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Maria Conlon - 21 Jan 2004 14:04 GMT
In a TV commercial (ad) this morning, what I call "rubber bands" were
called "elastics." (Later in the same commercial, they were called
"rubber bands.")

Is "elastics" a new name for rubber bands? An older name? Is it,
possibly, a regional name?

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Armond Perretta - 21 Jan 2004 14:48 GMT
> In a TV commercial (ad) this morning, what I call "rubber bands"
> were called "elastics." (Later in the same commercial, they were
> called "rubber bands.")
>
> Is "elastics" a new name for rubber bands? An older name? Is it,
> possibly, a regional name?

In the commercial rubber business (tires and the like), rubber compounds are
generically classified as "elastomers."  I've even heard "elastomerics."

"Elastics"?  That's pushing it.

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Frances Kemmish - 21 Jan 2004 15:07 GMT
>>In a TV commercial (ad) this morning, what I call "rubber bands"
>>were called "elastics." (Later in the same commercial, they were
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> "Elastics"?  That's pushing it.

I don't find anything strange about "elastics" for "rubber bands".
Google doesn't either: a search on elastics, brings up lots of sites
about orthodontics

http://mybraces.com/elastics.htm

A search on "hair elastics" finds many references to bands for securing
ponytails.

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Armond Perretta - 21 Jan 2004 16:31 GMT
>>> Is "elastics" a new name for rubber bands? An older name? Is it,
>>> possibly, a regional name?
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> A search on "hair elastics" finds many references to bands for
> securing ponytails.

I won't quarrel with the specialized or technical uses "elastics" seems to
have acquired, but "rubber band" seems to have stood the test of time.
Using "elastics" here seems akin to calling those garbage bag wire ties
"nonelastics."

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Frances Kemmish - 21 Jan 2004 16:46 GMT
>>>>Is "elastics" a new name for rubber bands? An older name? Is it,
>>>>possibly, a regional name?
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> Using "elastics" here seems akin to calling those garbage bag wire ties
> "nonelastics."

Where I come from, "rubber bands" were called "elastic bands"; it wasn't
much of a step to calling them just "elastics". It isn't new: we were
calleing elastic bands elastics before we started putting our rubbish in
plastic bags.

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Armond Perretta - 21 Jan 2004 18:56 GMT
>> I won't quarrel with the specialized or technical uses  [of] "elastics"
>> ... but ...  Using "elastics" here seems akin to calling ... wire ties
>> "nonelastics."
>
> Where I come from, "rubber bands" were called "elastic bands" ...

I don't come from there, but I must admit there's no substitute for hands-on
experience.

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Raymond S. Wise - 22 Jan 2004 03:39 GMT
> >>In a TV commercial (ad) this morning, what I call "rubber bands"
> >>were called "elastics." (Later in the same commercial, they were
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> A search on "hair elastics" finds many references to bands for securing
> ponytails.

Some items used to secure ponytails are composed of a rubber core surrounded
by a cloth sheath, the same basic thing as is used to hold on costume masks
and surgical face masks. I would not call this a "rubber band," but an
"elastic band." I see from a Web search of sites that sell masks that these
are sometimes called "elastics," although I didn't bother to determine if
the sites in question were US-based or not.

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John Varela - 22 Jan 2004 21:46 GMT
> Some items used to secure ponytails are composed of a rubber core surrounded
> by a cloth sheath,

Those are called "scrunchies".  Photos at

http://gifts-pontier.com/cat-hs.htm

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Aaron J. Dinkin - 24 Jan 2004 22:00 GMT
>> Some items used to secure ponytails are composed of a rubber core surrounded
>> by a cloth sheath,
>
> Those are called "scrunchies".  Photos at
>
> http://gifts-pontier.com/cat-hs.htm

I agree that those are called scrunchies. But these, which also fit Ray's
description -

http://gregl.net/images/hairbands/Hairbands_on_table.jpg

I would call "[hair] elastics", not "scrunchies". Title of the image
notwithstanding, I wouldn't call them "hairbands".

-Aaron J. Dinkin
Dr. Whom
Skitt - 21 Jan 2004 20:09 GMT
>> In a TV commercial (ad) this morning, what I call "rubber bands"
>> were called "elastics." (Later in the same commercial, they were
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> "Elastics"?  That's pushing it.

