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In "The Seven Daughters of Eve", Bryan Sykes writes: "We could see that the machine (christened the 'Genesmaid', after the tea-making device people of a certain age regard as an essential bedroom accessory) ..." What is he referring to? My local coffeeshop has started selling a tea called "PG Tips". Is this a higher or lower class tea than Twinings? Are there class rankings among the teas? Where does Lapsang Souchong rate? (I also like Constant Comment) And is it "Twi-nings" or "Twin-ings"? [snip questions I don't know the answers to] Why, look! Tomcatpolka has a new name. It's not likely there's more than one, is it?  SignatureBest -- Donna Richoux > Why, look! Tomcatpolka has a new name. > It's not likely there's more than one, is it? We got a new newsreader at work - for some reason it likes my birth name. I only use tomcatpolka because Yahoo said jimward through jimward5 were taken (at that point I gave up). I can't imagine a 'Richoux' having that problem. :( > In "The Seven Daughters of Eve", Bryan Sykes writes: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > What is he referring to? A Teasmaid, manufactured by Goblin. You can see one here: teas2dine4.com/teasmaid.jpg An automatic tea-maker for those who like to start their day with a cup of tea and a boon in the 1960s to those whose houses had no central heating where getting up in the winter was chilly business: with a Teasmaid you had the luxury of drinking your tea in the warmth of your bed - the next best thing to someone else making it and bringing it to you. Far too sybaritic for my parents. Teasmaids have been unavailable for a while but I see that Lakeland (hi, Rudolf!) have revived thenm under the name Tea Express. > My local coffeeshop has started selling a tea called "PG Tips". Is this > a higher or lower class tea than Twinings? Are there class rankings among > the teas? Where does Lapsang Souchong rate? (I also like Constant Comment) > And is it "Twi-nings" or "Twin-ings"? PG Tips is the brand name of a blended tea, not a specific type of tea. Making a very broad generalisation, certainly reflected in the marketing of tea in the UK, blended teas are sold under brand names like PG Tips, Ty-Phoo, Yorkshire Tea and Tetley's, wheres Twinings sell a range of specific types of tea. Lapsang is a specific type of tea. I have no idea about Constant Comment - I assume this is a brand available in your area. The name is pronounced "Twy-nings". They have a web page: www.twinings.com Time for a cuppa, I think. SignatureLaura (emulate St. George for email) On 11 Jan 2004, Jim Ward wrote > In "The Seven Daughters of Eve", Bryan Sykes writes: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > What is he referring to? A "Teasmaid" -- a bedside clock, alarm and kettle contraption which you set so that your tea is made when you wake up. I tried using one once. The godawful noise it made boiling the water and gushing it into the teapot woke me up quicker than any alarm would have. (There was also no place in the bedroomm to store the milk, so I had to trek to the kitchen before drinking the tea -- which for me defeated the whole point of thing...) SignatureCheers, Harvey Ottawa/Toronto/Edmonton for 30 years; Southern England for the past 21 years. (for e-mail, change harvey to whhvs) harvey.news@ntlworld.com spake thus: > On 11 Jan 2004, Jim Ward wrote > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > had to trek to the kitchen before drinking the tea -- which for me > defeated the whole point of thing...) My Dad solved this by keeping the milk in a Thermos flask overnight. SignatureDavid ===== > harvey.news@ntlworld.com spake thus: > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > My Dad solved this by keeping the milk in a Thermos flask overnight. Oh, no! Now you've made me think of Does the Spearmint lose its flavor on the bedpost overnight? Never mind. It was a stream-of-consciousness thing. Hi, Joey! SignatureSkitt (in Hayward, California) www.geocities.com/opus731/ > > harvey.news@ntlworld.com spake thus: > > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Never mind. It was a stream-of-consciousness thing. Hi, Joey! Lonni Donegan (sp?) didn't actually mention the trade name, did he? And it was always "your". Hi, Skitt. But my name's not Joey. (You mentioned soc., that's all. And skiffle *was* fun.) Cheers, Sage >>> harvey.news@ntlworld.com spake thus: >>> [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > And it was always "your". Hi, Skitt. But my name's not Joey. (You > mentioned soc., that's all. And skiffle *was* fun.) I don't know about Lonnie Donnegan, but I found this at http://www.geocities.com/jdcjr/Songs/DoesYourS.html ========================= DOES THE SPEARMINT LOOSE ITS FLAVOR ON THE BEDPOST OVERNIGHT? ------------------------- Written by Billy Rose & Marty Bloom, Music by Ernest Breuer ------------------------- A7 D A7 D Oh me, oh my, oh you; I don't know what to do G D G D Hallelujah, the question is peculiar A7 D It's got me on the go A7 D I'd give a lot of dough E7 A If someone here would tell me is it yes or is it no A7 D A7 CHORUS: Does the spearmint lose its flavor on the bedpost over night? A7 D D7 If you chew it in the morning will it be too hard to bite G A7 D G Can't you see I'm going crazy, won't somebody put me right D E7 A7 D Does the spearmint lose its flavor on the bedpost over night? The nation rose as one, and sent its fav'rite son To the White House, this mighty country's lighthouse He saw the