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Mark Twain and "mugwump"

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Theodore de Bere - 19 Jan 2004 08:00 GMT
Someone in a crossposting between AEU and sci.lang wondered
in recent days whether there was a concordance of Mark
Twain's works available somewhere.  The immediate concern
was to know whether Mark Twain had ever used the word
"mugwump."

I haven't been able to find a concordance, although I found
laudatory remarks about an extinct (moribund?) one that had
been at www.concordance.com .  It's said to have vanished
sometime after its owner died in the past year or three.

I have found a file at Project Gutenberg that has a great
many -- maybe most -- of Mark Twain's works, including
several of his books, a great many essays, and some personal
correspondence that he wrote.  The name of the file is
"Complete Project Gutenberg Mark Twain Works," but I take
that to mean it's all the Mark Twain works Project Gutenberg
has, not the complete works of Mark Twain.

The size of the dataset is 18.75 mB.  It can be FTP'd at
http://www.gutenberg.net/browse/BIBREC/BR3200.HTM .  

I searched it on the string "mugwump" and found twenty-three
or so occurrences, some of which were in "mugwumps" and
"mugwumped."  Some of the occurrences were in the background
material written by other people, but several more were
written by Mark Twain.

--
Sparky
Raymond S. Wise - 19 Jan 2004 08:40 GMT
[Crossposted newsgroups sci.lang and alt.english.usage dropped.]

> Someone in a crossposting between AEU and sci.lang wondered
> in recent days whether there was a concordance of Mark
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> --
> Sparky

On January 16, I posted the following to sci.lang and alt.english.usage :

See
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=UJidnan7P-Rz8JXdRVn-iQ%40gbronline.com&oe=U
TF-8&output=gplain


or

http://tinyurl.com/2cueu

[begin quote from Usenet post]

Mark Twain was a Mugwump in the 1884 political sense, while his friend
William Dean Howells stuck with the Republican party. See

http://www.boondocksnet.com/twainwww/essays/howells_memoirs9803.html

and

http://www.boondocksnet.com/twaintexts/biography/paine_bio151.html

and see what Mark Twain had to say about being a Mugwump at

http://www.twainquotes.com/Mugwump.htm

[end quote from Usenet post]

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Bob Cunningham - 19 Jan 2004 09:05 GMT
[about Mark Twain and "mugwump"]

<snip>

> On January 16, I posted the following to sci.lang and alt.english.usage :

And you posted it under the very unhelpful subject line
"Re: British dictionaries of English."  Thanks a heap.
Raymond S. Wise - 19 Jan 2004 09:36 GMT
> [about Mark Twain and "mugwump"]
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> And you posted it under the very unhelpful subject line
> "Re: British dictionaries of English."  Thanks a heap.

Bob, the word "mugwump" had been discussed in that thread since the very
beginning, when Larry Trask, in a post on January 10, criticized the
treatment of "mugwump" in British dictionaries. See

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl1628510170d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF
-8&selm=48c7f19.0401101129.1d9c49bd%40posting.google.com


or

http://tinyurl.com/2ft82

Under the circumstances.there seems little justification to criticize me for
failing to change the subject line.

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Theodore de Bere - 19 Jan 2004 16:33 GMT
> > [about Mark Twain and "mugwump"]

> > <snip>

> > > On January 16, I posted the following to sci.lang and alt.english.usage

> > And you posted it under the very unhelpful subject line
> > "Re: British dictionaries of English."  Thanks a heap.

> Bob, the word "mugwump" had been discussed in that thread since the very
> beginning, when Larry Trask, in a post on January 10, criticized the
> treatment of "mugwump" in British dictionaries. See

> http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl1628510170d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF
-8&selm=48c7f19.0401101129.1d9c49bd%40posting.google.com
 
> or

> http://tinyurl.com/2ft82

> Under the circumstances.there seems little justification to criticize me for
> failing to change the subject line.

I see that you replied to a question from Peter T Daniels:
He wanted to know if there was a concordance of works by
Mark Twain or other authors of that period.  Your posting
was not responsive to that question.

My posting was responsive to that question, but I saw no
need to say who had asked it.  I had noticed the subject
line of the PTD posting and had read the posting because the
subject of British dictionaries is one that I find
interesting.  As is almost always sadly the case, I found
that the subject line was not related to the content, but
the question of whether or not there's a concordance of Mark
Twain's works did make me curious about that.

Anyway, once the topic of discussion had drifted away from
British dictionaries and had focused on the meaning of
"mugwump", the subject line should have been changed.

But hardly anyone else thinks it's important to have a
connection between subject line and content, so why should
you be different?  (Rhetorical question.)
Raymond S. Wise - 19 Jan 2004 19:50 GMT
> > > [about Mark Twain and "mugwump"]
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> > beginning, when Larry Trask, in a post on January 10, criticized the
> > treatment of "mugwump" in British dictionaries. See

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl1628510170d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF
-8&selm=48c7f19.0401101129.1d9c49bd%40posting.google.com


> > or
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Mark Twain or other authors of that period.  Your posting
> was not responsive to that question.

My posting was not responsive the the specific question made by Peter T.
Daniels. It was, however, responsive to the implied question, namely, did
Mark Twain or William Dean Howells use the word "Mugwump"? Mark Twain did,
as I demonstrated. I did not attempt to show that William Dean Howells used
it, but did show that he was *opposed* to the Mugwumps.

You were aware of the implied question yourself, since you wrote the
following in your original post to this thread (emphasis added with
double-asterisk brackets): "Someone in a crossposting between AEU and
sci.lang wondered in recent days whether there was a concordance of Mark
Twain's works available somewhere.  **The immediate concern was to know
whether Mark Twain had ever used the word 'mugwump.'**"

Here is some of the context of the discussion in sci.lang and
alt.english.usage ,  reformatted from a post by Daniels which can be seen at

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl3628432412d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF
-8&selm=400860F1.6BC0%40worldnet.att.net


or

http://tinyurl.com/2sbye

Philip Anderson wrote:

"As an American word it may _no longer_ mean 'boss', but in British English
it still does.  This is the only sense in which I have met it being used,
although dictionaries do give the alternative meaning of an (American)
independent.

"Has it ever been used to describe an independent politician in Britain? If
not, then this must clearly be the secondary meaning."

Dylan Sung wrote:

"I've never met this word used in the last twenty years except when
Burrough's Naked Lunch was made into a movie. Would one consider it
obselete?"

Peter T. Daniels wrote:

"I've never met this word outside that 11th-grade American History
textbook.

"Is there a concordance of Mark Twain, or William Dean Howells, or other
popular novelists of the era?"

> My posting was responsive to that question, but I saw no
> need to say who had asked it.  I had noticed the subject
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> connection between subject line and content, so why should
> you be different?  (Rhetorical question.)

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Raymond S. Wise - 19 Jan 2004 09:41 GMT
> [Crossposted newsgroups sci.lang and alt.english.usage dropped.]
>
[quoted text clipped - 32 lines]
>
> See

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=UJidnan7P-Rz8JXdRVn-iQ%40gbronline.com&oe=U
TF-8&output=gplain


> or
>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> http://www.twainquotes.com/Mugwump.htm

Make that
http://www.twainquotes.com/Mugwump.html

> [end quote from Usenet post]

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E-mail: mplsray @ yahoo . com

 
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