Bootsy Collins and his Elastics?  Well, yeah, it has a certain draw to it.
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Armond Perretta - 21 Jan 2004 21:04 GMT
>>> Is "elastics" a new name for rubber bands? An older name? Is it,
>>> possibly, a regional name?
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Bootsy Collins and his Elastics?  Well, yeah, it has a certain draw
> to it.

Isn't that Kinky Freedman, etc.?

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John O'Flaherty - 22 Jan 2004 16:04 GMT
>> In a TV commercial (ad) this morning, what I call "rubber bands"
>> were called "elastics." (Later in the same commercial, they were
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
>"Elastics"?  That's pushing it.

I saw a bag of 'elastomeric closures' intended to seal plastic
biohazard bags. They looked just like rubber bands.

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Armond Perretta - 22 Jan 2004 16:50 GMT
>>> In a TV commercial (ad) this morning, what I call "rubber bands"
>>> were called "elastics." (Later in the same commercial, they were
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> I saw a bag of 'elastomeric closures' intended to seal plastic
> biohazard bags. They looked just like rubber bands.

I suppose one has to be flexible about such things.

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Pat Durkin - 22 Jan 2004 17:06 GMT
> >> In a TV commercial (ad) this morning, what I call "rubber bands"
> >> were called "elastics." (Later in the same commercial, they were
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> I saw a bag of 'elastomeric closures' intended to seal plastic
> biohazard bags. They looked just like rubber bands.

I am wondering if the labeling of our rubber bands hasn't changed to elastic
bands as a consumer health and information move, since very few products
these days are made of true rubber.  There are notices in hospital and
clinics on the "rubber gloves"dispensers, now being relabeled to reassure
people who are allergic to latex (natural rubber) that there is no latex in
the products.

I wonder how many guys got the itch from condoms and blamed it on the women,
before synthetics took over the rubber market.

I can recall a HS classmate who had to get rid of a perfectly good pair of
shoes because they had expander panels that gave her a rash, and the rubber
there was sheathed in cording.  That was the first time (about 1953) that I
ever heard of a latex allergy, dermatitis, dermatologists, etc.

A few years ago, I bought a 1-pound bag of rubber bands that are labeled:
ECO Natural Rubber Bands.
(Made from natural rubber.  Reusable. Renewable.
Alliance Rubber Company, Franklin, Kentucky.  Manufactured in Hot Springs,
Arkansas.
Warehouses Nationwide.
Bands may leave a mark on certain surfaces.  Test before using on
questionable items.
Mike Barnes - 21 Jan 2004 16:29 GMT
In alt.usage.english, Maria Conlon wrote:
>In a TV commercial (ad) this morning, what I call "rubber bands" were
>called "elastics." (Later in the same commercial, they were called
>"rubber bands.")
>
>Is "elastics" a new name for rubber bands? An older name? Is it,
>possibly, a regional name?

Are you familiar with the term "elastic band"? That's what they were
called in our household, long before I'd ever heard the term "rubber
band".

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Skitt - 21 Jan 2004 20:03 GMT
> In a TV commercial (ad) this morning, what I call "rubber bands" were
> called "elastics." (Later in the same commercial, they were called
> "rubber bands.")
>
> Is "elastics" a new name for rubber bands? An older name? Is it,
> possibly, a regional name?

I thought that elastics are what's at the top of panties and such.  Rubber
bands just wouldn't do, would they?  Well, maybe for a severely anorexic gal
...
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Charles Riggs - 22 Jan 2004 09:23 GMT
>> In a TV commercial (ad) this morning, what I call "rubber bands" were
>> called "elastics." (Later in the same commercial, they were called
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>I thought that elastics are what's at the top of panties and such.  

Never strong enough, it seems, to keep one's undershorts from slipping
down to a position well below the butt -- one of the reasons I never
wear them.

Isn't elastics, for rubber bands, a British usage? They have lots of
funny words over here: plasters for Band-Aids is another.
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david56 - 23 Jan 2004 17:15 GMT
Charles Riggs spake thus:

> >> In a TV commercial (ad) this morning, what I call "rubber bands" were
> >> called "elastics." (Later in the same commercial, they were called
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> Isn't elastics, for rubber bands, a British usage? They have lots of
> funny words over here: plasters for Band-Aids is another.

Actually, the translation of Band-Aid is "Elastoplast" as they are
both trade names.  But we use "plaster" just as much as Elastoplast -
what is the generic US term for a plaster?

