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DE781 - 09 Jan 2004 22:12 GMT
Hey AUE'ers!  What's this thing that's been talked about re: MJ, an
"arraignment"?  Will that be the trial?  Does anyone know what date MJ's
"arraingment" thing is?  And, if so, *please* explain the word to me.  What
will happen on the date and what will the media show?  How long will it take
place?

The reason for all the questions is this:

http://www.mtv.com/onair/schedule/mtv2/daily.jhtml?day=01%2F16%2F04

http://tv.yahoo.com/tvpdb?d=tvs&id=166032294&lineup=us_NJ29444d&channels=u
s_MTV2&.intl=us&startdate=1074211200

http://tv.yahoo.com/tvpdb?d=tvp&id=168577808&cf=0&lineup=us_NJ29444d&chann
els=us_MTV2&chspid=166032294&chname=MTV2%3a+Music+Television&title=Greates
t+Hits&progutn=1074265200&.intl=us

Please check the above three links.  The first is the MTV2 program schedule for
next Friday, the 16th.  Although MTV2 was created in 1996 to showcase freeform
music videos 24/7/365, of late the channel's quality has severly waned, as
they've opted to flood MTV2 with reruns of MTV1 documentaries, artist
biographies, countdowns, and episodes of The Osbournes, Cribs, Diary, etc.  So,
it is quite odd to see a block of "music videos" from 10 AM through 6 PM, smack
in the middle of a Friday afternoon, preempting MTV2's "normal" weekday
schedule.

The second link is from Yahoo TV.  Notice that the 10 AM slot is listed as
"Greatest Hits".  "Greatest Hits" is an MTV2 show, which is either an hour or
1/2 hour long, and showcases nothing but videos from a specific one artist for
the entire period.  Someone like Jay-Z, who has some 35-40-ish music videos,
only got an hour's "Greatest Hits" episode, so usually only the biggest of the
biggest of an artist's videos are played.  "Greatest Hits" replaced the far
superior show, "Artist Collection", which was usually *at least* an hour long
for each artist.  In the case of those with many videos, it was even longer.
For example, Janet Jackson, Bruce Springsteen, Ozzy Osbourne, Prince,
Run-D.M.C., & Bob Marley originally had 2-hour long "Artist Collections" (more
recently, Ozzy's & Springsteen's were shortened to an hour); the Beastie Boys
got 3 hours worth of videos; and Madonna & U2 both got 4 hours of video time
during their Artist Collections.

Since the cheapening of the channel, none of the above artists has gotten a
"Greatest Hits" episode, with the exception of the Beastie Boys; instead
"Greatest Hits" tends to focus on the more popular musicians of here and now,
such as Pink, Mya, the White Stripes, Jay-Z, Ludacris, TLC, No Doubt, P.O.D.,
Linkin Park, R. Kelly, Fabolous, The Red Hot Chili Peppers, Tupac Shakur, &
Aaliyah.  The Beastie Boys, oddly, have had a "Greatest Hits" episode, however
it was only 1/2 hour, rather than 3 hours like their original "Artist
Collection" was.

Given all this, if you check the third link, it indeed states that MJ's
"Greatest Hits" is 480 minutes (8 HOURS!! Twice as long as Madonna & U2's
previous collections).  However, it lists the original airdate as "11/21/03",
during which MJ's one hour "Artist Collection" was simply upgraded to an hour
long "Greatest Hits" (I'm almost positive).  Or, is it possible that Nov 21st
was the date when MJ was originally arrested?  

The reason I am asking this is because MTV2, being run by Viacom, is sometimes
know to purposely sabotage their own ratings, in order to drive viewers to one
of their "sister channels".  This was done for MTV1's 2003 VMA's, during which
time MTV2 aired a 10 or 12 hour block of "Subterranean", a generally late-night
show, which doesn't get huge ratings, that focuses exclusively on new and
underground music videos and bands.  My best guess is that their "Subterranean
Marathon" was hugely unsuccessful, from a business P.O.V., and forced the
majority of MTV2's teenage viewership over to MTV1 for the night.  So, is it
possible that MTV2 is trying to push its viewers over to, say, sister channel
CBS on next Friday?  Is an "arraignment" the type of thing CBS would cover?

Also, is there any way of confirming whether MJ's 11/21/03 "Greatest Hits" was,
indeed, 8 hours?  Any help would be appreciated, since a collection of MJ music
videos on one tape would make my day, and would entertain my friends
*shitloads* next semester.  I'm sure even you guys find MJ entertaining, don't
you?  How can you not love the guy/girl/thing?
Evan Kirshenbaum - 09 Jan 2004 22:44 GMT
> Hey AUE'ers!  What's this thing that's been talked about re: MJ, an
> "arraignment"?  Will that be the trial?  Does anyone know what date
> MJ's "arraingment" thing is?  And, if so, *please* explain the word
> to me.  What will happen on the date and what will the media show?
> How long will it take place?

I'm starting to seriously worry about not only your college, but also
your high school.  Did they teach you anything?

Okay.  An arraignment is when an indicted (or otherwise accused?)
person goes before a judge, is presented with the charges against
them, is asked "How do you plead?", and answers.  If they answer "not
guilty", the judge sets a date for a trial and may set bail or impose
other restrictions on the indicted person.

