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Spehro Pefhany - 29 Dec 2003 04:33 GMT
There appears to be a larval stage of the turban- a fabric-covered
lump that some young South Asian males sport. What would this be
called?

The origin of the word tulip is interesting, but perhaps it's just a
turban legend.

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mUs1Ka - 29 Dec 2003 13:49 GMT
> There appears to be a larval stage of the turban- a fabric-covered
> lump that some young South Asian males sport. What would this be
> called?

It is called a 'patka'. It is Sikh headwear and is worn by the young and for
sports. The 'lump' is their hair. The turban is called a 'pugree'.
m.
Spehro Pefhany - 29 Dec 2003 14:07 GMT
>> There appears to be a larval stage of the turban- a fabric-covered
>> lump that some young South Asian males sport. What would this be
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>sports. The 'lump' is their hair. The turban is called a 'pugree'.
>m.

Thank you, your response was quite helpful.

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Michael J Hardy - 29 Dec 2003 14:56 GMT
> There appears to be a larval stage of the turban- a fabric-covered
> lump that some young South Asian males sport. What would this be
> called?

   If you know enough to put a proper hyphen in "fabric-covered",
why do you not also do so in "turban-related"?    -- Mike Hardy
Spehro Pefhany - 29 Dec 2003 15:12 GMT
>> There appears to be a larval stage of the turban- a fabric-covered
>> lump that some young South Asian males sport. What would this be
>> called?
>
>    If you know enough to put a proper hyphen in "fabric-covered",
>why do you not also do so in "turban-related"?    -- Mike Hardy

A good point. Thank you.

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John Dean - 29 Dec 2003 15:44 GMT
> There appears to be a larval stage of the turban- a fabric-covered
> lump that some young South Asian males sport. What would this be
> called?
>
> The origin of the word tulip is interesting, but perhaps it's just a
> turban legend.

It's been spotted in South Africa where it is the subject of a Durban
legend.
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Maria Conlon - 29 Dec 2003 18:23 GMT
>> There appears to be a larval stage of the turban- a fabric-covered
>> lump that some young South Asian males sport. What would this be
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> It's been spotted in South Africa where it is the subject of a Durban
> legend.

This reminds me of the book about a mythical hero in Montenegro -- A
Serb in Legend.

And then there's that new cookbook...

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Mike Lyle - 29 Dec 2003 18:36 GMT
[...]
> > The origin of the word tulip is interesting, but perhaps it's just a
> > turban legend.
>
> It's been spotted in South Africa where it is the subject of a Durban
> legend.

Yeah, Kentucky too, where it circulates as a bourbon legend.

Mike.
John Dean - 29 Dec 2003 18:54 GMT
> [...]
>>> The origin of the word tulip is interesting, but perhaps it's just a
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Yeah, Kentucky too, where it circulates as a bourbon legend.

It started at the time of the Crusades, at which point it was known as a
Pope Urban II legend.
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John Varela - 29 Dec 2003 23:49 GMT
> > [...]
> >>> The origin of the word tulip is interesting, but perhaps it's just a
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> It started at the time of the Crusades, at which point it was known as a
> Pope Urban II legend.

HMS Dreadnought was the first modern battleship: with its revolutionary power
plant it was a turbine legend.

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John Dean - 30 Dec 2003 01:30 GMT
>>> [...]
>>>>> The origin of the word tulip is interesting, but perhaps it's
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> HMS Dreadnought was the first modern battleship: with its
> revolutionary power plant it was a turbine legend.

Little Annie Oakley was a sharpshooter - a real carbine legend.
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Mike Lyle - 30 Dec 2003 11:57 GMT
>  [...]
> >>>>> The origin of the word tulip is interesting, but perhaps it's
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>
> Little Annie Oakley was a sharpshooter - a real carbine legend.

Lord Peter Wimsey, famously impeccable in his social behaviour, was an
urbane legend.

Mike.
John Dean - 30 Dec 2003 12:54 GMT
>>  [...]
>>>>>>> The origin of the word tulip is interesting, but perhaps it's
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> Lord Peter Wimsey, famously impeccable in his social behaviour, was an
> urbane legend.

His scientific studies turned him into a carbon legend.
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Laura F Spira - 30 Dec 2003 13:14 GMT
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>>>
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>
> His scientific studies turned him into a carbon legend.

I think you are confusing him with Marie Curie, who was a Sorbonne legend.

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John Dean - 30 Dec 2003 15:56 GMT
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>>>>
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> I think you are confusing him with Marie Curie, who was a Sorbonne
> legend.

Indeed. BTW, I was saddened to read of the death of Alan Bates. His
interpretation of Kazantzakis ensures he will remain forever a Zorban
legend.
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Laura F Spira - 30 Dec 2003 16:10 GMT
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>>>>>
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> interpretation of Kazantzakis ensures he will remain forever a Zorban
> legend.

