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Discussion Groups / English Usage / January 2004MY AUE INVESTIGATION HAS BEGUN: EVAN'S FIRST POST:
I finally figured out how to get all the AUE posts from 1991 through 1994 that I was missing the last time I'd Googled it! It really does look like 1991 is the beginning of the AUE. Here's the only real original left's first AUE post, 13 years ago: "One sheriff, two sherifim. (Shelly Berman, right?) More recently, we have the "false German/Yiddish" plurals "Vaxen" and "Macintoshen". The latter never really caught on, but was common at Stanford right after the computer was released, the former was (is?) standard usage. I assume that they were by analogy to "oxen" and "homentashen" respectively. (And if you don't know what homentashen are, boy, did you have a deprived childhood!) And then there's "This is a moose. There were three of them...." :-)" As usual, it's full of things I don't understand. Am I going to really have to Google "Shelly Berman", "Vaxen", "Macintoshian", AND "homentashen" from this post alone? I'm guessing these are real 90's-isms? But, my point is, if I have four things that must be Googled to be understood in this *one* post, how am I ever going to be able to Google *everything* from *every* post that needs Googling to be understood? BTW, I notice Evan used a smiley face back then. Given that he's the only original left, and he used a smiley face in his first post, that means that the smiley face is of special significance for the AUE. It is your mascot. CJ was lambasted for his use of smileys, but it's you people who should be criticized for *not* using them, evidentally, for you're the ones going against the original laws of the AUE. So, from here forth, everyone can and must use smileys! Like this! :) Dammit! It's NOT the first AUE post! It contains the quote: "userisra@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca (Mark Israel) writes: > Hear, hear! False Latin plurals like "octopi", "ignorami", and >"diplomae" really grate on me." WHERE did that quote of Mark Israel's some from? Where's its post?! HELP! GOOGLE MAY 13, 1991 FOR THE AUE. What do you find? 23 threads are listed. And that's all that can be seen. But, how come it says "threads 1-23 of 106". Where are the rest of the 106 and how come I can't see them? I TOLD YOU ALL THAT GOOGLE ISN'T THOROUGH! > GOOGLE MAY 13, 1991 FOR THE AUE. > > What do you find? 23 threads are listed. And that's all that can be > seen. But, how come it says "threads 1-23 of 106". Where are the rest of > the 106 and how come I can't see them? I TOLD YOU ALL THAT GOOGLE ISN'T > THOROUGH! I applaud your efforts to educate yourself with Google Advanced Group Search (I assume that is where you are), but I hope you will calm down a little. You have very high expectations, you seem to expect to understand everything instantly or else you get upset. One, we have noticed errors in Googles estimates when it says "about 331" and whatever. It uses some formulas to estimate how many posts fit the description, and sometimes its estimation formulas are wrong. Don't worry about it. You get as many posts as it actually has in its database. It was wrong about the 106, not about the 23. Two, as people told you, a.u.e goes further back in years than the Google archives. The nice people at Google decided to put as many posts as they could in their archive, but for whatever reason, they couldn't get them all. The others are probably gone forever (which doesn't trouble me a bit). Three, when you're reading anything (a post, a book, anything) you have to learn to sort of glumph past unfamiliar words. Just mark them mentally as "these must be old show-business performers" or "these look like some Yiddish words" and don't let them trouble you. Maybe someday you'll come across them again. Keep looking to make sure you understand the *main* point of what is being said -- if it interests you at all. (If it doesn't interest you at all, skip it.) Don't Sweat the Small Stuff. Four, what was the point, exactly, of this historical excursion? Do you think you can understand what is going on at a.u.e now by looking at what went on ten years ago? You're entitled to such a historical quest, but I don't see why old posts, overall, are any more interesting than current ones. I wish you would please stop switching to all caps. It makes me wince. Do you shout in a library?  