances Kemmish Production Manager East Coast Youth Ballet www.byramartscenter.com >We moved to Connecticut in 1985 - maybe we were there at the same time. Probably. The particular assignment that took me to Stamford and Milford a dozen or so times was 1983 - 1987. > It is relatively easy to avoid the more seedy and dangerous parts of >Stamford, although I have taken wrong turns and found myself in places >that made me a little nervous. I have never actually had a problem there >myself, but I have an acquaintance who used to work in the emergency >room at Stamford hospital, and recounted hair-raising tales of Saturday >mights with gang wars, drug overdoses, and knifings.. Those last two are not unusual in British hospitals these days, particularly in 'Accident and Emergency' departments, where either the patient or his friends run out of patience. Signaturewrmst rgrds Robin Bignall Quiet part of Hertfordshire England > >> Newark is a town that I used to know well, because a couple of > >> friends at A-Level college came from there. I seem to have a memory that [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > The only Stamford I've been to over your side of the pond is in > Connecticut. Didn't seem ghetto-like in the slightest. That's because you only went to the eerie-looking part with all the glass-and-steel skyscrapers and the general atmosphere of a ghost town (NTTAWWT). That Stamford is a satellite business center for New York (Largest City in America). Had you turned around or to the side you'd have seen the *real* Stamford, which is your standard decaying Northeastern mill-town (albeit with some New Englandy touches like a preference for pale green house siding). > That's because you only went to the eerie-looking part with all the > glass-and-steel skyscrapers and the general atmosphere of a ghost town [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Northeastern mill-town (albeit with some New Englandy touches like a > preference for pale green house siding). Why do you consider some parts of Stamford more "real" than others? They are all part of the city. SignatureFrances Kemmish Production Manager East Coast Youth Ballet www.byramartscenter.com > > That's because you only went to the eerie-looking part with all the > > glass-and-steel skyscrapers and the general atmosphere of a ghost town [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Why do you consider some parts of Stamford more "real" than others? They > are all part of the city. The Corporate part of Stamford has always seemed unreal to me, and the really odd thing about Stamford is the contrast between the unrealness of the Corporate city and the standard realness of the crumbling mill-town port city. This might just be me, though. >>>That's because you only went to the eerie-looking part with all the >>>glass-and-steel skyscrapers and the general atmosphere of a ghost town [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > the Corporate city and the standard realness of the crumbling mill-town > port city. This might just be me, though. Yes, I think it's just you. I have shopped, worked, dined, been to the theatre, caught trains, attended high school graduations, helped put on ballets, and undergone surgery - all in Stamford; and found the "corporate" city just as real as the other parts of the city - even the parts you seem to have missed. Would you like to define what you mean by "real"? SignatureFrances Kemmish Production Manager East Coast Youth Ballet www.byramartscenter.com > > The Corporate part of Stamford has always seemed unreal to me, and the > > really odd thing about Stamford is the contrast between the unrealness of [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Would you like to define what you mean by "real"? I'm not sure, but I was recently in New York, and got to musing about the differences between this Largest City in America and Chicago, the Third Largest City in America. I'd say that Chicago seems "less real" than New York. There's less vibrancy-of-urban-life, and too much uniformity in the nature of the urban experience, in Chicago. Chicago is like a city wrapped in perpetual shadow, a city of death if you will. New York is a city of life, of light, of sunshine, figuratively speaking. This has nothing to do with the visual experience of the two cities, since they look so similar (except that Chicago's landlocked). (However, the people of Chicago look very different, on the whole, from the people of New York -- half the people you see in Chicago look like they just walked off of a farm (NTTAWWF).) Well, so Stamford's sort of like that too, except for the farm