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UK schools facing English language crisis

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Purl Gurl - 31 Dec 2007 04:27 GMT
"British schools are facing an 'English language' crisis as it
 was revealed that children studying English as their first
 language are in a minority now."

http://sify.com/news/international/fullstory.php?id=14576732

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So many are stumped by what slips right off the top of my mind
like a man's bad fitting hairpiece.

John Ritson - 31 Dec 2007 09:47 GMT
>"British schools are facing an 'English language' crisis as it
> was revealed that children studying English as their first
> language are in a minority now."
>
>http://sify.com/news/international/fullstory.php?id=14576732

A classic example of poor sub-editing.The body of the article says "The
figures show that in more than one in 20 of all schools in Britain,
children with English as their first language were in the minority"

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the Omrud - 31 Dec 2007 10:08 GMT
purlgurl@purlgurl.net had it ...

> "British schools are facing an 'English language' crisis as it
>   was revealed that children studying English as their first
>   language are in a minority now."
>
> http://sify.com/news/international/fullstory.php?id=14576732

You snip too much.  It was actually "revealed" that:

"... in 112 of the 3,343 secondary schools, children without English
as a first language make up 51 to 70 per cent of all pupils".

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Purl Gurl - 31 Dec 2007 17:10 GMT
>> "British schools are facing an 'English language' crisis as it
>>  was revealed that children studying English as their first
>>  language are in a minority now."

>> http://sify.com/news/international/fullstory.php?id=14576732

> You snip too much.  It was actually "revealed" that:

No, I provide just enough information to motivate
readers to research and read.

You are spoiled and expect all to be delivered
to you upon a Silver Platter.

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Purl Gurl
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The Grammer Genious - 31 Dec 2007 18:00 GMT
> No, I provide just enough information to motivate
> readers to research and read.

Did you know the word "gullible" is not in the dictionary?
Fred Springer - 31 Dec 2007 12:28 GMT
> "British schools are facing an 'English language' crisis as it
>  was revealed that children studying English as their first
>  language are in a minority now."
>
> http://sify.com/news/international/fullstory.php?id=14576732

Except that it doesn't really say that -- a good example of how false
information gets spread by sloppy reporting of research results in the
media.

What it actually says (if you take the trouble to analyse it) is that in
a sample of 3,343 British secondary schools, 112 of them (3%) have 51 to
70% of their pupils who do not have English as a their first language.

It is of course entirely possible to be completely fluent in a second
language even though the language of the home is (say) Gujarati or
Punjabi. My kids had quite a few Asian friends at school who spoke
perfect idiomatic English even though they used another language at home.

So some schools may indeed have a problem, but to call it a crisis and
imply that it is the case in all schools is a travesty of the facts. But
the media never let the truth get in the way of a good headline.
Peter Moylan - 31 Dec 2007 13:54 GMT
> It is of course entirely possible to be completely fluent in a second
>  language even though the language of the home is (say) Gujarati or
> Punjabi. My kids had quite a few Asian friends at school who spoke
> perfect idiomatic English even though they used another language at
> home.

Let's more forget the oft-repeated conclusion that pupils who are
brought up in a bilingual environment are more fluent - in *both*
languages - than those who have had a purely monolingual education.

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Alan Jones - 31 Dec 2007 14:55 GMT
>> "British schools are facing an 'English language' crisis as it
>>  was revealed that children studying English as their first
>>  language are in a minority now."
>>
>> http://sify.com/news/international/fullstory.php?id=14576732
[...]

> What it actually says (if you take the trouble to analyse it) is that in a
> sample of 3,343 British secondary schools, 112 of them (3%) have 51 to 70%
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Punjabi. My kids had quite a few Asian friends at school who spoke perfect
> idiomatic English even though they used another language at home.
[...]

Fred Springer is clearly correct. In the grammar school where I taught
before retirement, we had an application during the holidays from the father
of a 12-year-old boy of Iraqi-Finnish parentage, who had virtually no
English apart from "Hello". In mathematical and "spatial reasoning" tests he
scored almost full marks, but the headmaster and I couldn't interview him.
Fortunately his father, who had a fair command of English, told us that
young Sami-Ali (hi, Sami, if you're reading this in Australia!) spoke some
German, as did our Swedish librarian, and she reported that he was bright
and polite. So we took him on, Within two terms his English was pretty good,
and after another year indistinguishable from that of his class-mates
(except that he had a wider vocabulary than most). Later he gained top
passes in all his GCSEs, starred as the romantic lead in "She Stoops to
Conquer", and did dazzling well in A-Levels. He also became a much-respected
Head Boy before going to university, and is now a consultant surgeon.
English was his _fourth_ language.

Alan Jones
Athel Cornish-Bowden - 31 Dec 2007 18:31 GMT
>> "British schools are facing an 'English language' crisis as it
>>  was revealed that children studying English as their first
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> language even though the language of the home is (say) Gujarati or
> Punjabi...

My daughter, who was educated entirely in France, was completely fluent
in French for many years despite its being the third most likely
language for her to hear at home. I think that sort of thing is
extremely common among immigrants.

athel (BrE)
 
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