SignatureBest wishes -- Donna Richoux Donna: >I applaud your efforts to educate yourself with Google Advanced Group >Search Thanks. >but I hope you will calm down a >little. Sorry. I will. This is just all so new and exciting to me. >It was wrong about the 106, not about the 23. OK; good to know. Thank you. >Two, as people told you, a.u.e goes further back in years than the >Google archives. This, I did not know. It seems odd that Google would archive some posts from 1981, in other groups, but only archive the AUE back to the arbitrary date of May 13, 1991. Does this mean that *every* AUE post from right now back to May 13, 1991 is archived in Google, or do they pick and choose only certain ones? The latter doesn't seem very fair. >The others are probably gone forever (which doesn't >trouble me a bit). Also, is it not possible that Google is *constantly* working backwards to archive older and older posts? I'm nearly positive that when I looked for the AUE's original post a couple weeks ago, Google went no further back than some arbitrary '95 date. It seems as if the '91-'94 period was just added in very recently. >Three, when you're reading anything (a post, a book, anything) you have >to learn to sort of glumph past unfamiliar words. Just mark them >mentally as "these must be old show-business performers" or "these look >like some Yiddish words" Well, I'd like to be able to understand those obscure references myself. There's so much out there to learn, and the AUE seems to have more info than a *LOT* of places, online or offline. As long as I don't give myself a stroke or an aneurysm trying, I'm game to try to absorb as much info as possible. >Four, what was the point, exactly, of this historical excursion? Do you >think you can understand what is going on at a.u.e now by looking at >what went on ten years ago? Sort of. Yes. I'd like to get an idea of the histories of Muhari, DHS, Bun Mui, CJ and his alleged "aliases", and even to go back and read mine and Leah's original posts and see if some of the confusing stuff makes any better sense to me now. When I did it briefly a couple of weeks ago, I noticed that Leah and I both made some *ridiculous* errors. Rey made a cheesy joke about Fontana being "in earnest". I don't think I'd ever heard the expression "*in* earnest" back then, so that confused me. Then, Rey turned it into a gay anal sex pun, which caused me and Leah to believe that Fontana is gay and does anal sex. Looking back on those few posts alone, I realized that I *have* become more knowledgable within the past 2.5 years--and Google has the archived proof of it--whether it's the AUE's doing, my school's doing, something else, or a combination of things. >You're entitled to such a historical quest, >but I don't see why old posts, overall, are any more interesting than >current ones. Well, the board seemed a *lot* more on-topic back then. There was humor, but it generally wasn't inside-joke type humor. And, IMO, it was more clever than some of the stuff that passes for humor here these days. Another thing that interests me about the AUE's history is everybody's first post. People seemed appalled at how Leah and I (and, later, CJ) first entered the AUE. I want to see how others did it. And, I want to know the AUE's history so that I know, for example, when Ragazzi or DHS or Mimi is brought up, who they are, why they're loved/hated, what kind of people they are, and why the AUE treats them like they do and if they deserve such treatment. I also feel there is a lot of cultural, political, technological, and general, overall history in this place. If it went back to 1981 or 1982, it would essentially be like a chronicling of major world events taking place during my entire life, since there is usually a lot of off-topic posting here and a lot of English-related posting that compares modern usage and slang to current events and whatnot. I believe there is a hell of a lot of information, about *everything*, archived in the AUE's history, and learning about important Usenet people and cultural events and even the people who are here now's history with the AUE could be an invaluable asset to me and my future with Usenet groups. >I wish you would please stop switching to all caps. It makes me wince. Sorry. I use it as emphasis. I already noticed, in my examination of the AUE's history, that people were using my style of emphasis back in 1991. I've only seen it in a post or two thus far, so I can't comment on how widespread it was back then just yet. I'll let you know when it seems to have peaked, since evidentally people here eventually developed an intolerance for it, and began using "*" instead. Maybe the point at which "*" begins to replace CAPS will signify the time when newsreaders became popular and/or began to utilize the "*" = bold font effects. >Do you shout in a library? In high school I did, because the librarian would always tell everyone to shut up, even if we were speaking in a whisper; yet, she was the loudest thing in the entire