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Alasdair Baxter - 28 Dec 2003 23:03 GMT
Please, can someone tell me why national honours in the UK like
knighthoods etc are called "gongs".  I always thought a gong was bell
to summon diners to their tables.
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MC - 28 Dec 2003 23:52 GMT
> Please, can someone tell me why national honours in the UK like
> knighthoods etc are called "gongs".  I always thought a gong was bell
> to summon diners to their tables.

This is only a guess, but I think a dinner gong looks rather like a
large medal.
Dr Robin Bignall - 29 Dec 2003 01:12 GMT
>Please, can someone tell me why national honours in the UK like
>knighthoods etc are called "gongs".  I always thought a gong was bell
>to summon diners to their tables.

Here's a copy of my response to more or less the same question in AEU.
Cross-posting, in this instance, would be easier on the readers.

>Things like knighthoods are not called gongs: medals are.
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>but it may date further back. I suspect it's definitely from the armed
>services.

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Maria Conlon - 29 Dec 2003 19:15 GMT
> Here's a copy of my response to more or less the same question in
>AEU.
> Cross-posting, in this instance, would be easier on the readers.

How so? Cross-posting would be easier for the poster, I can see that,
but why "easier" for the readers? (Or do you mean "readers" in a sense
other than "people who read"?)

When something is cross-posted, I do not go to the other group(s) to see
if there are any responses I haven't seen in aue. I wouldn't really care
about responses in and to another group unless I were looking for
answers to a question I had knowingly cross-posted myself.

YMMV.

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david56 - 31 Dec 2003 10:34 GMT
mariaconlon001@hotmail.com spake thus:

> > Here's a copy of my response to more or less the same question in
> > AEU.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> but why "easier" for the readers? (Or do you mean "readers" in a sense
> other than "people who read"?)

There are several reasons for preferring cross posting in a case like
this.  News readers recognise cross-posted articles and mark them as
read in all newsgroups after you have viewed one of them.  So those
of us who read both AUE and AEU don't have to wade through two sets
of correspondence.  Replies get posted to all groups by default (even
if you are not subscribed to the other groups), which means that
everybody can see replies posted via both groups, so we don't get
duplicated responses in different groups.

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Dr Robin Bignall - 31 Dec 2003 16:51 GMT
>> Here's a copy of my response to more or less the same question in
>>AEU.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>but why "easier" for the readers? (Or do you mean "readers" in a sense
>other than "people who read"?)

I used the plural because I assumed that more than one person would read
the post(s).

>When something is cross-posted, I do not go to the other group(s) to see
>if there are any responses I haven't seen in aue. I wouldn't really care
>about responses in and to another group unless I were looking for
>answers to a question I had knowingly cross-posted myself.

If you have a cross-post manager in your newsgroup client software, then a
cross-posted post will only be visible in the first group of the set of
groups, while the same post posted separately will usually be treated as
two separate posts and show up twice. Many of us follow AEU and AUE (and
some UCLE as well), my newsgroup client presents the groups in alphabetical
order unless told otherwise, so I only see one copy of a post that has been
cross-posted to the two groups, in AEU. The one in AUE is ignored.

If you have a question/comment that could be addressed in several very
disparate groups, it may be wise to post separately to each group,
otherwise threads crossposted to all of the groups can get wildly out of
hand in any one group because of thread drift. But with what I call "the
English community" of AEU, AUE and UCLE, cross-posting simply prevents
copies being seen in each group.

I, personally, am not in favour of setting one group for follow-ups,
because I've seen on occasions a group chosen which, after all of the
responses are in, is not the one that most of the responders were actually
subscribed to.

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Tony Mountifield - 01 Jan 2004 17:52 GMT
> If you have a cross-post manager in your newsgroup client software, then a
> cross-posted post will only be visible in the first group of the set of
> groups, while the same post posted separately will usually be treated as
> two separate posts and show up twice.

More precisely, a cross-posted article will be visible in all of its
groups until you read it in any one of them. When you have read it,
it is marked as "read" in all groups so you cease to see it in the
other groups (unless you "view read postings").

> Many of us follow AEU and AUE (and
> some UCLE as well), my newsgroup client presents the groups in alphabetical
> order unless told otherwise, so I only see one copy of a post that has been
> cross-posted to the two groups, in AEU. The one in AUE is ignored.

I haven't read AUE for some years, and re-subscribed today. I never knew
of AEU - is that a recent group?

Cheers,
Tony
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Dena Jo - 01 Jan 2004 19:18 GMT
> I haven't read AUE for some years, and re-subscribed today. I
> never knew of AEU - is that a recent group?

It's the bastard stepchild of AUE.  *Some* AUEers refuse to acknowledge
its existence.

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Mike Lyle - 02 Jan 2004 12:59 GMT
> > I haven't read AUE for some years, and re-subscribed today. I
> > never knew of AEU - is that a recent group?
>
> It's the bastard stepchild of AUE.  *Some* AUEers refuse to acknowledge
> its existence.

Me, I don't refuse to acknowledge it: just that two groups is too many
for me to keep up with, as I already dip into a few other
non-English-usage ones.

Mike.
Dr Robin Bignall - 04 Jan 2004 00:38 GMT
>> > I haven't read AUE for some years, and re-subscribed today. I
>> > never knew of AEU - is that a recent group?
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>for me to keep up with, as I already dip into a few other
>non-English-usage ones.

So do I, but they say that people need less sleep as they get older, so I
do most of my reading and posting between midnight and 3 am.

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Dr Robin Bignall - 02 Jan 2004 01:13 GMT
>> If you have a cross-post manager in your newsgroup client software, then a
>> cross-posted post will only be visible in the first group of the set of
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>I haven't read AUE for some years, and re-subscribed today. I never knew
>of AEU - is that a recent group?

I started following it in 1998, but it's older than that. Some say that it
was formed by someone entering "alt.usage.english" as "alt.english.usage"
in the days when a new group could be formed without ceremony. Some
newsgroup servers do not carry it.

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Don Phillipson - 29 Dec 2003 13:31 GMT
> Please, can someone tell me why national honours in the UK like
> knighthoods etc are called "gongs".  I always thought a gong was bell
> to summon diners to their tables.

The dinner gong is merely one common (British) use
of this percussion instrument.  In some countries
whole orchestras of gongs play elaborate music.

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Robert Bannister - 30 Dec 2003 01:16 GMT
>>Please, can someone tell me why national honours in the UK like
>>knighthoods etc are called "gongs".  I always thought a gong was bell
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> of this percussion instrument.  In some countries
> whole orchestras of gongs play elaborate music.

Gongs will forever remind me Arthur J Rank.

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Tony Cooper - 30 Dec 2003 01:18 GMT
>>>Please, can someone tell me why national honours in the UK like
>>>knighthoods etc are called "gongs".  I always thought a gong was bell
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>Gongs will forever remind me Arthur J Rank.

Is he the dyslexic brother of J. Arthur Rank?
Robert Bannister - 30 Dec 2003 02:06 GMT
>>>>Please, can someone tell me why national honours in the UK like
>>>>knighthoods etc are called "gongs".  I always thought a gong was bell
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Is he the dyslexic brother of J. Arthur Rank?

Whoops! I think I just got gonged out.
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Anna Skipka - 31 Dec 2003 21:45 GMT
> Please, can someone tell me why national honours in the UK like
> knighthoods etc are called "gongs".  I always thought a gong was bell
> to summon diners to their tables.

A metal disk that makes a big noise?

-skipka
 
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