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Discussion Groups / English Usage / January 2004"the same problem as arises if..."
Does this sound right to you: "This is the same problem as arises if we attempt XYZ" I thought it was right but rereading, it sounds like "arises" is missing a subject or something... Scott > Does this sound right to you: > > "This is the same problem as arises if we attempt XYZ" > > I thought it was right but rereading, it sounds like "arises" is missing a > subject or something... This is the same problem that arises... Adrian > > Does this sound right to you: > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > This is the same problem that arises... NICTTOI maybe that's no good either. How about: This is the same problem as that which arises if... ("that which" may be replaced with "the one that") Adrian >From: "Adrian Bailey" dadge@hotmail.com >> > I thought it was right but rereading, it sounds like "arises" is missing >a [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >NICTTOI maybe that's no good either. From a strictly stylistic pov, is better than the ones below: less wordy, more concise. But the reader has to go trhough some mental gymnastics to comprehend the meaning. >How about: This is the same problem as that which arises if... ("that which" >may be replaced with "the one that") "Scott" asks about: > > > "This is the same problem as arises if we attempt XYZ" Adrian Bailey tries twice: > > This is the same problem that arises... > How about: This is the same problem as that which arises if... > ("that which" may be replaced with "the one that") As far as I'm concerned, all four are correct and equivalent, and the shorter ones are better.  SignatureMark Brader "I can say nothing at this point." Toronto "Well, you were wrong." msb@vex.net -- Monty Python's Flying Circus >From: "Adrian Bailey" dadge@hotmail.com >> Does this sound right to you: >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >This is the same problem that arises... This is the same problem as the one that arises if... Adrian's version is more concise, but I believe mine goes easier on the reader. > Does this sound right to you: > "This is the same problem as arises if we attempt XYZ" > I thought it was right but rereading, it sounds like "arises" is missing a > subject or something... 1. The sentence is grammatically perfect -- but so far as it suggests doubt it is undesirable. 2. The sure cure is "omit needless words" -- here the commonly redundant existential statement. "This problem arises if we attempt XYZ" ot "The same problem arises when we attempt XYZ" depending on context. -- Don Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada) >> Does this sound right to you: >> "This is the same problem as arises if we attempt XYZ" [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > "The same problem arises when we attempt XYZ" > depending on context. "Attempting XYZ causes the same problem." SignatureMike Nitabach |
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