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Steve Hayes - 05 Jan 2004 04:57 GMT Does anyone know of a word "complicit"?
Someone compiled a document recently that contained the phrase "failure to speak would render us complicit in ...."
I didn't like the phrasing, and edited it to remove the word, but others put it back.
I then looked up "complicit" in my dictionary, to try to find what it meant, and could not find the word at all. Obviously it was intended to sugges complicity, but it struck me as unwise to use an apparently made-up word in a public document.
Has anyone else used it, or got a dictionary that defines it?
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Skitt - 05 Jan 2004 05:12 GMT > Does anyone know of a word "complicit"? > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Has anyone else used it, or got a dictionary that defines it? See http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary
Main Entry: com·plic·it Pronunciation: k&m-'pli-s&t Function: adjective Date: 1973
: having complicity Main Entry: com·plic·i·ty Pronunciation: k&m-'pli-s(&-)tE Function: noun Inflected Form(s): plural -ties Date: circa 1656 1 : association or participation in or as if in a wrongful act 2 : an instance of complicity
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Stuart Leichter - 05 Jan 2004 19:23 GMT > > Does anyone know of a word "complicit"? > > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Date: 1973 > : having complicity In an email exchange about a year ago, I used 'complicit' and was asked about it, the reader not thinking it was 'a word'. Yet, I've used it for many years and have seen it frequently in print. The 1973 minting date (to my thinking) points to Watergate, either the formal hearings or the reportage.
> Main Entry: com·plic·i·ty > Pronunciation: k&m-'pli-s(&-)tE [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > 1 : association or participation in or as if in a wrongful act > 2 : an instance of complicity
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Don Aitken - 05 Jan 2004 05:12 GMT >Does anyone know of a word "complicit"? > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Has anyone else used it, or got a dictionary that defines it? Onelook finds four of them: http://www.onelook.com/?w=complicit&ls=a . I would have thought it was a pretty common word; Google gives 65,000 hits.
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Bob Cunningham - 05 Jan 2004 07:23 GMT
> >Does anyone know of a word "complicit"?
> >Someone compiled a document recently that contained the phrase "failure to > >speak would render us complicit in ...."
> >I didn't like the phrasing, and edited it to remove the word, but others put > >it back.
> >I then looked up "complicit" in my dictionary, to try to find what it meant, > >and could not find the word at all. I'm curious to know what dictionary you looked in. I've looked in several American dictionaries without failing to find "complicit".
Okay, now I've looked in a UK dictionary, the _Concise Oxford Eighth Edition_: "Complicity" is there but no "complicit". Sensing a possible US-UK difference, I look in the _Chambers Dictionary_ (1993) and find that it isn't there either.
But it's in the _New Shorter Oxford English Dictionary_:
complicit /k<schwa>m"plIsIt/ a. L20. [Back-form. f. COMPLICITY.] Having or showing complicity, that is a party to or involved in wrongdoing. Independent The absurd notion..that all these people are complicit in some criminal conspiracy.
No mention of "especially US" or anything of the sort. The source "Independent" isn't much help. The _NSOED_ "Guide to the New SOED" doesn't expand on "Independent" as a source, and there are newspapers called "Independent" scattered all over the English-speaking world, according to Google.
What newspaper would British people think is likely to be meant when they hear only that something has appeared in the pages of the "Independent"?
Now I'm startled to find that the online _Oxford English Dictionary_ has no entry for "complicit", although it has "complice", "complicity", and "complicitous". But it's not so startling when I notice the "L20" in the _NSOED_ entry. It stands for "late 20th century", so it seems it may have been too new to have found its way into the _OED_.
But _Collegiate_ dictionaries starting with the ninth edition have it, tagged with the date 1973. That says it had been attested about fifteen years before the 1980s _Supplement to the Oxford English Dictionary_ was published, and that supplement was included in the compilation of the _OED_ second edition. It appears the Oxford lexicographers don't always look at American dictionaries to see if they've overlooked any words. Or maybe they looked at it as an American barbarism that wasn't fit to be included in the _OED_.
Maybe sometime in the next ten or twenty years, when the Oxford updaters have worked through the rest of the last half of the alphabet and come around to the "C"s, they'll add "complicit" to the lexicon.
Incidentally, the word "complicit" provides yet another bit of evidence that the _Merriam-Webster's Unabridged Dictionary_ on CD ROM has updates in it that were inserted after it's parent, the _Webster's Third New International Dictionary_, was published in 1966. "Complicit" is in the former, but not in the latter.
Also incidentally, "complice" was a quite new word to me. It means the same as "accomplice", someone who is complicit.
Don Aitken - 05 Jan 2004 07:41 GMT >But it's in the _New Shorter Oxford English Dictionary_: > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >meant when they hear only that something has appeared in the >pages of the "Independent"? The British national newspaper of that name, no doubt. I think the same rule would apply to any newspaper name given without an indication of location. The Independent was founded in the 1980s, so it won't have provided too many dictionary citations yet. Website http://www.independent.co.uk/ which is the first hit in a Google search for <independent newspaper>.