thing. >> > The Corporate part of Stamford has always seemed unreal to me, and the >> > really odd thing about Stamford is the contrast between the unrealness of [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > >Well, so Stamford's sort of like that too, except for the farm thing. Wow! Everywhere I've been in the States, the people looked pretty normal to me, but were in general much friendlier than in London or Paris. Even in Redneck bars in Texas. Maybe the British accent helps, plus the fact that if I'm standing next to people for a while, I usually talk to them. Signaturewrmst rgrds Robin Bignall Quiet part of Hertfordshire England >> (However, the people >>of Chicago look very different, on the whole, from the people of New York [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >Redneck bars in Texas. Maybe the British accent helps, plus the fact that >if I'm standing next to people for a while, I usually talk to them. If you can get close enough. Houston, in particular, can boast of having the fattest people in the United States, surely making them the fattest people in the world, if you don't count sumo wrestlers. As for backward rednecks, the rednecks found in Bush's boastful state are not the very worst in the country. You'd probably have to go to Alabama, Georgia, or Mississippi to find the best examples. SignatureAlfred > >> (However, the people > >>of Chicago look very different, on the whole, from the people of New York [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > the very worst in the country. You'd probably have to go to Alabama, > Georgia, or Mississippi to find the best examples. Or Berlin. > > >> (However, the people [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > having the fattest people in the United States, surely making them the > fattest people in the world, if you don't count sumo wrestlers. I assume you are referring to the Men's Fitness Magazine "study." This "study" by Men's Fitness is junk science. What's really sad is that other sources report it as if scientific fact. You know what operationalizations (ways to measure) obesity they used? Things such as number of pizza joints, weather, and number of sporting goods stores. That tells us nothing about what the people actually look like. The Centers for Disease Control (CDC) also did a study using federal data. It was much more scientific and looked at BMIs. Houston isn't at the top of the list of that one. I don't know why that one isn't reported more often. > As for > backward rednecks, the rednecks found in Bush's boastful state are not > the very worst in the country. You'd probably have to go to Alabama, > Georgia, or Mississippi to find the best examples. Small-town Texas is VERY different from big city Texas. And you are right; there are more "rednecks" in other areas. Texas actually has a large population of people who have moved in from places like California and other states, as well as other countries. Houston, for example, is very international and has a very diverse population. It has a large Asian population. It's not "redneck" at all. >"It's well documented in official records that the City's original name was >'Snottingham', or 'Home of Snots', but when the Normans came, they couldn't >pronounce the letter 'S', so decreed the town be called 'Nottingham' or the >'Home of Notts'. It's easy to understand why this change was resisted so >fiercely by the people of Scunthorpe." A notice at the entrance to the caves in the Broadmarsh Centre says the old Celtic name for Nottingham was Ty na Bac. As a speaker of Scots Gaelic, it would be very close to Tigh na bac meaning house in the embankment. I suspect the type of Celtic used in the East Midlands would be "P" Celtic and would be more akin to Welsh than to Scots. -- Alasdair Baxter, Nottingham, UK.Tel +44 115 9705100; Fax +44 115 9423263 "It's not what you say that matters but how you say it. It's not what you do that matters but how you do it" >>"It's well documented in official records that the City's original name was >>'Snottingham', or 'Home of Snots', but when the Normans came, they couldn't [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >Scots Gaelic, it would be very close to Tigh na bac meaning house in >the embankment. In the 1950s, long before Broadmarsh was built over them, there were two derelict white Georgian mansions standing just to the city side of where Redmayne & Todd's sporting shop is or was (I guess it has gone by now). Under them were entrances to those caves, which seemed to run for miles. A friend and I once took torches and chalk, and explored them for a couple of hundred yards. They were