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Discussion Groups / English Usage / May 2008Meaning of "forum/beat details"
Could anyone please suggest me the meaning of the term "forum/beat details" in the sentence mentioned below: "Use Forum/Beat details to extract beat wise/Retailer wise" I am also confused about "beat wise/retailer wise". This sentence is mentioned in a sales call model. The text is part of a salesman's training document. Thanks in advance! > Could anyone please suggest me the meaning of the term "forum/beat > details" in the sentence mentioned below: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > This sentence is mentioned in a sales call model. The text is part of > a salesman's training document. The only help I can offer is that "beat" comes from the area a policeman walks on his rounds, so it's probably the salesman's "patch". "forum" makes no sense to me in this sentence. Is there any more context?  SignatureDavid > > Could anyone please suggest me the meaning of the term "forum/beat > > details" in the sentence mentioned below: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > -- > David Thank you David. The text deals with the sales call. Here "call" may mean "visit". There are no sentences in this text. The other terms are "stock rotation", "stock check", "uncovering needs", "2 way communication", "realizing buying needs" etc. >> > Could anyone please suggest me the meaning of the term "forum/beat >> > details" in the sentence mentioned below: [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >rotation", "stock check", "uncovering needs", "2 way communication", >"realizing buying needs" etc. The term "stock rotation" leads me to believe this a training manual for a salesmen who works for a company that sells products in supermarkets. You'll often see, for example, the Campbell soup sales rep rotating the stock so the older cans are in the front. If this is a US manual, we use "sales call" and not "visit". We visit our aging Aunties, and make calls on businesses. Our salesmen have "routes" or "territories", not "beats" or a "patch". In the grocery business, it's usually a "route". When you ask questions like this, it's best tell us if this is a US, UK, Australian, or Canadian manual. The terms will differ. That Campbell soup guy, for example, tries to increase the number of "facings" on American supermarket shelves. That may not be the term in other countries. SignatureTony Cooper - Orlando, Florida > On Sat, 24 May 2008 13:27:36 -0700 (PDT), > [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > -- > Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida Thank you Tony. The target readers of this manual are the Indian salesmen. Could you please explain the meaning of "facings"? In this text, the term "Improve Facings" is used under the heading of "Store Check" and "Stock Check". >The target readers of this manual are the Indian salesmen. Of what? Where? >Could you please explain the meaning of "facings"? In this text, the >term "Improve Facings" is used under the heading of "Store Check" and >"Stock Check". A "facing" is one can or box on a shelf. The facing may be three or four deep, but the one on the front is a facing. (A face on the aisle) The more facings your product has, the more likely the shopper is to purchase your brand. Think of soup. If Campbell's has 3 facings of their noodle soup, and another brand has just one, the shopper looking for noodle soup is more likely to see and pick up the Campbell's product. The Campbell's salesman will go into the store and compress his competitor's facings and expand his own brand's facings. The next day the competitor will come in and rearrange the shelves to expand his facings. That's "improving facings". SignatureTony Cooper - Orlando, Florida >> The target readers of this manual are the Indian salesmen. > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > the competitor will come in and rearrange the shelves to expand his > facings. That's "improving facings". I would be astonished if UK supermarkets permitted salesmen to touch their shelf layouts, or even to allow them to engage in any discussion about how many shelf inches their products occupied. Actually, it seems unlikely that brand salesman would visit individual UK supermarkets, since buying is almost certainly centralised. SignatureDavid >>> The target readers of this manual are the Indian salesmen. >> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >unlikely that brand salesman would visit individual UK supermarkets, >since buying is almost certainly centralised. It's quite common here. The supermarkets appreciate them because the salesmen keep the shelves tidy, replace dented cans or broken glass containers, and re-stock the shelves if need be. Saves the supermarket money. They need less help. Once in a while, if you watch, you'll see salesmen in the parking lot exchanging products with other salesmen. A dented can of soup for a tube of toothpaste in a crushed box. Years ago I had a friend who was in this business. The contents of his kitchen cupboard looked like all of the cans and boxes had been rescued from house that had been destroyed by a tornado. Buying is centralized here, too. The salesmen* don't sell to the stores. They maintain the shelves, set up