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Jack Gavin - 23 Jan 2004 17:38 GMT
> Actually, the translation of Band-Aid is "Elastoplast" as they are
> both trade names.  But we use "plaster" just as much as Elastoplast -
> what is the generic US term for a plaster?

We Americans do use "plaster" in a related sense, eg "mustard plaster".

http://www.bartleby.com/61/2/M0500200.html (AHD):

 NOUN: A medicinal plaster made with a pastelike mixture
 of powdered black mustard, flour, and water, used especially
 as a counterirritant. Also called sinapism.

Mind you, I've never heard of a sinapism.

But I wouldn't call a Band-Aid a "plaster".  I'd call it a "[self-adhesive]
bandage".

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Robert Bannister - 24 Jan 2004 00:41 GMT
>>Actually, the translation of Band-Aid is "Elastoplast" as they are
>>both trade names.  But we use "plaster" just as much as Elastoplast -
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> But I wouldn't call a Band-Aid a "plaster".  I'd call it a "[self-adhesive]
> bandage".

I think we have the same problem in Australia. 'Band-Aid' is the most
used term; after that, we have difficulties and 'bandage' with some
qualifier seems to be the only choice. I must ask my doctor rellies what
the official hospital term is.

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R H Draney - 24 Jan 2004 01:06 GMT
Robert Bannister filted:

>> But I wouldn't call a Band-Aid a "plaster".  I'd call it a "[self-adhesive]
>> bandage".
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>qualifier seems to be the only choice. I must ask my doctor rellies what
>the official hospital term is.

Somewhere I have a recording of Los Angeles disc jockey Robert W Morgan in 1965
doing a commercial for some brand of the things, and the copy makes him call
them "surgical dressings"...he then ad libs "just like Ben Casey wears--to
bed"....

I'm also recalling a humorous poem in a veryoldjokebook I inherited from my
grandmother, in which the narrator, a boy relating the story of his spanking,
asks the family doctor afterwards to "put a good soft poultice on"...poultices
were not something I was familiar with growing up, so when I recited it back
then for show-and-tell, I changed the word to "bandage"....

(Random firing of neurons: since Morgan's show was on KHJ, an AM (amplitude
modulated) station, and was aired in the mornings, would he have been "KHJ-AM LA
AM DJ Robert W Morgan"?)...r
Ray Heindl - 23 Jan 2004 22:56 GMT
> Charles Riggs spake thus:
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> both trade names.  But we use "plaster" just as much as
> Elastoplast - what is the generic US term for a plaster?

The good folks at Johnson & Johnson may sue me for this, but the common
generic term is "band-aid".  Those who are afraid of J&J's lawyers call
them "adhesive bandages", but I've never heard that term used in normal
conversation.

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david56 - 23 Jan 2004 23:01 GMT
Ray Heindl spake thus:

> > Charles Riggs spake thus:
> >
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> them "adhesive bandages", but I've never heard that term used in normal
> conversation.

So what is printed on boxes of Wal-Mart brand band-aids?  I went to
buy some petrol this evening and noticed that the petrol station
(which is part of a supermarket) sells Morrisons brand Plasters
(that's what it says on the box).

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Frances Kemmish - 23 Jan 2004 23:07 GMT
> Ray Heindl spake thus:
>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> (which is part of a supermarket) sells Morrisons brand Plasters
> (that's what it says on the box).

I can't speak for Wal-Mart, but Shoprite calls them "adhesive bandages".

It's one of the many differences in usage over here that aren't apparent
until you live here. My image of "bandage" is still a roll of white gauze.

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Robert Bannister - 24 Jan 2004 00:44 GMT
> Ray Heindl spake thus:
>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> (which is part of a supermarket) sells Morrisons brand Plasters
> (that's what it says on the box).

I just checked my (Austrl & NZ) J&J box. It says " 'Band-Aid' brand
bandages help cuts heal...", so 'bandages' is what they think officially.

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Raymond S. Wise - 24 Jan 2004 06:38 GMT
> Ray Heindl spake thus:
>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> (which is part of a supermarket) sells Morrisons brand Plasters
> (that's what it says on the box).

It's "[brand name] brand adhesive bandages." The people who make Band-Aids
must themselves label their product "Band-Aid brand adhesive bandages"
because if they simply labeled them "Band-Aids" they would risk losing their
trademark.