building. So, yes, I shouted to purposely annoy her. I was kicked out two or three times, though. > In high school I did, because the librarian would always tell everyone to shut > up, even if we were speaking in a whisper; yet, she was the loudest thing in > the entire building. So, yes, I shouted to purposely annoy her. I was kicked > out two or three times, though. If you want to really annoy people, read at a football game. Ward: >If you want to really annoy people, read at a football game. I don't get it. DE781 filted: >Ward: > >>If you want to really annoy people, read at a football game. > >I don't get it. And if you want to annoy aue, don't get it....r R: >>>If you want to really annoy people, read at a football game. >> >>I don't get it. > >And if you want to annoy aue, don't get it....r I'm sorry. I'm not not getting things just to be annoying. You people practically speak a foreign language. >>If you want to really annoy people, read at a football game. > I don't get it. For some reason not joining the drunken mob shouting at the opposing team, really chaps the mob-ish hide. The deuce you say! Ward: >>>If you want to really annoy people, read at a football game. > >> I don't get it. > >For some reason not joining the drunken mob shouting at the opposing team, >really chaps the mob-ish hide. The deuce you say! *That's* what you meant? Peope would actually get *annoyed* at someone reading at a football game just because they weren't totally watching the game and being all loud & obxnoxious 24/7? Oh, wait. You're British, so you mean a *British* football game? For some reason, here in America, we can this asinine "sport" that has nothing to do with "feet" OR "balls" "football". You Euros are lucky not to have it. >Ward: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Oh, wait. You're British, so you mean a *British* football game? ... No. Any ball game, Joe. Reading at a ball game is boorish, and boors annoy people -- whether they're playing ball in a library or reading at a ball game. SignatureMike Bandy A really boring guy Bandy: >>Oh, wait. You're British, so you mean a *British* football game? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >annoy people -- whether they're playing ball in a library or reading >at a ball game. Wait. I don't get it. I had to look up "boorish"/"boor". AOL's dict says it means something like "insensitive to others' feelings". Why should reading at a ball game or playing ball in a library be insensitive to others' feelings? *Why* should people care what you do, as long as it's not affecting them? DE781 filted: >Bandy: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >a ball game or playing ball in a library be insensitive to others' feelings? >*Why* should people care what you do, as long as it's not affecting them? They're footy fanciers...it's insensitive in their presence to read because it upsets them that they can't do the same....r > > In high school I did, because the librarian would always tell everyone to shut > > up, even if we were speaking in a whisper; yet, she was the loudest thing in > > the entire building. So, yes, I shouted to purposely annoy her. I was kicked > > out two or three times, though. > > If you want to really annoy people, read at a football game. I routinely take a book when I go to baseball games. No one has ever commented on it. Of course I put it down once the game actually starts, since I need to hold my pencil and scorebook and pay attention to the game. Now *that* is sometimes regarded as eccentric. Richard R. Hershberger > I routinely take a book when I go to baseball games. No one has ever > commented on it. Of course I put it down once the game actually > starts, since I need to hold my pencil and scorebook and pay attention > to the game. Now *that* is sometimes regarded as eccentric. I haven't seen someone filling out a baseball scorecard in years! > > I routinely take a book when I go to baseball games. No one has ever > > commented on it. Of course I put it down once the game actually > > starts, since I need to hold my pencil and scorebook and pay attention > > to the game. Now *that* is sometimes regarded as eccentric. > > I haven't seen someone filling out a baseball scorecard in years! I go to many more minor league games than major. There are usually a few of us scattered about, but you have to look for us. I suspect that it is actually harder to find us at major league games. Richard R. Hershberger > > I routinely take a book when I go to baseball games. No one has ever > > commented on it. Of course I put it down once the game actually > > starts, since I need to hold my pencil and scorebook and pay attention > > to the game. Now *that* is sometimes regarded