displays, and make the managers aware of new products. They might sell the manager on setting up an end-cap display, but they don't deal with quantities ordered. One of their main functions is to make sure that new items are immediately shelved and not left in the store room, but they accomplish this by actually stocking the shelves. The beer salesmen work the hardest. They stock the coolers for the store from the store's storage area. This will be a busy weekend for them. Do you know that this isn't done in the UK, or are you guessing because you haven't noticed? It's one of those things that goes on under your nose but you don't notice unless you are in the biz. *They probably aren't "salesmen" on their business card or in their personnel file. Probably some kind of "representative". SignatureTony Cooper - Orlando, Florida >It's quite common here. The supermarkets appreciate them because the >salesmen keep the shelves tidy, replace dented cans or broken glass >containers, and re-stock the shelves if need be. Saves the >supermarket money. They need less help. I remember hearing that, as electronic inventory controls have become universal, it was expected that supermarkets would move towards a consignment model, where manufacturers and distribtors rent shelf space and receive payment for the product only when it is scanned at checkout; the vendor would have to take complete responsibility for inventory management. This makes sense as a natural extension of the slotting fees that food and consumer-products companies already pay to get new products in the door. (Either way, there's no point in complaining to store management about some product not being available -- they don't have anything to do with whether it's there or not, no matter whether the decision is being made in their own head-office data center or the manufacturer's.) -GAWollman SignatureGarrett A. Wollman | The real tragedy of human existence is not that we are wollman@csail.mit.edu| nasty by nature, but that a cruel structural asymmetry Opinions not those | grants to rare events of meanness such power to shape of MIT or CSAIL. | our history. - S.J. Gould, Ten Thousand Acts of Kindness >>>> The target readers of this manual are the Indian salesmen. >>> Of what? Where? [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > containers, and re-stock the shelves if need be. Saves the > supermarket money. They need less help. ... > The beer salesmen work the hardest. They stock the coolers for the > store from the store's storage area. This will be a busy weekend for > them. Coolers. There's another thing. UK supermarkets (and off-licences (*)) sell beer at room temperature, on the assumption that the customer isn't going to drink it on the way home. > Do you know that this isn't done in the UK, or are you guessing > because you haven't noticed? It's one of those things that goes on > under your nose but you don't notice unless you are in the biz. I am guessing, but I know that the supermarkets are supremely controlling of all aspects of their business. I'd like to hear if anybody knows for certain, * An off-licence is a shop which has a licence to sell alcohol for consumption off the premises. Supermarkets hold off licences, but "an off licence" is a place which principally sells alcohol. Round here they all seem to belong to a chain called Bargain Booze. Children like them because they stay open late and also sell sweets, crisps, etc. SignatureDavid > Coolers. There's another thing. UK supermarkets (and off-licences (*)) > sell beer at room temperature, on the assumption that the customer isn't > going to drink it on the way home. My local garage sells chilled white wine. >> Coolers. There's another thing. UK supermarkets (and off-licences (*)) >> sell beer at room temperature, on the assumption that the customer isn't >> going to drink it on the way home. > >My local garage sells chilled white wine. Do you get more mpg when it's chilled or when it's warmed up? SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english) the Omrud wrote, in <0N9_j.9026$DZ6.454@text.news.virginmedia.com> on Sun, 25 May 2008 08:52:12 GMT: > Coolers. There's another thing. UK supermarkets (and off-licences (*)) > sell beer at room temperature, on the assumption that the customer isn't > going to drink it on the way home. The supermarkets in these parts have a considerable amount of beer and cider in cold shelving, the same sort as is used for milk. There are bulk supplies in cases as well. SignatureNick Spalding BrE/IrE > Coolers. There's another thing. UK supermarkets (and off-licences > (*)) sell beer at room temperature, on the assumption that the > customer isn't going to drink it on the way home. I didn't think room temperature beer slowed down UK drinkers. Brian SignatureIf televison's a babysitter, the Internet is a drunk librarian who won't shut up. -- Dorothy Gambrell (http://catandgirl.com) >> Coolers. There's another thing. UK supermarkets (and off-licences >> (*)) sell beer at room temperature, on the assumption that the >> customer isn't going to drink it on the way home. > > I didn't think room temperature beer slowed down UK drinkers. Bitter should be drunk at cellar temperature. Lager needs to be cooled as is brewed at a colder temperature. It's my personal experience that