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mUs1Ka - 24 Jan 2004 12:17 GMT
> It's "[brand name] brand adhesive bandages." The people who make
> Band-Aids must themselves label their product "Band-Aid brand
> adhesive bandages" because if they simply labeled them "Band-Aids"
> they would risk losing their trademark.

Might they have taken their name from BANDAGES (Band-Aid-ges)?
m.
Raymond S. Wise - 24 Jan 2004 13:03 GMT
> > It's "[brand name] brand adhesive bandages." The people who make
> > Band-Aids must themselves label their product "Band-Aid brand
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Might they have taken their name from BANDAGES (Band-Aid-ges)?
> m.

It's an interesting suggestion.

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John Varela - 24 Jan 2004 18:04 GMT
> So what is printed on boxes of Wal-Mart brand band-aids?

I don't know about Wal-Mart, but the Rite-Aid box says "Sterile, Non-stick pad
Plastic BANDAGES".  The Johnson & Johnson box, which must be pretty old since
it's a metal can that lists a phone number but no URL, says "BAND-AID Sheer
Bandages" on one side and "BAND-AID Sheer brand adhesive bandages" on the
other.

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Ray Heindl - 26 Jan 2004 20:58 GMT
>> The good folks at Johnson & Johnson may sue me for this, but the
>> common generic term is "band-aid".  Those who are afraid of J&J's
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> station (which is part of a supermarket) sells Morrisons brand
> Plasters (that's what it says on the box).

My various non-J&J band-aids are labeled "sterile adhesive bandage",
"CURITY(R) Plastic Bandage", or "CVS bandage strip", but the
manufacturers' lawyers are all afraid of J&J's lawyers.  So it seems
there's no one official term.  

I also keep a few token "BAND-AID brand adhesive bandages" around, so I
don't feel guilty about using the nice metal box to store off-brand
band-aids.

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Donna Richoux - 21 Jan 2004 20:56 GMT
> In a TV commercial (ad) this morning, what I call "rubber bands" were
> called "elastics." (Later in the same commercial, they were called
> "rubber bands.")
>
> Is "elastics" a new name for rubber bands? An older name? Is it,
> possibly, a regional name?

A rubber band is an "elastiek" in Dutch.

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John Varela - 21 Jan 2004 21:58 GMT
> Is "elastics" a new name for rubber bands? An older name? Is it,
> possibly, a regional name?

"Elastic" was the standard term for a rubber band in Boston in the 1950s.  I
imagine it still is.  I have no idea how widespread in New England that
terminology is, but I would speculate everywhere but the New York 'burbs.

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Dr Robin Bignall - 21 Jan 2004 22:42 GMT
>In a TV commercial (ad) this morning, what I call "rubber bands" were
>called "elastics." (Later in the same commercial, they were called
>"rubber bands.")
>
>Is "elastics" a new name for rubber bands? An older name? Is it,
>possibly, a regional name?

Rubber bands were always called 'elastic bands' where I grew up in the
British Midlands.

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Richard Chambers - 21 Jan 2004 23:30 GMT
> >Is "elastics" a new name for rubber bands? An older name? Is it,
> >possibly, a regional name?
>
> Rubber bands were always called 'elastic bands' where I grew up in the
> British Midlands.

I was also brought up in the British Midlands (Leamington Spa), and the
thinner rubber bands were always called "rubber bands", never "elastic
bands". Wider and stronger rubber bands (as a rule of thumb, greater than
about 6mm width of rubber) were also usually "rubber bands", but might
occasionally be referred to as "elastic bands". Never, as far as I can
remember, as "elastics".

Just after Christmas I had to go on a shopping errand for my 91 year old
mother, who wanted some "knicker elastic". She also wanted 2 metres of
1/2-inch elastic, and 4 metres of 3/4-inch elastic. All these products are
referred to by a commodity noun ("elastic"), which is in the singular.
"Elastic" is an item of haberdashery. Unlike the rubber band, it is sold as
a specified length, not as a closed loop.

Richard Chambers       Leeds   UK.
Frances Kemmish - 22 Jan 2004 01:25 GMT
>>>Is "elastics" a new name for rubber bands? An older name? Is it,
>>>possibly, a regional name?
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> occasionally be referred to as "elastic bands". Never, as far as I can
> remember, as "elastics".

You see how much difference a few miles makes in the way English people
talk: Robin and I both come from the East Midlands. Robin is from
Nottingham, and I am from a village about 15 miles north of there.