spooky and we didn't stay long, and later learned at school that they were part of the honeycomb of tunnels which runs under the castle and its rock. Since the Castle Rock is the highest point in the area, I wonder if there's always been some sort of building on it, and if it's the embankment referred to? The River Trent might have been wider and shallower in ancient times, and have run past the rock, for it was a ford before it was bridged. Signaturewrmst rgrds Robin Bignall Quiet part of Hertfordshire England >The Romans used to call Nottingham 'Snottingham', long before Robin Hood >came with Maid Marion in Sherwood Forest. > >Not a lot of people know that. A notice at the entrance to the caves in the Broadmarsh Centre says the old Celtic name for Nottingham was Ty na Bac. As a speaker of Scots Gaelic, it would be very close to Tigh na bac meaning house in the embankment. I suspect the type of Celtic used in the East Midlands would be "P" Celtic and would be more akin to Welsh than to Scots. -- Alasdair Baxter, Nottingham, UK.Tel +44 115 9705100; Fax +44 115 9423263 "It's not what you say that matters but how you say it. It's not what you do that matters but how you do it" >>>What is the proper way to refer to the waste inside your nose? Nose sh.t? >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Not a lot of people know that. What - about Robin coming? SignatureRob Bannister >>>>What is the proper way to refer to the waste inside your nose? Nose sh.t? >>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> >What - about Robin coming? Unless he was a screamer I guess it might have been a secret between them. Signaturewrmst rgrds Robin Bignall Quiet part of Hertfordshire England > What is the proper way to refer to the waste inside your nose? Nose sh.t? Nasal mucus, runny or dried. >> What is the proper way to refer to the waste inside your nose? Nose sh.t? > >Nasal mucus, runny or dried. Mucous is nasal by default. If you want slang, there's "boogers" (dried or dried + wet mucous) or snot (the runny kind of mucous). You can refer to your nose as "the old snot locker" if you are so inclined. Best regards, Spehro Pefhany Signature"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward" speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com > >> What is the proper way to refer to the waste inside your nose? Nose sh.t? > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > can refer to your nose as "the old snot locker" if you are so > inclined. I would have said "mucous", is an *adjective* by default. Furthermore, even if you're talking about "mucus" (which I think you are) it doesn't default to *nasal* mucous membranes, does it? mucus (my??kes) noun The viscous, slippery substance that consists chiefly of mucin, water, cells, and inorganic salts and is secreted as a protective lubricant coating by cells and glands of the mucous membranes. [Latin mucus.] AHD > >> What is the proper way to refer to the waste inside your nose? Nose sh.t? > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > can refer to your nose as "the old snot locker" if you are so > inclined. 'Mucous" is an adjective. The noun is 'mucus'. Mucus, moreover, is secreted by mucous membranes, of which there are several. Your statement "Mucous is nasal by default" is therefore nonsensical. SignatureChristopher (Change 3032 to 3232 to reply by private e-mail) >> >> What is the proper way to refer to the waste inside your nose? Nose sh.t? >> > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >'Mucous" is an adjective. The noun is 'mucus'. Ah, thank you. My mistake. >Mucus, moreover, is secreted by mucous membranes, of which >there are several. > >Your statement "Mucous is nasal by default" is therefore >nonsensical. When one refers to mucus, it is ordinarily assumed to be nasal mucus uness otherwise specified. Best regards, Spehro Pefhany Signature"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward" speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com > When one refers to mucus, it is ordinarily assumed to be nasal mucus > uness otherwise specified. Sez who? I wouldn't make that assumption, I don't think. > > When one refers to mucus, it is ordinarily assumed to be nasal mucus > > uness otherwise specified. > > Sez who? I wouldn't make that assumption, I don't think. I would. SignatureJohn Varela (Trade "OLD" lamps for "NEW" for email.) I apologize for munging the address but the spam is too much. >>>>>What is the proper way to refer to the waste inside your nose? Nose sh.t? >>>> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > When one refers to mucus, it is ordinarily assumed to be