President; he said that "I've been sent To solve the burning question that involves the continent." CHORUS: Does the spearmint lose its flavor on the bedpost over night? If you pull it out like rubber will it snap right back and bite? If you paste it on the left side will you find it on the right? Does the spearmint lose its flavor on the bedpost over night? Here comes the blushing bride; the "boob" right by her side To the altar, as steady as Gibraltar The bridegroom has the ring; it's such a pretty thing He puts it on her finger and the choir begins to sing CHORUS: Does the spearmint lose its flavor on the bedpost over night? Would you use it on your collar when your button's not in sight? Put your hand beneath your seat and you will find it there all right Does the spearmint lose its flavor on the bedpost over night? ======================== There are several versions of the song, I'm sure. SignatureSkitt (in Hayward, California) www.geocities.com/opus731/ > I don't know about Lonnie Donnegan, but I found this ... Donegan. Sorry. SignatureSkitt (in Hayward, California) www.geocities.com/opus731/ >>> harvey.news@ntlworld.com spake thus: >>> [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > And it was always "your". Hi, Skitt. But my name's not Joey. (You > mentioned soc., that's all. And skiffle *was* fun.) Lonnie Donegan's "Does your chewing gum lose its flavour" was from the 50s. The original was from the 20s., I think. m. skitt99@comcast.net spake thus: > > harvey.news@ntlworld.com spake thus: > > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Oh, no! Now you've made me think of > Does the Spearmint lose its flavor on the bedpost overnight? Was that the US lyric? If so, it was re-recorded for the BBC-only UK radio audience, where advertising was verboten, as "Does your chewing gum lose its flavour ...". Just like the car in "Beep Beep" which turned from a Cadillac to a Limousine. SignatureDavid ===== > skitt99@comcast.net spake thus: >> Oh, no! Now you've made me think of >> Does the Spearmint lose its flavor on the bedpost overnight? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > gum lose its flavour ...". Just like the car in "Beep Beep" which > turned from a Cadillac to a Limousine. I wonder how they fixed the resulting surplus of syllables. Saying something like "chungum", I suppose. SignatureSkitt (in Hayward, California) www.geocities.com/opus731/ >> skitt99@comcast.net spake thus: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I wonder how they fixed the resulting surplus of syllables. Saying > something like "chungum", I suppose. Not necessary - just change the two quavers into a quaver triplet. -- John Dean Oxford De-frag to reply >>> skitt99@comcast.net spake thus: >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Not necessary - just change the two quavers into a quaver triplet. Two semiquavers and a quaver. m. > >>> skitt99@comcast.net spake thus: > >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > m. Over here they talk about whole notes and half notes. I still haven't worked them out after three years in the choir (just a thick tenor, you know.) On the other hand, nobody knows what crochets, minims, quavers etc. are. As for hemidemisemiquavers, well ... Cheers, Sage david56 filted: >skitt99@comcast.net spake thus: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >gum lose its flavour ...". Just like the car in "Beep Beep" which >turned from a Cadillac to a Limousine. Collecting all the information into one place for future Googlers, here's Lissauer's entries: Does Your Chewing Gum Lose Its Flavor on the Bedpost Overnight? See Does the Spearming Lose Its Flavor, etc. Does the Spearmint Lose Its Flavor on the Bedpost over Night w. Billy Rose and Marty Bloom, m. Ernest Breuer, 1924. Comedy song, introduced by Harry Richman and featured and recorded by Ernest Hare and Billy Jones (Cameo). Revived via a hit release by the British Lonnie Donegan and his Skiffle Group (Dot), 1961. The title was changed to "Does Your Chewing Gum Lose Its Flavor, etc.," to avoid conflicts with competing chewing gum sponsors on radio and T.V. <end hack> NB the further transformation of "over Night" in the original to the single word "Overnight" in the remake...also, Hare and Jones were one of the biggest comedy duos of the 1920s, best known as "The Happiness Boys", the originals upon whom the characters in "The Sunshine Boys" were based....r dadoctah@earthlink.net spake thus: > david56 filted: > > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > The title was changed to "Does Your Chewing Gum Lose Its Flavor, etc.," to avoid > conflicts with competing chewing gum sponsors on radio and T.V. Which raises the question - was "spearmint" a make of chewing gum or just a flavouring? Could only Wrigley use the term Spearmint? If not, why did they have to make the change? SignatureDavid ===== > Which raises the question - was "spearmint" a make of chewing gum or > just a flavouring? Could only Wrigley use the term Spearmint? If > not, why did they have to make the change? Spearmint is a kind of mint plant. M-W dates the name to 1562 and gives a picture. The TESS database, if I read it right, says that "Wrigley's Spearmint" gum has been around since 1893 but the company only filed for trademark protection in 1961. Several of their later filings say The word "Spearmint" is disclaimed apart from the mark as shown. Which is a common sort of wording when a generic term is included in the trademarked phrase. They're saying they know they don't own any