> Just after Christmas I had to go on a shopping errand for my 91 year old
> mother, who wanted some "knicker elastic". She also wanted 2 metres of
> 1/2-inch elastic, and 4 metres of 3/4-inch elastic.

So did your granny really ask for 4 metres of knicker elastic? That's
very progressive of her.

> All these products are
> referred to by a commodity noun ("elastic"), which is in the singular.
> "Elastic" is an item of haberdashery. Unlike the rubber band, it is sold as
> a specified length, not as a closed loop.

Are rubber bands still made of rubber?

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Dr Robin Bignall - 22 Jan 2004 22:23 GMT
>>>>Is "elastics" a new name for rubber bands? An older name? Is it,
>>>>possibly, a regional name?
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>talk: Robin and I both come from the East Midlands. Robin is from
>Nottingham, and I am from a village about 15 miles north of there.

Just what I was about to post, Frances. Leamington Spa sounds more like a
bit of paradise than a piece of t'Midlands. The only water coming out of
t'ground where you and I were born was pumped out of t'pits.

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Quiet part of Hertfordshire
England

Richard Chambers - 22 Jan 2004 23:39 GMT
> >You see how much difference a few miles makes in the way English people
> >talk: Robin and I both come from the East Midlands. Robin is from
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> bit of paradise than a piece of t'Midlands. The only water coming out of
> t'ground where you and I were born was pumped out of t'pits.

Yes, I was lucky in the idyllic life I led. Born with a silver spoon, and
reared with infinite care. At the end of my expensive education well able to
distinguish a rubber band from an elastic one.

Richard Chambers       Leeds   UK.
Steve Hayes - 23 Jan 2004 06:14 GMT
>Yes, I was lucky in the idyllic life I led. Born with a silver spoon, and
>reared with infinite care. At the end of my expensive education well able to
>distinguish a rubber band from an elastic one.

So you're too well bred to get your knicker elastic all twisted?

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Mickwick - 23 Jan 2004 23:14 GMT
In alt.usage.english, Richard Chambers wrote:

>Yes, I was lucky in the idyllic life I led. Born with a silver spoon, and
>reared with infinite care. At the end of my expensive education well able to
>distinguish a rubber band from an elastic one.

Does 'Arnold Lodge' ring any bells by any chance?

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Richard Chambers - 23 Jan 2004 23:47 GMT
> In alt.usage.english, Richard Chambers wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Does 'Arnold Lodge' ring any bells by any chance?

I know where it is. But my education was far more expensive than that.

Richard Chambers       Leeds   UK.
Mickwick - 24 Jan 2004 00:17 GMT
In alt.usage.english, Richard Chambers wrote:
>"Mickwick" <mickwick@use.reply.to> wrote in message

>> Does 'Arnold Lodge' ring any bells by any chance?
>
>I know where it is. But my education was far more expensive than that.

'Is'?

Good grief!

(Do tell, by the way.)

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Frances Kemmish - 24 Jan 2004 00:39 GMT
>>In alt.usage.english, Richard Chambers wrote:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> I know where it is. But my education was far more expensive than that.

I know where Arnold Lane is. Does that count?

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Dr Robin Bignall - 24 Jan 2004 14:28 GMT
>>>In alt.usage.english, Richard Chambers wrote:
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
>I know where Arnold Lane is. Does that count?

When I was a kid, Arnold was a suburb of Nottingham, almost a village. My
aunt used to live there, but not in a lodge. Now, I should imagine it's
just part of the city's sprawl.

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Frances Kemmish - 24 Jan 2004 15:30 GMT
>>>>In alt.usage.english, Richard Chambers wrote:
>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> aunt used to live there, but not in a lodge. Now, I should imagine it's
> just part of the city's sprawl.

Well, it's still a suburb of Nottingham, and it probably still calls
itself a village, but there doesn't seem to be any countryside to speak
of between Nottingham and Arnold.

We used to go for Sunday dinner to the Burnt Stump in Arnold, when my
Dad was alive.

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John Dean - 24 Jan 2004 20:01 GMT
>>> In alt.usage.english, Richard Chambers wrote:
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> I know where Arnold Lane is. Does that count?

I know who Arnold Ridley was. Can I play?
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Mickwick - 24 Jan 2004 20:56 GMT
In alt.usage.english, John Dean wrote:

>> I know where Arnold Lane is. Does that count?
>
>I know who Arnold Ridley was. Can I play?

