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David Sachs - 30 Dec 2003 01:43 GMT
The following news story appeared today.

"Officials: World's Largest Snake Caught
D
"Dec 29, 6:28 AM (ET)

"JAKARTA, Indonesia (AP) - Indonesian villagers claim to have captured a
python that is almost 49.21 feet long and weighs nearly 992.07 pounds, a
local official said Monday.

"If confirmed, it would be the largest snake ever kept in captivity.

"Hundreds of people have flocked to see the snake at a primitive zoo in
Curugsewu village on the country's main island of Java, Republika daily
reported. It splashed two large pictures of the reptile across its back
page.

Local government official Rachmat said the reticulated python measured 14.85
meters (49 feet) and weighed in at 447 kilograms (985 pounds). ..."

Does anyone else feel that something is awry?
Robert Bannister - 30 Dec 2003 02:19 GMT
> The following news story appeared today.
>
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>
> Does anyone else feel that something is awry?

My paper obviously did not bother to translate into old fashioned
measures, but they quote the Guinness Book of Records that lists the
longest captured snake as 9.75 m and the heaviest, a Burmese python kept
in Gurnee, Illinois, at 182.76 kg. The newly captured python, my paper
has weighing in at 4470 kg, so that's even more! I wonder what it really
was - 147, 247?

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Bill Bonde ( the oblique allusion in lieu of the frontal attack ) - 30 Dec 2003 02:39 GMT
> > The following news story appeared today.
> >
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> in Gurnee, Illinois, at 182.76 kg. The newly captured python, my paper
> has weighing in at 4470 kg, so that's even more!

This new weight was after it ate those who captured it and their Humvee.

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Mike Barnes - 30 Dec 2003 08:53 GMT
In alt.usage.english, David Sachs wrote:
>The following news story appeared today.
>
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>
>Does anyone else feel that something is awry?

Sure. Media people have a tendency to use dramatic terms such as "over",
"nearly", "almost", etc, rather than more precise but blander terms such
as "about", "approximately", etc.

And they just can't get out of the habit, even when it makes them look
ridiculous.

*about* 50 feet
*about* 1000 pounds

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Ben Zimmer - 30 Dec 2003 22:00 GMT
> In alt.usage.english, David Sachs wrote:
> >The following news story appeared today.
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> And they just can't get out of the habit, even when it makes them look
> ridiculous.

Blame the editors of the wire story as it got transmitted around the
world...

Version #1:

   http://www.newindpress.com/NewsItems.asp?ID=IEW20031229064326
   Indonesian villagers claim to have captured a python that is
   almost 15 meters long and weighs nearly 450 kg, a local
   official said on Monday.
   [...]
   Local government official Rachmat said the reticulated python
   measured 14.85 meters and weighed in at 447 kg.

Version #2:

   http://www.brunei-online.com/bb/tue/dec30w10.htm
   Indonesian villagers claim to have captured a python that is
   almost 15 metres (49.21 feet) long and weighs nearly 450
   kilogrammes (992.07 pounds), a local official said Monday.
   [...]
   Local government official Rachmat said the reticulated python
   measured 14.85 metres (49 feet) and weighed in at 447
   kilogrammes (985 pounds).

Take out the metric measurements from the lede and you're left with the
ridiculous version above.
Richard Chambers - 30 Dec 2003 10:38 GMT
> "JAKARTA, Indonesia (AP) - Indonesian villagers claim to have captured a
> python that is almost 49.21 feet long and weighs nearly 992.07 pounds, a
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Does anyone else feel that something is awry?

I used to occasionally travel to Ferrybridge C Power Station to work. The
four large bay doors to the Turbine Hall, at that time, each had a notice
"Speed limit 3 mph.  = 4.828 km/h"

The person who devised this notice must have been a stickler for accuracy,
since he used the precise conversion 1 mile = 1.6093 km, in preference to
the popular approximation 1 mile ~ 1.6 km.

Richard Chambers       Leeds   UK.
Mark Brader - 03 Jan 2004 10:31 GMT
Richard Chambers:
> I used to occasionally travel to Ferrybridge C Power Station to work. The
> four large bay doors to the Turbine Hall, at that time, each had a notice
> "Speed limit 3 mph.  = 4.828 km/h"

(Giggle)

> The person who devised this notice must have been a stickler for accuracy,
> since he used the precise conversion 1 mile = 1.6093 km...

Whaddayamean precise?  A mile is 1.609344 km -- everybody knows that!
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Michael  Hamm - 04 Jan 2004 14:58 GMT
> > he used the precise conversion 1 mile = 1.6093 km...
>
> Whaddayamean precise?  A mile is 1.609344 km

Hey, if Google says it, it must be so.

http://www.google.com/search?q=mi

Note the lack of squiggly lines.

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Evan Kirshenbaum - 05 Jan 2004 19:34 GMT
> > > he used the precise conversion 1 mile = 1.6093 km...
> >
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Note the lack of squiggly lines.

That's because it's precise.  An inch is defined as 2.54 cm, and a
mile is 12*5,280 = 63,360 inches, so a mile is 160,934.4 cm.
Exactly.

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Michael  Hamm - 06 Jan 2004 03:43 GMT
> > > A mile is 1.609344 km
> >
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> That's because it's precise.

No, it's not.  Google uses '=' even when it approximates.

http://www.google.com/search?q=2%2F3

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AM, Math, Wash. U. St. Louis   I've been erasing too much UBE.
msh210@math.wustl.edu          Of a reply, then, if you have been cheated,
http://math.wustl.edu/~msh210/ Likely your mail's by mistake been deleted.
Michael J Hardy - 30 Dec 2003 20:04 GMT
> "JAKARTA, Indonesia (AP) - Indonesian villagers claim to have captured a
> python that is almost 49.21 feet long and weighs nearly 992.07 pounds, a
> local official said Monday.

 [ ..... ]

> Does anyone else feel that something is awry?

   Yes.  The journalist who wrote that should be beaten
with a yardstick for gross malpractice and sent to a
remedial-arithmetic-for-the-mentally-infirm course, where,
after a few decades of hard study, he or she may learn to
count to 10 and could then be trusted to work on an assembly
line for minimum wage.  Treating numbers that way is
exceedingly uncouth.    -- Mike Hardy
 
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