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Jouni Filip Maho - 17 Jan 2004 15:44 GMT

Maybe you all know about this already, but I just found an on-line
version/transcription of the "1811 Dictinary of the Vulgar Tongue" at:

http://www.harvestfields.netfirms.com/etexts/31/00.htm

That site seems to contain quite a lot of "ebooks and etexts", of
various sorts and qualities.

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Reinhold (Rey) Aman - 17 Jan 2004 15:46 GMT

> Maybe you all know about this already, but I just found an on-line
> version/transcription of the "1811 Dictinary of the Vulgar Tongue" at:
>
> http://www.harvestfields.netfirms.com/etexts/31/00.htm

Thanks. My all-time favorite entry:

>> C**T. The chonnos of the Greek, and the cunnus of the Latin
>> dictionaries; a nasty name for a nasty thing: un con Miege.

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Jouni Filip Maho - 17 Jan 2004 16:09 GMT

> > Maybe you all know about this already, but I just found an on-line
> > version/transcription of the "1811 Dictinary of the Vulgar Tongue" at:
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> >> dictionaries; a nasty name for a nasty thing: un con Miege.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Yes. That is a good one. The dictionary seems a bit inconsistent in its
censoring princliples. They have "c--t", "p---k", "duck f-ck-er" (but
not "f--k"), but then they have "cock alley".

I'm intrigued by the following:

HUGOTONTHEONBIQUIFFINARIANS. A society existing in 1748.

Any ideas what it could have been?

Should it segmentalized HUGOT-ON-THE-ON-BIQUIFFINARIANS ?

(Google gives nothing.)

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Jouni Filip Maho - 17 Jan 2004 16:25 GMT

I wrote:

> > > Maybe you all know about this already, but I just found an on-line
> > > version/transcription of the "1811 Dictinary of the Vulgar Tongue" at:
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> censoring princliples. They have "c--t", "p---k", "duck f-ck-er" (but
> not "f--k"), but then they have "cock alley".

Interestingly, in a trivia sort of way, it has ARSE as an entry but uses
"arse" and "a--e" (plus "a-se") in the explanatory sections.

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R H Draney - 17 Jan 2004 16:52 GMT

Jouni Filip Maho filted:

>Yes. That is a good one. The dictionary seems a bit inconsistent in its
>censoring princliples. They have "c--t", "p---k", "duck f-ck-er" (but
>not "f--k"), but then they have "cock alley".

No surprise there...George Carlin assigned "cock" to the list of words that are
"dirty part of the time", mentioning boys in Beavis mode finding "and the cock
crowed three times" in the Bible, and their bewilderment upon first hearing of a
"cockfight"....

Another of the terms you listed is perplexing...what's the second dash supposed
to be covering in the duck one?...r

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Jouni Filip Maho - 17 Jan 2004 19:02 GMT

> Jouni Filip Maho filted:
> >
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> Another of the terms you listed is perplexing...what's the second dash supposed
> to be covering in the duck one?...r

Oops. That should've been "duck f-ck-r".

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Reinhold (Rey) Aman - 17 Jan 2004 19:30 GMT

R H Draney falt:

> Jouni Filip Maho filted:

[...]

> > Yes. That is a good one. The dictionary seems a bit inconsistent in
> > its censoring princliples. They have "c--t", "p---k", "duck f-ck-er"
> > (butnot "f--k"), but then they have "cock alley".

> No surprise there...George Carlin assigned "cock" to the list of words that
> are "dirty part of the time", mentioning boys in Beavis mode finding "and
> the cock crowed three times" in the Bible, and their bewilderment upon first
> hearing of a "cockfight"....

Related: Carlin's "You can say 'prick your finger' but not 'finger your
prick.'" (Paraphrased.)

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Evan Kirshenbaum - 17 Jan 2004 21:50 GMT

> R H Draney falt:
>
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> Related: Carlin's "You can say 'prick your finger' but not 'finger
> your prick.'" (Paraphrased.)

Somewhat closer paraphrase:

"It's okay if it happens to your finger. You can prick your finger,
but dooon't finger your prick."

The other one was "balls":

It's okay to say "Roberto Clemente has two balls on him", but you
can't say, "I think he hurt his balls on that play...yes, he's
holding them; he must have hurt them".

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R H Draney - 18 Jan 2004 06:53 GMT

Evan Kirshenbaum filted:

>> R H Draney falt:
>>
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> can't say, "I think he hurt his balls on that play...yes, he's
> holding them; he must have hurt them".

And to complete the set:

"'a.s' is okay if you're riding into town on a religious feast day"....

Someone should probably point this out to the Congressman, but I suppose that
same someone is then obligated to inform him of Carlin's first appendix to the
list: "fart", "turd" and "twat"....r

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Donna Richoux - 17 Jan 2004 16:59 GMT

> I'm intrigued by the following:
>
> HUGOTONTHEONBIQUIFFINARIANS. A society existing in 1748.

The printed copy has the same thing. So it's not a scanning error.

> Any ideas what it could have been?

Means nothing to me.

> Should it segmentalized HUGOT-ON-THE-ON-BIQUIFFINARIANS ?
>
> (Google gives nothing.)

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Jouni Filip Maho - 17 Jan 2004 15:55 GMT

> Maybe you all know about this already, but I just found an on-line
> version/transcription of the "1811 Dictinary of the Vulgar Tongue" at:
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> That site seems to contain quite a lot of "ebooks and etexts", of
> various sorts and qualities.

It also has the "Devil's Dictionary" by Ambrose Pierce, 1911, at:

http://www.harvestfields.netfirms.com/magic/01bkm/dd01.htm

in which I could find the following tidbits:

Language, n. The music with which we charm the serpents
guarding another's treasure.

Lap, n. One of the most important organs of the female system
an admirable provision of nature for the repose of infancy, but
chiefly useful in rural festivities to support plates of cold
chicken and heads of adult males. The male of our species has a
rudimentary lap, imperfectly developed and in no way contributing
to the animal's substantial welfare.

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Donna Richoux - 17 Jan 2004 16:59 GMT

News to me. Thanks. I've own a reprint of that for some time. I always
enjoy checking it, but it's quite rare than any word in it relates to a
modern day use. Slang has changed that much.

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