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Ray Heindl - 05 Jan 2004 22:23 GMT > I'm curious to know what dictionary you looked in. I've > looked in several American dictionaries without failing to > find "complicit". Surprisingly enough, the Random House Unabridged (CD version) doesn't have it.
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Bob Cunningham - 06 Jan 2004 01:33 GMT
> > I'm curious to know what dictionary you looked in. I've > > looked in several American dictionaries without failing to > > find "complicit".
> Surprisingly enough, the Random House Unabridged (CD > version) doesn't have it. My _Random House Unabridged Electronic Dictionary_ (latest copyright 1996) doesn't have "complicit", but the _Random House Webster's College Dictionary Second Edition_ (1997) does have, tacked onto the entry for "complicity": "complicitous, complicit, _adj_." (_RHUED_ has at the same point only "complicitous, _adj_.")
So the word appeared in 1973, according to Merriam-Webster; was in _Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary_ (1983); was not in the _RHUED_ (1996), but was in the _RHWCD_ (1997); was not in the _Concise Oxford Dictionary Eighth Edition_ (1990) but -- according to an AUE poster -- was in the _COD_ tenth edition (copyright date?); was in the _New Shorter Oxford English Dictionary_ (1993) but not in Burchfield's _Supplement to the Oxford English Dictionary_ (1987).
It was evidently not in any of the _Additions_ to the _OED_, or it would have been in the _OED_ second edition and now in the online edition. (_OED2_ was an aggregation of the original _OED_, a supplement (1930s?) to the latter, the 1987 _Supplement_, the _Additions_ volumes, and twenty or so thousand other entries.)
To make the time lines a tad smoother, it would be nice to know if "complicit" was in the eighth _Collegiate_ and also if it was in _COD9_. (I have the fifth, seventh, ninth, tenth, and eleventh _Collegiate_s, but not the sixth or the eighth.)
Ray Heindl - 06 Jan 2004 21:19 GMT > To make the time lines a tad smoother, it would be nice to > know if "complicit" was in the eighth _Collegiate_ and also > if it was in _COD9_. (I have the fifth, seventh, ninth, > tenth, and eleventh _Collegiate_s, but not the sixth or the > eighth.) It's not in the eighth MWCD, copyright 1976, either by itself or under "complicity".
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Steve Hayes - 05 Jan 2004 18:24 GMT >>Does anyone know of a word "complicit"? >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >I would have thought it was a pretty common word; Google gives 65,000 >hits. Strange, then, that my Collins doesn't have it -- I thought they compiled their database from usage.
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Lars Eighner - 05 Jan 2004 05:34 GMT In our last episode, <3ff8e69c.105148612@news.saix.net>, the lovely and talented Steve Hayes broadcast on alt.usage.english:
> Does anyone know of a word "complicit"?
> Someone compiled a document recently that contained the phrase "failure to > speak would render us complicit in ...."
> I didn't like the phrasing, and edited it to remove the word, but others put > it back.
> I then looked up "complicit" in my dictionary, to try to find what it meant, > and could not find the word at all. Obviously it was intended to sugges > complicity, but it struck me as unwise to use an apparently made-up word in a > public document.
> Has anyone else used it, or got a dictionary that defines it? If you prefer an older word, try "complicitous." By now you have read other responses citing Merriam-Webster who date "complicit" to 1973.
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Martin Ambuhl - 05 Jan 2004 06:51 GMT > Does anyone know of a word "complicit"? [...]
> I then looked up "complicit" in my dictionary, to try to find what it meant, > and could not find the word at all. [...]
> Has anyone else used it, or got a dictionary that defines it? Almost any dictionary would do.
[COD10] complicit /k@m"plIsIt/ · adj. involved with others in an unlawful activity; having complicity.
I have run an experiment to determine how tiny a dictionary I need not to find "complicit." Unfortunately, *all* of my English language dictionaries have it, as do all of my translating dictionaries that I use professionally.
However, my *pocket* English-Chinese, -Japanese, -Spanish, -Russian dictionaries have neither "complicity" nor "complicit." My pocket English-Slovene, -French, -German, and -Latin dictionaries have "complicity," but not "complicit." It seems that there *is* a level at which "complicit" does not make the cut for the word list. Which English language dictionaries place "complicit" beyond the pale?
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Frances Kemmish - 05 Jan 2004 11:28 GMT >> Does anyone know of a word "complicit"? > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > level at which "complicit" does not make the cut for the word list. > Which English language dictionaries place "complicit" beyond the pale? I looked in my Chambers (1973), and it doesn't have "complicit". It has "complice", and that definition includes "complicity" as "state of being an accomplice", and "complexity".
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Martin Ambuhl - 05 Jan 2004 12:13 GMT > I looked in my Chambers (1973), and it doesn't have "complicit". It has > "complice", and that definition includes "complicity" as "state of being > an accomplice", and "complexity". I had forgotten to check the dictionaries I no longer use because they have been replaced by newer editions. MW dates "complicit" to 1973. I am not much surprised that a 1973 dictionary doesn't have it. Your Chambers is two name changes and 30 years older than the one I use.