nasal mucus > uness otherwise specified. Not necessarily (she observed, coughing productively). SignatureLaura (emulate St. George for email) >> When one refers to mucus, it is ordinarily assumed to be nasal mucus >> uness otherwise specified. > >Not necessarily (she observed, coughing productively). Cherche la phlegm. It's all the same stuff isn't it? Is there a single term for that particular stuff, as opposed to mucus from other mucous membranes? Best regards, Spehro Pefhany Signature"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward" speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com >>> When one refers to mucus, it is ordinarily assumed to be nasal mucus >>> uness otherwise specified. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >term for that particular stuff, as opposed to mucus from other mucous >membranes? Slimy. Signaturewrmst rgrds Robin Bignall Quiet part of Hertfordshire England > When one refers to mucus, it is ordinarily assumed to be nasal mucus > uness otherwise specified. You're still wrong. I suggest you investigate wounds or even vaginas. SignatureRob Bannister Robert Bannister filted: >> When one refers to mucus, it is ordinarily assumed to be nasal mucus >> uness otherwise specified. > >You're still wrong. I suggest you investigate wounds or even vaginas. Now there's a suggestion worthy of a bumper sticker at the very least.... And now here's Kinky Friedman, the Texas Jewboy, to take us into the commercial: Ol' Ben Lucas had a lot of mucus Comin’ right out of his nose. He picked and picked till it made you sick, But back again it grows. When it’s cotton picking time in Texas, Boys, it’s booger picking time for Ben. He’d raise that finger mean and hostile Stick it in that waitin’ nostril, Here he comes with a green one once again. ....r >> When one refers to mucus, it is ordinarily assumed to be nasal mucus >> uness otherwise specified. > >You're still wrong. I suggest you investigate wounds or even vaginas. So, if a young lady with the sniffles and a bandaged hand mentions that she has a lot of mucus, would you inquire after her wound, her vagina or her nose? Best regards, Spehro Pefhany Signature"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward" speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com >>> When one refers to mucus, it is ordinarily assumed to be nasal mucus >>> uness otherwise specified. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >that she has a lot of mucus, would you inquire after her wound, her >vagina or her nose? No, just her phone number. The rest can wait until she feels better. Signaturewrmst rgrds Robin Bignall Quiet part of Hertfordshire England >>>>When one refers to mucus, it is ordinarily assumed to be nasal mucus >>>>uness otherwise specified. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > No, just her phone number. The rest can wait until she feels better. Strange. I don't have the original of this reply by Spehro. I have to say I have never heard anyone say they have a lot of mucus unless they have previously mentioned something about their nose. They would be more likely to say their nose was blocked or they had a runny nose. SignatureRob Bannister >>>What is the proper way to refer to the waste inside your nose? Nose sh.t? >> >>Nasal mucus, runny or dried. > > Mucous is nasal by default. What? (I was even tempted to add 3 exclamation marks.) SignatureRob Bannister > >>>What is the proper way to refer to the waste inside your nose? Nose sh.t? > >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > What? (I was even tempted to add 3 exclamation marks.) In this case you should use at least one! "What?!" It's interesting to see the various ways that the *South Park* character Sheila Broflovski's catchphrase "What what *what*?!" is punctuated in Web pages. Do a Google search for "south park" "sheila" "what what what" The authors of several pages chose to give it a stretch of four punctuation marks: <?!?!>. SignatureRaymond S. Wise Minneapolis, Minnesota USA E-mail: mplsray @ yahoo . com > The authors of several pages chose to give it a stretch of four punctuation > marks: <?!?!>. The double interrobang?! MC filted: >> The authors of several pages chose to give it a stretch of four punctuation >> marks: <?!?!>. > >The double interrobang?! Interroterrobangbang.... Invented by Ian Fleming, the discoverer of penicillin....r > >The double interrobang?! > > Interroterrobangbang.... > > Invented by Ian Fleming, the discoverer of penicillin....r ...