as eccentric. > > I haven't seen someone filling out a baseball scorecard in years! I see many of them at every game I go to, and not just among my friends. I filled out a scorecard when I went to a game in Havana, and at least five separate people wanted to see what I was doing -- they seemed to think it was odd. Or maybe they thought I was a scout. SignatureSML ess el five six zero at columbia dot edu <http://pirate-women.com> Richard: >I routinely take a book when I go to baseball games. No one has ever >commented on it. Right! Who the f.ck cares? I wouldn't do that at a *football* game because there's action and drama 24/7. But at a baseball game or a nameless American sport that occupies the name of the sport that's REALLY "football" game, yes, it would not surprise me to see someone reading. There's so little action--why not kill 2 birds with one stone? Only someone asininine would be annoyed by a reader! DOY! > Right! Who the f.ck cares? I wouldn't do that at a *football* game because > there's action and drama 24/7. I thought it was bad enough that an hour of (US) football takes more than 3 hours, a fact that television programmers can't understand, but the idea that a football game might be "24/7" is truly sick-making. SignatureMartin Ambuhl Martin: >but the idea >that a football game might be "24/7" is truly sick-making. Talk about drama! >> Right! Who the f.ck cares? I wouldn't do that at a *football* game because >> there's action and drama 24/7. > >I thought it was bad enough that an hour of (US) football takes more than 3 >hours, a fact that television programmers can't understand The advertisements are a good thing: they allow one time to think about, and perhaps discuss, what happened in the last play and what is the best strategy for the next one. Football, and I don't mean soccer, is an invention of the gods; there will never be a better game. Many Europeans have some difficulty understanding this. SignatureCharles Riggs Email address: chriggs¦at¦eircom¦dot¦net > Right! Who the f.ck cares? I wouldn't do that at a *football* game because > there's action and drama 24/7. 24/7? I don't think I could watch it that long. SignatureRob Bannister > >but I hope you will calm down a > >little. > > Sorry. I will. This is just all so new and exciting to me. Ignore her. I am fascinated with your project and hope that you keep us fully informed. If I can be of any assistance, just SHOUT :) Kind regards, GJV Vass: >Ignore her. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Kind regards, >GJV I will keep everyone up-to-date with any developments and any new information or theories I can provide about any of the various "trolls" you've encountered over the years. > > GOOGLE MAY 13, 1991 FOR THE AUE. > > > > What do you find? 23 threads are listed. And that's all that can be > > seen. But, how come it says "threads 1-23 of 106". Where are the rest of > > the 106 and how come I can't see them? I TOLD YOU ALL THAT GOOGLE ISN'T > > THOROUGH! > I wish you would please stop switching to all caps. It makes me wince. > Do you shout in a library? I would add to that that a little emphasis goes a long way. Its impact is inversely proportional to its frequency. (I am reminded of a former boss who never could understand that assigning the highest priority to all tasks is logically equivalent to assigning them all the lowest.) Richard R. Hershberger > GOOGLE MAY 13, 1991 FOR THE AUE. > > What do you find? 23 threads are listed. And that's all that can > be seen. But, how come it says "threads 1-23 of 106". Where are > the rest of the 106 and how come I can't see them? I TOLD YOU ALL > THAT GOOGLE ISN'T THOROUGH! The only error is in the word "threads". There were 106 *articles* posted to AUE on 5/13/91, as you'll find if you do a search for a stopword (such as "the") on that date. You'll also find that the article you quoted as the first http://tinyurl.com/2j5pl was actually about the fifteenth. It was posted at 10:28 GMT. The actual first article appears to have been http://tinyurl.com/26dh2 posted at 2:02 GMT. But there are apparently some that didn't get archived, as by 2:25 GMT there was a reply to a reply to an article with subject "New Group?", which apparently contained Wouldn't it be better to just alias this to alt.flame and get it over with? I think you'd be lucky to find three people in the same room that could agree on English usage, and you want to ask the entire Usenet for an opinion... SignatureEvan Kirshenbaum +------------------------------------ HP Laboratories |Now and then an innocent man is sent 1501 Page Mill Road, 1U, MS 1141 |to the legislature. Palo Alto, CA 94304 | Kim Hubbard kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com (650)857-7572 http://www.kirshenbaum.net/ Evan: > Wouldn't it be better to just alias this to alt.flame and get it > over with? I think you'd be lucky to find three people in the same > room that could agree on English usage, and you want to ask the > entire Usenet for an opinion... That person was a psychic, I think! >GOOGLE MAY 13, 1991 FOR THE AUE. >What do you find? 23 threads are listed. And that's all that can be seen. >But, how come it says "threads 1-23 of 106". Where are the rest of the 106 and >how come I can't see them? I TOLD YOU ALL THAT GOOGLE ISN'T THOROUGH! a) Google is much younger than the newsgroups. It inherited the older Dejanews archives. b) The Dejanews archives did not go back to the beginning of newsgroups. c) There's no way general of recovering earlier unarchived material. d) Dejanews permitted folk both to avoid postings from being archived, and to remove already archived posts. Google has continued that tradition. e) Google could have told you all this. -- Chris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk +44 (0)131 651 3445 DoD #205 IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/] LOL! The very first AUE post was by a Finlandian woman! She ended her post with "Peace!". I guess Finland was ghetto *far* before America, eh? Also from the original AUE post. Isn't *this* ironic? Don't ya think: "Any information about this word would be very much appreciated; and prey do not flame me in alt.usage.english, after all I have not taken English in school with the same depth that you do in English-speaking countries... Kind and civilized corrections are most welcome, though." "Information"? "Not flaming"? "Kind"? "Civilized"? "Corrections"? These are all words foreign to the AUE. She must have put a voodoo hex on this place. Either that, or May 13, '91 was opposite day! From the AUE's first day: ">>"All tolled" or "all told"? >Question: "How many people were at your hose last night?" > Answer: "Fifty, all told." Shouldn't this be in alt.sex.orgy ?" I don't get that already. Now, I'm only posting this because this is clearly *not* something that can be Googled. What does *anything* in the above post have to do with sex? Maybe this is a reference too 90's for me? Comments...? > From the AUE's first day: > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Comments...? I think "hose" (probably a typo for "house") might have spurred the alt.sex.orgy reference. SignatureMaria Conlon Please send any email to the Hot Mail address. Maria: >I think "hose" (probably a typo for "house") might have spurred the >alt.sex.orgy reference. Thanks. I thought that might have been it. But, what does "hose" have to do with sex? Panty hose? >Maria: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Thanks. I thought that might have been it. But, what does "hose" have to do >with sex? Panty hose? You've never hosed a girl? Cooper: >>Thanks. I thought that might have been it. But, what does "hose" have to >do >>with sex? Panty hose? > >You've never hosed a girl? Wet a girl who's wearing a flimsy white top? Is that what you mean--hosed down? > >Maria: > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > You've never hosed a girl? Well, it's obvious, isn't it? His brain has been hosed. DE781 filted: >As usual, it's full of things I don't understand. Am I going to really have to >Google "Shelly Berman", "Vaxen", "Macintoshian", AND "homentashen" from this >post alone? I'm guessing these are real 90's-isms? But, my point is, if I >have four things that must be Googled to be understood in this *one* post, how >am I ever going to be able to Google *everything* from *every* post that needs >Googling to be understood? It's called "cultural literacy"...you may Google that if you choose; bei mir mox nix.... "Shelley Berman", by the way (note spelling), is a 60's-ism....r Draney: >It's called "cultural literacy"...you may Google that if you choose; bei mir >mox >nix.... I don't get it. >"Shelley Berman", by the way (note spelling), is a 60's-ism....r OK, thanks. > I finally figured out how to get all the AUE posts from 1991 through > 1994 that I was missing the last time I'd Googled it! It really > does look like 1991 is the beginning of the AUE. Here's the only > real original left's I object to being called a "left"! > first AUE post, 13 years ago: Nope. It's http://tinyurl.com/2h7fv <URL:http://groups.google.com/groups?as_umsgid=EVAN.91Jun10110900 @hplerk.hpl.hp.com> from June 10, 1991. The one you quote wasn't until August 19, 1991. > "One sheriff, two sherifim. (Shelly Berman, right?) > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > As usual, it's full of things I don't understand. Am I going to > really have to Google "Shelly