We'll get a Wallace Arnold, then everyone can come along.

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Laura F Spira - 24 Jan 2004 22:42 GMT
>>>>In alt.usage.english, Richard Chambers wrote:
>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> I know who Arnold Ridley was. Can I play?

Stupid boy!

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Geoff Butler - 26 Jan 2004 19:35 GMT
>Richard Chambers wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
>I know where Arnold Lane is. Does that count?

All I know about him is that he has a strange hobby.

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david56 - 24 Jan 2004 09:55 GMT
Richard Chambers spake thus:

> > In alt.usage.english, Richard Chambers wrote:
> >
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> I know where it is. But my education was far more expensive than that.

I've not joined in much with the Leamington reminiscences, but I was
born there and lived in Kenilworth until I was 11.  Daughter is in
her first year at Warwick University and is currently looking for a
house to rent with friends, probably in Leamington, for her second
year.

Dad went to Arnold Lodge and Warwick, and Mum went to Warwick Girls.

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Mickwick - 24 Jan 2004 11:08 GMT
In alt.usage.english, david56 wrote:

>Dad went to Arnold Lodge and Warwick, and Mum went to Warwick Girls.

I thought Arnold Lodge was a junior school. I was there for a year or
two, then we moved Darn Sarf (on my sixth birthday).

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david56 - 24 Jan 2004 17:18 GMT
Mickwick spake thus:

> In alt.usage.english, david56 wrote:
>
> >Dad went to Arnold Lodge and Warwick, and Mum went to Warwick Girls.
>
> I thought Arnold Lodge was a junior school. I was there for a year or
> two, then we moved Darn Sarf (on my sixth birthday).

When Dad attended, in the 30s, it was a Prep School.  By "Warwick", I
meant Warwick School of course, not the university based in Coventry.  
Except later when I referred to Daughter who is at the University,
not the boys' public school.

I suppose I'd better explain - Preparatory Schools "prepare" boys for
Public School by training them to pass the entrance exams.  I have no
idea if Arnold Lodge is still in business.  Yep, Fiends Reunited has
it as "The Arnold Lodge Preparatory School", and it takes girls now.  
It's web site seems to be broken.

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Mickwick - 24 Jan 2004 20:56 GMT
In alt.usage.english, david56 wrote:
>Mickwick spake thus:
>> In alt.usage.english, david56 wrote:

>> >Dad went to Arnold Lodge and Warwick, and Mum went to Warwick Girls.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>Except later when I referred to Daughter who is at the University,
>not the boys' public school.

I should have guessed. (Honestly.)

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Robert Bannister - 22 Jan 2004 01:03 GMT
> In a TV commercial (ad) this morning, what I call "rubber bands" were
> called "elastics." (Later in the same commercial, they were called
> "rubber bands.")
>
> Is "elastics" a new name for rubber bands? An older name? Is it,
> possibly, a regional name?

(W Australia) I've heard "lackies" (short for "lacky bands"), although I
wouldn't say it was common. No, I'll change my mind on that: "Have you
got a lacky?" seems OK, at least for kids.

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Frances Kemmish - 22 Jan 2004 01:12 GMT
>> In a TV commercial (ad) this morning, what I call "rubber bands" were
>> called "elastics." (Later in the same commercial, they were called
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> wouldn't say it was common. No, I'll change my mind on that: "Have you
> got a lacky?" seems OK, at least for kids.

I can remember saying "lacky bands" for "elastic bands". I must say that
it seems very Australian, though, to shorten the word like that.

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John Holmes - 25 Jan 2004 01:17 GMT
>> (W Australia) I've heard "lackies" (short for "lacky bands"),
>> although I wouldn't say it was common. No, I'll change my mind on
>> that: "Have you got a lacky?" seems OK, at least for kids.
>
> I can remember saying "lacky bands" for "elastic bands". I must say
> that it seems very Australian, though, to shorten the word like that.

It is mainly a schoolkids' term, in my experience. Sometimes also
'lakker band', especially for the thick ones used for making shanghais.

--
Regards
John
Pat Durkin - 25 Jan 2004 22:28 GMT
> >> (W Australia) I've heard "lackies" (short for "lacky bands"),
> >> although I wouldn't say it was common. No, I'll change my mind on
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> It is mainly a schoolkids' term, in my experience. Sometimes also
> 'lakker band', especially for the thick ones used for making shanghais.