*and* he won an gold medal in the ladies figure skating at the 1968 Olympics. >>The double interrobang?! > Interroterrobangbang.... > Invented by Ian Fleming, the discoverer of penicillin....r Oh you pretty interro bang bang interro interro bang bang we love you. >>> What is the proper way to refer to the waste inside your nose? Nose sh.t? >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >can refer to your nose as "the old snot locker" if you are so >inclined. I wonder when a facial tissue company will call its product "Booger Off". S& > What is the proper way to refer to the waste inside your nose? Nose sh.t? How about 'booger'? http://www.bartleby.com/61/95/B0389500.html SignatureChristopher (Change 3032 to 3232 to reply by private e-mail) > > What is the proper way to refer to the waste inside your nose? Nose sh.t? > > How about 'booger'? Not so sure about that. I think the OP is looking for the collective noun or generic term for snot, and a booger (or bogey in BrE) is an *individual* piece of snot with a particular consistency (to say nothing of flavour). > http://www.bartleby.com/61/95/B0389500.html Here's what it says there: +++ SYLLABICATION: boog?er PRONUNCIATION: bgr NOUN: 1. A bogeyman. 2. Slang Dried nasal mucus. 3. Slang An item that is unnamed or unnameable: "It's . . . like a pop-top . . . one of those sharp little boogers you pull off the beer cans" (Hunter S. Thompson). 4. Slang a. A worthless, despicable person. b. A person; a fellow. ETYMOLOGY: Origin unknown. +++ I would not have made the connection to bogeyman -- is it really a definition of "booger"? Perhaps archaic. And I really am not sure I agree with the Hunter S. Thompson citation,. It seems to me more a corruption of "bugger" rather than a reference to snot. > > > What is the proper way to refer to the waste inside your nose? Nose sh.t? > > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > +++ Right. I don't believe 'booger' is ever used as a *collective* noun. Moreover, I think the OP should perhaps have clarified what he meant by "the proper way"; "proper" as in *biologically* "proper" or "proper" as in *'polite company' usage* "proper"? [..] SignatureChristopher (Change 3032 to 3232 to reply by private e-mail) Thanks for all the replies. Sorry I should have clarified. I wanted a polite way to refer to 'dry mucus'. In Chinese, if literally translated, it's 'nose sh.t' but of course I know this is incorrect. ;) The usage where I want to apply this word is when I see someone and there's 'nose sh.t' sticking out of his nose.. how would I say it? Excuse me, you have ?? on your nose? Thanks again for all the help. > > > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > [..] > Thanks for all the replies. Sorry I should have clarified. I wanted a > polite way to refer to 'dry mucus'. In Chinese, if literally > translated, it's 'nose sh.t' but of course I know this is incorrect. > ;) The usage where I want to apply this word is when I see someone and > there's 'nose sh.t' sticking out of his nose.. how would I say it? > Excuse me, you have ?? on your nose? Thanks again for all the help. Ordinarily, if you were going to broach the subject at all, you would point to your *own* nose to give the person an idea of where the problem was and say, "Excuse me, you have something there." In other words, it's a delicate subject, and I'd hesitate using any particular term for the dried mucus, including "dried mucus," unless the person was a personal friend of mine who I knew didn't mind the term "booger." That term is a bit vulgar, and "dried mucus" sounds like a medical term. It's doubtful that "nose sh.t" is the most apt literal translation of "booger" because the word "sh.t" is a taboo word. It's not permitted, for example, on network or basic cable programs in the United States, often being bleeped in movies shown on TV or when used as an exclamation--"sh.t!"--being overdubbed with "Shoot!" as I saw just this evening when the cable network "Comedy Central" showed an edited-for-television version of the movie *The Blues Brothers.* The most apt literal translation is presumably "nose feces." SignatureRaymond S. Wise Minneapolis, Minnesota USA E-mail: mplsray @ yahoo . com >> Thanks for all the replies. Sorry I should have clarified. I wanted a >> polite way to refer to 'dry mucus'. In Chinese, if literally [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >I knew didn't mind the term "booger." That term is a bit vulgar, and "dried >mucus" sounds like a medical term. Agreed. The object itself is never mentioned in polite conversation. The traditional tip-off is to repeatedly brush your own nose. This will often trigger an almost Pavlovian response in the other person to brush their nose and thus dislodge the offending object. Hopefully, the