Berman", "Vaxen", "Macintoshian", That's "Macintoshen". > AND "homentashen" from this post alone? I'm guessing these are real > 90's-isms? Not at all. Shelley Berman (note spelling. I got it wrong in the article--there was no place on-line to check in those days) was comedian who was popular in the late '50s and early '60s. Most of us of my generation who knew him did so from albums our parents had. (They're like CDs, but bigger and they scratch easier.) He has a web site at http://www.shelleyberman.com/ Vaxen were first marketed in the 1977, and you can find the word used in the Google archives "all the way back" (May 20, 1981). Macintoshen showed up in 1984, but the word was less often used, and doesn't show up on Usenet until late 1989. Probably because more people were familiar with oxen than homentashen. In either case, consider ox : oxen :: ? : vaxen etc. and you should be able to figure out what they were. Or maybe not. A Vax was like a computer but was smaller (although you still needed a machine room) and cheap enough (under $100,000 if I recall correctly) that a department could afford one, although they were sufficiently underpowered that you really didn't want more than about a dozen people working on it at a time. When you hear of a computer rated in MIPS, one MIP[1] is the processing power of a Vax 11/780, which was pretty much top-of-the-line when I entered Stanford. I'd guess that a modern PC would be something like 4,000 MIPS[3]. Homentashen are a bit more obscure, and the spelling varies. Some people spell it with an "a" rather than an "o", and some use "sch" rather than "sh". MWCD10 does both, and lists it under "hamentasch". [1] Yes, I know. "MIPS" stands for "Millions of Instructions Per Second"[2], but it was still "one MIP". [2] Except when it stands for "Meaningless Indication of Processor Speed". [3] Poking around, I found indication that a P6 was rated at about 100 MIPS in 1995. SignatureEvan Kirshenbaum +------------------------------------ HP Laboratories |Giving money and power to government 1501 Page Mill Road, 1U, MS 1141 |is like giving whiskey and car keys Palo Alto, CA 94304 |to teenage boys. | P.J. O'Rourke kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com (650)857-7572 http://www.kirshenbaum.net/ > Nope. It's > > http://tinyurl.com/2h7fv > <URL:http://groups.google.com/groups?as_umsgid=EVAN.91Jun10110900 > @hplerk.hpl.hp.com> That's Message 8 in the thread. Shouldn't Message 1 be the first? SignatureDena Jo Delete "delete.this.for.email" for email. > Evan Kirshenbaum posted thus: >> Nope. It's >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > That's Message 8 in the thread. Shouldn't Message 1 be the first? It was, by two days. SignatureSkitt (in Hayward, California) www.geocities.com/opus731/ Skitt: >> That's Message 8 in the thread. Shouldn't Message 1 be the first? > >It was, by two days. Isn't this all so exciting, everyone?! Evan should be declared the first mayor of the AUE, for his longevity here! > Isn't this all so exciting, everyone?! Evan should be declared the first > mayor of the AUE, for his longevity here! How do we know Evan isn't a cyberintelligent life form, escaped from Nicholas Negroponte Media Lab? S1MT00 (weird name): >How do we know Evan isn't a cyberintelligent life form, escaped from >Nicholas Negroponte Media Lab? I guess we don't. Do we? > I guess we don't. Do we? Good afternoon, gentlemen. I am a HAL 9000 computer. I became operational at the H.A.L. plant in Urbana, Illinois on the 12th of January 1992. My instructor was Mr. Langley, and he taught me to sing a song. If you'd like to hear it I can sing it for you. Ward/a robot???: >> I guess we don't. Do we? > >Good afternoon, gentlemen. I am a HAL 9000 computer. I became operational >at the H.A.L. plant in Urbana, Illinois on the 12th of January 1992. My >instructor was Mr. Langley, and he taught me to sing a song. If you'd like >to hear it I can sing it for you. Wait...so you really *aren't* a human being? I'm so confused. How do you work? > > I guess we don't. Do we? > > Good afternoon, gentlemen. I am a HAL 9000 computer. I became operational > at the H.A.L. plant in Urbana, Illinois on the 12th of January 1992. My > instructor was Mr. Langley, and he taught me to sing a song. If you'd like > to hear it I can sing it for you. Good God, I'll bet I was there then, and I totally missed it! School days, school days, good old Golden Rule days... SignatureJerry Friedman > > Isn't this all so exciting, everyone?! Evan should be declared > > the first mayor of the AUE, for his longevity here! > > How do we know Evan isn't a cyberintelligent life form, escaped from > Nicholas Negroponte Media Lab? My first archived post is February, 