Frances Kemmish - 05 Jan 2004 12:29 GMT >> I looked in my Chambers (1973), and it doesn't have "complicit". It >> has "complice", and that definition includes "complicity" as "state of [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > am not much surprised that a 1973 dictionary doesn't have it. Your > Chambers is two name changes and 30 years older than the one I use. I have tried to make myself replace my Chambers with a newer edition, but I have some kind of mental block that prevents me from doing it. I'm sure we have a couple of Websters dictionaries around the house, but the Chambers is still the one I use.
It was given to me as a Christmas present in 1973, chosen because it was recommended for the Times crossword puzzle. I don't do the Times crossword puzzle any longer, and I'm sure that they have changed their dictionary of choice, but I still stick with my old dictionary anyway.
I think it's a sign of old age.
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Laura F Spira - 05 Jan 2004 12:43 GMT > I have tried to make myself replace my Chambers with a newer edition, > but I have some kind of mental block that prevents me from doing it. I'm [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > I think it's a sign of old age. My Chambers is of the same vintage, acquired for a similar reason (the Listener crossword). It is falling to pieces. I have looked at newer editions in bookshops but never found myself able to commit to buying one. I am also sentimentally attached to a 1956 COD and a 1944 Funk and Wagnall.
NSOED on disk and the OED online are very convenient but I do like to flip through the pages of a dictionary and enjoy the possibility of discovery of new words on the way to whatever I'm seeking. And they're not at all convenient for doing crosswords over breakfast.
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Adrian Bailey - 05 Jan 2004 18:16 GMT > > I looked in my Chambers (1973), and it doesn't have "complicit". It has > > "complice", and that definition includes "complicity" as "state of being [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > am not much surprised that a 1973 dictionary doesn't have it. Your > Chambers is two name changes and 30 years older than the one I use. "Complicit" isn't in the 1993 edition. Funny how this word has sneaked into the language without complaint.
Adrian
MC - 05 Jan 2004 18:18 GMT > > > I looked in my Chambers (1973), and it doesn't have "complicit". It has > > > "complice", and that definition includes "complicity" as "state of being [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > "Complicit" isn't in the 1993 edition. Funny how this word has sneaked into > the language without complaint. It's in the 1994 AHD.
Mike Lyle - 05 Jan 2004 16:02 GMT > >> Does anyone know of a word "complicit"? > > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > "complice", and that definition includes "complicity" as "state of being > an accomplice", and "complexity". It's interesting, isn't it? I wouldn't have hesitated to use it, and until this correspondence had no idea that it was a neologism: it seems so obvious that I'm impressed that Steve picked it up.
I suppose we'd previously have used a phrase such as "to be an accomplice to/in".
How long before French has *complicite* to go with *complicité*? Neither *complicite* nor English "complicit" is in my medium-sized 1996 Collins-Robert.
Mike.
Bob Cunningham - 05 Jan 2004 16:07 GMT [ . . . ]
> > It seems that there *is* a > > level at which "complicit" does not make the cut > > for the word list. Which English language > > dictionaries place "complicit" beyond the pale? The massive, revered _Oxford English Dictionary_, including the continually updated online version, is one.
However, it was probably a matter of not knowing it ws out there rather than knowing it was out there but refusing to let it in as "beyond the pale" would imply.
Martin Ambuhl - 05 Jan 2004 23:04 GMT > [ . . . ] > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > out there rather than knowing it was out there but refusing > to let it in as "beyond the pale" would imply. This is quite amazing, since the 1993 _New Shorter Oxford English Dictionary_, 1999 _Concise Oxford Dictionary_, and 2000 _New Oxford American Dictionary_ all have it. Are you *sure* that the editors of the online OED are that out of touch with the rest of the editors of OUP dictionaries?
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Bob Cunningham - 06 Jan 2004 01:53 GMT > > [ . . . ]
> >>>It seems that there *is* a > >>>level at which "complicit" does not make the cut > >>>for the word list. Which English language > >>>dictionaries place "complicit" beyond the pale?
> > The massive, revered _Oxford English Dictionary_, > > including the continually updated online version, is one.
> > However, it was probably a matter of not knowing it ws > > out there rather than knowing it was out there but refusing > > to let it in as "beyond the pale" would imply.
> This is quite amazing, since the 1993 _New Shorter Oxford English > Dictionary_, 1999 _Concise Oxford Dictionary_, and 2000 _New Oxford > American Dictionary_ all have it. Are you *sure* that the editors of the > online OED are that out of touch with the rest of the editors of OUP > dictionaries? Okay, I've looked again and yes (or should that be "no"?), "complicit" is not there.
In looking through the quotations to see if a "complicit" may have sneaked in unheralded at some point, I find it incidentally interesting to see "complexity" and "complicity" apparently equated: 1847 CRAIG, Complicity, complexity; state of being involved.
Earlier on, I had found it mildly interesting to see that "complicated" and "complicit" are from the same Latin word, "complicare".
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