For a moment I thought you were referring to the other Bates who is, of
course, a Norman legend. That film didn't, however, star Ginger Rogers,
clearly an auburn legend.

And I am surprised that you have not made mention of Bill Heine's shark
which is the stuff of suburban legend. (For those interested -
http://www.headington.org.uk/history/misc/shark.htm)

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Tony Cooper - 30 Dec 2003 18:39 GMT
>For a moment I thought you were referring to the other Bates who is, of
>course, a Norman legend. That film didn't, however, star Ginger Rogers,
>clearly an auburn legend.

Ms Rogers was ginger in name only.   I saw her once - in London when
she toured as "Mame" - and she was a brassy blonde.  The voice wasn't
good, but the leg end was in good shape.

"Ginger" came from her first name:  Virginia.  She was born Virginia
McMath.  I guess could have become a legend in her own cosine had she
stayed McMath.
Laura F Spira - 30 Dec 2003 18:43 GMT
>>For a moment I thought you were referring to the other Bates who is, of
>>course, a Norman legend. That film didn't, however, star Ginger Rogers,
>>clearly an auburn legend.
>
> Ms Rogers was ginger in name only.  

<deep sigh> Er, yes, that was why she would be an auburn legend - geddit?

I saw her once - in London when
> she toured as "Mame" - and she was a brassy blonde.  The voice wasn't
> good, but the leg end was in good shape.
>
> "Ginger" came from her first name:  Virginia.  She was born Virginia
> McMath.  I guess could have become a legend in her own cosine had she
> stayed McMath.

<deep sigh> I don't mind being the straight person or feed if the line
is ultimately funny...

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Tony Cooper - 30 Dec 2003 18:46 GMT
>>>For a moment I thought you were referring to the other Bates who is, of
>>>course, a Norman legend. That film didn't, however, star Ginger Rogers,
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
><deep sigh> Er, yes, that was why she would be an auburn legend - geddit?

No.  Auburn is red.  I must be missing something.

>I saw her once - in London when
>> she toured as "Mame" - and she was a brassy blonde.  The voice wasn't
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
><deep sigh> I don't mind being the straight person or feed if the line
>is ultimately funny...
Armond Perretta - 30 Dec 2003 16:19 GMT
> ... I was saddened to read of the death of Alan Bates. His
> interpretation of Kazantzakis ensures he will remain forever a
> Zorban legend.

I wasn't overjoyed with the news.  I think he had a more appreciative
audience in Rightpondia than here in USA.  Quite a fine actor in any case.

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Mike Lyle - 30 Dec 2003 18:56 GMT
> >>>> [...]
> >>>>
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> interpretation of Kazantzakis ensures he will remain forever a Zorban
> legend.

I believe he was alive when the League of Nations still hoped to end
war for ever. He would have been disappointed to find this was just a
war-ban legend.

Mike.
mUs1Ka - 30 Dec 2003 19:50 GMT
>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>
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> war for ever. He would have been disappointed to find this was just a
> war-ban legend.

Was it not Michael Foot who wanted to stop the import of Arab oil?
He was the oil-ban leg end.
m.
Dr Robin Bignall - 31 Dec 2003 16:58 GMT
>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>
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>Was it not Michael Foot who wanted to stop the import of Arab oil?
>He was the oil-ban leg end.

Tony Blair once suggested that the police be given powers to frogmarch
young street hoodlums (yobs) to the nearest cashpoint machine to extract an
on-the-spot fine using their cash-cards. His knowledge of the finances of
yobs is simply a legend, or more probably, a myth.

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Mike Lyle - 31 Dec 2003 23:53 GMT
> >>>>>>> [...]
> >>>>>>>
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> on-the-spot fine using their cash-cards. His knowledge of the finances of
> yobs is simply a legend, or more probably, a myth.

Are you trying to get me to say the story was just an oik-ban legend?

Mike.
Dr Robin Bignall - 02 Jan 2004 01:15 GMT
>> Tony Blair once suggested that the police be given powers to frogmarch
>> young street hoodlums (yobs) to the nearest cashpoint machine to extract an
>> on-the-spot fine using their cash-cards. His knowledge of the finances of
>> yobs is simply a legend, or more probably, a myth.
>
>Are you trying to get me to say the story was just an oik-ban legend?

Well, yes. But if I'd have had the wit to think of it first...

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Sara Moffat Lorimer - 29 Dec 2003 18:36 GMT
> There appears to be a larval stage of the turban- a fabric-covered
> lump that some young South Asian males sport. What would this be
> called?

"Patka," perhaps?

Here's a photo of said lump:
<http://www.judypat.com/india/sikh.htm>, scroll about 2/3 of the way
down.

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