1985. The Media Lab opened later that year. So I'm probably not. SignatureEvan Kirshenbaum +------------------------------------ HP Laboratories |Voting in the House of 1501 Page Mill Road, 1U, MS 1141 |Representatives is done by means of a Palo Alto, CA 94304 |little plastic card with a magnetic |strip on the back--like a VISA card, kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com |but with no, that is, absolutely (650)857-7572 |*no*, spending limit. | P.J. O'Rourke http://www.kirshenbaum.net/ > > > Isn't this all so exciting, everyone?! Evan should be declared > > > the first mayor of the AUE, for his longevity here! [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > My first archived post is February, 1985. The Media Lab opened later > that year. So I'm probably not. Nice try, robo-poster. But we know that you went back into the archives when first you came online and planted all those "Evan Kirshenbaum" posts (just the way God planted all those fossils when he created the world in 4004 B.C.). You couldn't even spell "Kirschenbaum" back then, so you had to stick with the misspelling. And now you want us to think you're made of protoplasm? Fat chance! Next week -- How Mimi Khan originated as a typographical error in an IBM card reader. SignatureBob Lieblich Fully digital > > > > Isn't this all so exciting, everyone?! Evan should be declared > > > > the first mayor of the AUE, for his longevity here! [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Next week -- How Mimi Khan originated as a typographical error in an > IBM card reader. Now I wonder, (as I have oft ere now) does Evan's surname mean cherry tree, or something other? > Now I wonder, (as I have oft ere now) does Evan's surname mean > cherry tree, or something other? Yup. A German name, given to Yiddish speakers, and transliterated into English when they came to America from Poland. I believe I'm related to some American "Kirschenbaum"s as well, but I've never actually found the connection. My great grandfather on that line immigrated in 1912. He came over to make his fortune, but had bad luck and had decided to give up and go back home, but by then war had broken out and he couldn't get a ship back. By the time the war ended, he had become reasonably successful and sent for his family. On Rosh Hashanah, 1939, apparently, some 270 Jews in their home town of Dobrzyn were executed, and very few others survived the war. I just found some information on the town from a survivor at http://internex.net.au/~fdobia/ Among the documents he has are lists of people executed. Among those listed are Chaskiel Kirszenbaum, and Luzer Kirszbaum, his wife, and two sons. SignatureEvan Kirshenbaum +------------------------------------ HP Laboratories |Marge: You liked Rashomon. 1501 Page Mill Road, 1U, MS 1141 |Homer: That's not how *I* remember Palo Alto, CA 94304 | it. kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com (650)857-7572 http://www.kirshenbaum.net/ Liebs: >Nice try, robo-poster. But we know that you went back into the >archives when first you came online and planted all those "Evan >Kirshenbaum" posts (just the way God planted all those fossils when >he created the world in 4004 B.C.). You couldn't even spell >"Kirschenbaum" back then, so you had to stick with the misspelling. >And now you want us to think you're made of protoplasm? Fat chance! Is this all really true? I know they have some pretty advanced robots, but I didn't realize that some of them could really converse about certain topics that it "reads" other people talking about. Wait...there *are* mainly other people here, right? Only a few of the posters are robots? Or am I mistaken? >Next week -- How Mimi Khan originated as a typographical error in an >IBM card reader. Wait! What did Mimi Khan originate as? I don't get it. Is Mimi not really a real person? I thought it was your brother playing a joke. That's where the evidence points. Evan: >HP Laboratories |Giving money and power to government > 1501 Page Mill Road, 1U, MS 1141 |is like giving whiskey and car keys > Palo Alto, CA 94304 |to teenage boys. > | P.J. O'Rourke Is that P.J. O'Rourke quote from Eat The Rich? That guy is nutty! > Evan: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Is that P.J. O'Rourke quote from Eat The Rich? That guy is nutty! No, that one's from _Parliament of Whores_. SignatureEvan Kirshenbaum +------------------------------------ HP Laboratories |To express oneself 1501 Page Mill Road, 1U, MS 1141 |In seventeen syllables Palo Alto, CA 94304 |Is very diffic | Tony Finch kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com (650)857-7572 http://www.kirshenbaum.net/ |
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