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R F - 09 Jan 2004 23:23 GMT
> > Hey AUE'ers!  What's this thing that's been talked about re: MJ, an
> > "arraignment"?  Will that be the trial?  Does anyone know what date
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>
> Okay.  An arraignment is when an indicted (or otherwise accused?)

Any accused person.  Geez, I thought you had the California statutes at
your desk!
Evan Kirshenbaum - 10 Jan 2004 00:29 GMT
> > Okay.  An arraignment is when an indicted (or otherwise accused?)
>
> Any accused person.  Geez, I thought you had the California statutes
> at your desk!

My uncertainty was whether all accused people in California were
technically "indicted" before their arraignment.

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R F - 10 Jan 2004 03:36 GMT
> > > Okay.  An arraignment is when an indicted (or otherwise accused?)
> >
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> My uncertainty was whether all accused people in California were
> technically "indicted" before their arraignment.

Even when there's been no indictment?  Kirsh, Kirsh, Kirsh!
Don Aitken - 09 Jan 2004 23:51 GMT
>> Hey AUE'ers!  What's this thing that's been talked about re: MJ, an
>> "arraignment"?  Will that be the trial?  Does anyone know what date
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>guilty", the judge sets a date for a trial and may set bail or impose
>other restrictions on the indicted person.

Known in England by the somewhat more explanatory name "Plea and
Directions Hearing".

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Arthur Jackson - 10 Jan 2004 00:21 GMT
> Known in England by the somewhat more explanatory name "Plea and
> Directions Hearing".

... and in Australia as a "Committal Hearing".
Don Aitken - 10 Jan 2004 09:27 GMT
>> Known in England by the somewhat more explanatory name "Plea and
>> Directions Hearing".
>
>... and in Australia as a "Committal Hearing".

Are you sure? Here the committal hearing is the magistrates court
proceeding at which the case is committed to the Crown Court for
trial. The PDH comes later.

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DE781 - 12 Jan 2004 19:11 GMT
Evan:

>I'm starting to seriously worry about not only your college, but also
>your high school.  Did they teach you anything?

I did take a course in law; but I don't remember much anymore.

>Okay.  An arraignment is when an indicted (or otherwise accused?)
>person goes before a judge, is presented with the charges against
>them, is asked "How do you plead?", and answers.  If they answer "not
>guilty", the judge sets a date for a trial and may set bail or impose
>other restrictions on the indicted person.

So, why's it such a big deal and *why* will it take like 8 hours?  Jackson's is
set for Friday, right?
Skitt - 12 Jan 2004 22:59 GMT
> Evan:

>> I'm starting to seriously worry about not only your college, but also
>> your high school.  Did they teach you anything?
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> So, why's it such a big deal and *why* will it take like 8 hours?
> Jackson's is set for Friday, right?

What's this "eight hours" bit?  It'll take five minutes, but what with the
lead-ins and court-steps fotos, with subsequent analysis of the situation by
talking heads, MTV2 has allotted a half-hour slot for the goings-on.
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DE781 - 13 Jan 2004 02:08 GMT
Skitt:

>> So, why's it such a big deal and *why* will it take like 8 hours?
>> Jackson's is set for Friday, right?
>
>What's this "eight hours" bit?  It'll take five minutes, but what with the
>lead-ins and court-steps fotos, with subsequent analysis of the situation by
>talking heads, MTV2 has allotted a half-hour slot for the goings-on.

Ahhh...so you've checked the MTV2 website, eh?  The 6:30-7 PM slot of "MJ's
Arraignment" has actually been added into the schedule since I first posted.
It's the 10 AM through 6 PM block of "music videos" that has me wondering
what's going on.  If you check MTV2's regular weekday schedule (for example,
tomorrow, Wed, Thurs, of this week, or some day next week), you'd notice that
they don't really have "music videos" on during the middle of the day anymore.
The 8 hour block on Friday is a mystery.  And other sites (like Yahoo TV) have
it listed as "Michael Jackson's Greatest Hits".  I don't see why MTV2 would
preempt its regular programming for 8 straight hours of MJ videos (does he even
have 8 hours' worth of videos?).  They haven't done anything this cool in
years, if this is indeed even what they're doing.  It could all be an error, as
they haven't advertized for it.
Skitt - 13 Jan 2004 02:32 GMT
> Skitt:

>>> So, why's it such a big deal and *why* will it take like 8 hours?
>>> Jackson's is set for Friday, right?
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> anything this cool in years, if this is indeed even what they're
> doing.  It could all be an error, as they haven't advertized for it.

I don't get MTV2, and I really couldn't care less.  Whatever happens will be
on the news.
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DE781 - 13 Jan 2004 20:18 GMT
Skitt:

>I don't get MTV2, and I really couldn't care less.  Whatever happens will be
>on the news.

Damn!  That's not very nice!  Well, at least I've proved my point that Google
(and websites, in general) are *flawed*.
Skitt - 13 Jan 2004 21:22 GMT
> Skitt:

>> I don't get MTV2, and I really couldn't care less.  Whatever happens
>> will be on the news.
>
> Damn!  That's not very nice!  Well, at least I've proved my point
> that Google (and websites, in general) are *flawed*.

Life is flawed.
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Jim Ward - 14 Jan 2004 06:09 GMT
> Life is flawed.

Lava is floed.
 
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