object will fall directly on the floor and not on the person's chin. The fall trajectory is often influenced by facial hair in the case of men, and protruding anatomical features in the case of women. Sometimes it takes a stronger signal and the signaler must nose brush in an exceedingly more exaggerated manner. The signaler must be careful if this is done in a crowded room - a party setting, for example - because it will often result in everyone in the room (except the person with the nostril-embedded object) to surreptitiously check their noses. Women will pull out compacts, and men will try to find shiny and reflective objects to examine. Conversations will cease and the general flow of the party will be disrupted. Relationships that might have developed may be snipped in the bud. Both parties will think that what they thought was a meaningful conversation was only the result of the rapt horror of looking at someone that had something the size of a Portobello mushroom lodged in a nostril. > > > What is the proper way to refer to the waste inside your nose? Nose sh.t? > > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > It seems to me more a corruption of "bugger" rather than a reference to > snot. The online Merriam-Webster dictionary at www.m-w.com has the following for "booger": [quote] Etymology: alteration of English dialect buggard, boggart, from 1bug + -ard Date: 1866 1 : BOGEYMAN 2 : a piece of dried nasal mucus [end quote] M-W dictionaries give definitions in historical order, so the "bogeyman" sense was the original sense of the word. From the etymology given by Merriam-Webster, "booger" was once an example of the use of the suffix "-ard," derived ultimately from Old High German "-hart." The suffix "-ard, when applied to things originally had--as *The Century Dictionary* points out in its entry for that suffix--an intensive force, which is now no longer evident. Other examples the Century gives of such an originally intensive force for "-ard" are the words "billiard," "bombard," "placard," and "tankard." The sense drift from bogeyman to dried nasal mucus would appear to be by way of the sense "2 a : an object or source of dread b : a continuing source of irritation : PROBLEM." That definition comes from the Merriam-Webster online's entry for "bugbear," a related word. SignatureRaymond S. Wise Minneapolis, Minnesota USA E-mail: mplsray @ yahoo . com > > > > What is the proper way to refer to the waste inside your nose? Nose > sh.t? [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > such an originally intensive force for "-ard" are the words "billiard," > "bombard," "placard," and "tankard." I've reconsidered. I suspect that the use of "-ard" in question is the pejorative one usually used when the suffix is applied to humans, as in "drunkard" and "bastard." "Booger" originally meant a bogeyman, not a thing but a creature of some sort. > The sense drift from bogeyman to dried nasal mucus would appear to be by way > of the sense "2 a : an object or source of dread b : a continuing source of > irritation : PROBLEM." That definition comes from the Merriam-Webster > online's entry for "bugbear," a related word. SignatureRaymond S. Wise Minneapolis, Minnesota USA E-mail: mplsray @ yahoo . com >I've reconsidered. I suspect that the use of "-ard" in question is the >pejorative one usually used when the suffix is applied to humans, as in >"drunkard" and "bastard." "Booger" originally meant a bogeyman, not a thing >but a creature of some sort. It might be related to "bogey" which is a moving object used as a target in military shooting practice. S& > What is the proper way to refer to the waste inside your nose? Nose sh.t? Another term, not mentioned so far in this thread, is the ad-man's euphemism "post-nasal drip". SignatureChris Green > > What is the proper way to refer to the waste inside your nose? Nose sh.t? > > Another term, not mentioned so far in this thread, is the ad-man's > euphemism "post-nasal drip". We-e-e-e-l-l-l now... It is a medical condition, not an adman's iinvention: http://www.entnet.org/healthinfo/nose/nasal.cfm ...which has a graphic that shows it really has nothing to do with snot. >> What is the proper way to refer to the waste inside your nose? Nose sh.t? > >Another term, not mentioned so far in this thread, is the ad-man's >euphemism "post-nasal drip". Although you may describe this message as a post nasal drip, I believe the term replies to the material going backwards down the throat, not out of the nostril. S& >What is the proper way to refer to the waste inside your nose? Nose sh.t? Snot. 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