rights to the single word "spearmint." This leaves it unclear as to why the songwriters thought they had to change the lyric (if indeed it had to with Wrigley at all). Probably the safe-than-sorry principle... SignatureBest -- Donna Richoux > dadoctah@earthlink.net spake thus: [...] > > The title was changed to "Does Your Chewing Gum Lose Its Flavor, etc.," to avoid > > conflicts with competing chewing gum sponsors on radio and T.V. > > Which raises the question - was "spearmint" a make of chewing gum or > just a flavouring? Could only Wrigley use the term Spearmint? If > not, why did they have to make the change? A foreshadow of some of the more annoying copyright and trademark wrangles of our own time. "Spearmint" is, of course, the name of a plant -- the mint usually found in British gardens -- so Wrigley pulled off a nifty one if they got the word accepted as private property. Peppermint, apple-mint and others are equally generic. Mike. On 11 Jan 2004, david56 wrote > skitt99@comcast.net spake thus: -snip- >> Oh, no! Now you've made me think of >> Does the Spearmint lose its flavor on the bedpost overnight? > Was that the US lyric? If so, it was re-recorded for the BBC-only > UK radio audience, where advertising was verboten, as "Does your > chewing gum lose its flavour ...". Just like the car in "Beep > Beep" which turned from a Cadillac to a Limousine. What did the UK version turn the "little Nash Rambler" into? SignatureCheers, Harvey Ottawa/Toronto/Edmonton for 30 years; Southern England for the past 21 years. (for e-mail, change harvey to whhvs) harvey.news@ntlworld.com spake thus: > On 11 Jan 2004, david56 wrote > > skitt99@comcast.net spake thus: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > What did the UK version turn the "little Nash Rambler" into? Little bubble car. That made some sense, as we were all familiar with bubble cars but not with Nash Ramblers. Here are some Bubble Cars: http://www.andmas.co.uk/travel_new/bubble/bubble.htm SignatureDavid ===== On 12 Jan 2004, david56 wrote > harvey.news@ntlworld.com spake thus: >> On 11 Jan 2004, david56 wrote >> -snip- >>> Was that the US lyric? If so, it was re-recorded for the BBC-only >>> UK radio audience, where advertising was verboten, as "Does your >>> chewing gum lose its flavour ...". Just like the car in "Beep >>> Beep" which turned from a Cadillac to a Limousine. >> What did the UK version turn the "little Nash Rambler" into? > Little bubble car. That made some sense, as we were all familiar > with bubble cars but not with Nash Ramblers. Oh -- thanks. (I knew what they were: indeed, some of those little Fokkers were Messerschmits, y'know...) SignatureCheers, Harvey Ottawa/Toronto/Edmonton for 30 years; Southern England for the past 21 years. (for e-mail, change harvey to whhvs) >> harvey.news@ntlworld.com spake thus: >>> -snip- > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > (I knew what they were: indeed, some of those little Fokkers were > Messerschmits, y'know...) You didn't do that to a T. SignatureSkitt (in SF Bay Area) ... and that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana-shaped. -- Sir Bedevere On 13 Jan 2004, Skitt wrote >>>> -snip- >> (I knew what they were: indeed, some of those little Fokkers >> were Messerschmits, y'know...) > > You didn't do that to a T. I thought of putting a (sp?) after it, but knew I could trust that somebody would correct me on it... (I've always liked the original joke.) SignatureCheers, Harvey Ottawa/Toronto/Edmonton for 30 years; Southern England for the past 21 years. (for e-mail, change harvey to whhvs) > On 13 Jan 2004, Skitt wrote > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > (I've always liked the original joke.) I did, too, especially when it was told by my son's godfather who was in the Free Polish Air Force flying with the RAF during WWII. But, Gawd save us, I'm watching the telly over 'ere in Canada last week but it's the BBC Canada channel and there's this bloke Joe? John? Davidson? some sort of a comedian chappie (wears a yellow jacket) telling dirty stories at the Cambridge Theaytre in London. And he told that story, too. And it's a show in 2000 or so. And the audience didn't know when or whether to laugh when he stopped talking. Cheers, Sage On 13 Jan 2004, sage wrote >> On 13 Jan 2004, Skitt wrote >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > John? Davidson? some sort of a comedian chappie (wears a yellow > jacket) telling dirty stories at the Cambridge Theaytre in London. Jim Davidson -- trades in smut, racism and otherwise deeply unfunny stuff. (He's pretty well stopped getting airtime over here.) > And he told that story, too. And it's a show in 2000 or so. And > the audience didn't know when or whether to laugh when he stopped > talking. Doesn't surprise me -- all the material I've ever heard that's come from him is similarly bewhiskered. SignatureCheers, Harvey Ottawa/Toronto/Edmonton for 30 years; Southern England for the past 21 years. (for e-mail, change harvey to whhvs) >> On 13 Jan 2004, Skitt wrote >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >sort of a comedian chappie (wears a yellow jacket) telling dirty stories at >the Cambridge Theaytre in London. Jim. He wears that yellow jacket because he's a Water Rat. They do stuff like that. >And he told that story, too. And it's a show in 2000 or so. And the audience >didn't know when or whether to laugh when he stopped talking. It's the way he tells 'em. Apparently. -- Ross Howard |
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