Never before heard of "shanghais".  What are they?  I mean in the sense of
needing a rubber band.  Are they like clamps for holding glued pieces in
place?
Robert Bannister - 26 Jan 2004 00:06 GMT
>>>>(W Australia) I've heard "lackies" (short for "lacky bands"),
>>>>although I wouldn't say it was common. No, I'll change my mind on
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> needing a rubber band.  Are they like clamps for holding glued pieces in
> place?

BrE Catapults.

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Pat Durkin - 26 Jan 2004 00:40 GMT
> >>>>(W Australia) I've heard "lackies" (short for "lacky bands"),
> >>>>although I wouldn't say it was common. No, I'll change my mind on
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> > needing a rubber band.  Are they like clamps for holding glued pieces in
> > place?

Oh, Yes.  In USpeak we say slingshots--a web of rubber between the forks of
a Y-shaped stick.  I haven't made one in ages, but when I was little we had
the innertubes of car tires to cut up.
Dr Robin Bignall - 26 Jan 2004 16:14 GMT
>> >>>>(W Australia) I've heard "lackies" (short for "lacky bands"),
>> >>>>although I wouldn't say it was common. No, I'll change my mind on
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>a Y-shaped stick.  I haven't made one in ages, but when I was little we had
>the innertubes of car tires to cut up.

The really lethal ones (which I was never allowed to have) were made of
metal, had square elastic of about a quarter-inch cross-section, and fired
half-inch ball bearings. I suspect that Steerpike ('Gormenghast') uses
something like that.

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John Dean - 22 Jan 2004 01:28 GMT
> In a TV commercial (ad) this morning, what I call "rubber bands" were
> called "elastics." (Later in the same commercial, they were called
> "rubber bands.")
>
> Is "elastics" a new name for rubber bands? An older name? Is it,
> possibly, a regional name?

Older. OED has, from 1847, <<  With the elastics supplied by the ladies, for
a halter+the young dog passed from the shores of time.>>

Like others in this thread, I grew up calling them 'elastic bands'. But I
knew of 'knicker elastic' and that you could buy a piece of elastic from the
haberdasher. I don't recollect hearing 'elastics' but I heard 'lacky bands'.
I always thought 'rubber band' ws an Americanism.

OED also says << The L. word, together with the related elater, occurs, app.
as a novelty, in Pecquet's Dissertatio Anatomica (1651), where elastica
virtus denotes the 'impulsive force' of the atmosphere, which the
Torricellian experiment (1643) had shown to be the cause of the phenomena
previously ascribed to 'Nature's horror of a vacuum'.] >>
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Oxford
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John Dawkins - 22 Jan 2004 14:44 GMT
> In a TV commercial (ad) this morning, what I call "rubber bands" were
> called "elastics." (Later in the same commercial, they were called
> "rubber bands.")
>
> Is "elastics" a new name for rubber bands? An older name? Is it,
> possibly, a regional name?

In the Boston area, in the 60s and 70s, rubber bands were called
elastics.

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John Varela - 22 Jan 2004 21:52 GMT
> > In a TV commercial (ad) this morning, what I call "rubber bands" were
> > called "elastics." (Later in the same commercial, they were called
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> In the Boston area, in the 60s and 70s, rubber bands were called
> elastics.

I already posted that they were called that in Boston in the '50s, so we have
identified a three-decade life for the usage.  Can anyone extend the period in
either direction?

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Aaron J. Dinkin - 24 Jan 2004 22:04 GMT
>> In the Boston area, in the 60s and 70s, rubber bands were called
>> elastics.
>
> I already posted that they were called that in Boston in the '50s, so
> we have identified a three-decade life for the usage.  Can anyone
> extend the period in either direction?

"Elastics" was the primary term for me, growing up in the Boston area in
the '80s. "Rubber bands" I learned from books and TV. I think I say
"rubber band" more now, however.

-Aaron J. Dinkin
Dr. Whom
david56 - 23 Jan 2004 17:17 GMT
Maria Conlon spake thus:

> In a TV commercial (ad) this morning, what I call "rubber bands" were
> called "elastics." (Later in the same commercial, they were called
> "rubber bands.")
>
> Is "elastics" a new name for rubber bands? An older name? Is it,
> possibly, a regional name?

- What do you do with an elastic trumpet?

- Join a rubber band.

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