mass-produced US beer is sold near-frozen to numb the taste buds against the disgusting taste which emerges as it warms up. SignatureDavid >It's my personal experience that mass-produced US beer is sold >near-frozen to numb the taste buds against the disgusting taste which >emerges as it warms up. This would make sense except for the fact that the average American, if given a bottle of the best beer available in the UK, would ice it down before drinking it. SignatureTony Cooper - Orlando, Florida >>It's my personal experience that mass-produced US beer is sold >>near-frozen to numb the taste buds against the disgusting taste which [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > if given a bottle of the best beer available in the UK, would ice it > down before drinking it. One would expect this sort of thing from a nation of lager drinkers. Britain, beware your future! SignatureRoland Hutchinson Will play viola da gamba for food. NB mail to my.spamtrap [at] verizon.net is heavily filtered to remove spam. If your message looks like spam I may not see it. >>It's my personal experience that mass-produced US beer is sold >>near-frozen to numb the taste buds against the disgusting taste which [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >if given a bottle of the best beer available in the UK, would ice it >down before drinking it. See, there's your problem. SignatureKaty Jennison spamtrap: remove the first two letters after the @ >> It's my personal experience that mass-produced US beer is sold >> near-frozen to numb the taste buds against the disgusting taste which [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > if given a bottle of the best beer available in the UK, would ice it > down before drinking it. Perhaps Americans don't really like the taste of beer, not having been exposed to it. I know I didn't much like it when I was 17. SignatureDavid >>> It's my personal experience that mass-produced US beer is sold >>> near-frozen to numb the taste buds against the disgusting taste [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Perhaps Americans don't really like the taste of beer, not having been > exposed to it. I know I didn't much like it when I was 17. There /is/ good American and Australian beer, as is often confirmed here when the subject comes up. But, as you say, and like most Brits too, most of them don't actually like beer. I'm sure the tasteless chilled varieties are also the best sellers in Britain. (Language note: in BrE, "lager" and "beer" are often used in distinction, as though the former isn't a variety of the latter. I don't do that.) SignatureMike. ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** > >>>> The target readers of this manual are the Indian salesmen. > >>> Of what? Where? [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > sell beer at room temperature, on the assumption that the customer isn't > going to drink it on the way home. What's wrong with room temperature beer? I prefer it myself. I do know some bars where I have to wait for my beer to warm up. Mind you, some UK room temperatures may mean the beer's too cold do drink John Kane Kingston ON Canada > * An off-licence is a shop which has a licence to sell alcohol for > consumption off the premises. Supermarkets hold off licences, but > "an off licence" is a place which principally sells alcohol. Round > here they all seem to belong to a chain called Bargain Booze. > Children like them because they stay open late and also sell sweets, > crisps, ... alcopops... -- >>> The target readers of this manual are the Indian salesmen. >> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > unlikely that brand salesman would visit individual UK supermarkets, > since buying is almost certainly centralised. Maybe not the big supermarkets but you do find something of the sort happening in smaller stores where different suppliers may have their own displays placed. Yesterday in the very large grocery shop attached to a local PYO farm, I encountered someone from a company that makes those very expensive vegetable crisps rearranging the display so that it was more prominent than the products of a competitor. I noticed this because I wanted to pick up a bag of her company's product but she was so busy rearranging things that she was in my way and seemed not to notice that she was inhibiting potential sales. SignatureLaura (emulate St. George for email) >>>> The target readers of this manual are the Indian salesmen. >>> [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > rearranging things that she was in my way and seemed not to notice that > she was inhibiting potential sales. Yes, I'm sure it's more common in shops not belonging to the major chains. But in both cases I can't imagine a big company such as Campbells or Heinz sending a rep to individual supermarkets to rearrange the shelves. Tesco or Morrisons would march them out the door. SignatureDavid >Yes, I'm sure it's more common in shops not belonging to the major >chains. But in both cases I can't imagine a big company such as >Campbells or Heinz sending a rep to individual supermarkets to rearrange >the shelves. Tesco or Morrisons would march them out the door. I think you've misunderstood what I've written. Using Campbells as an example, the rep will tidy up the part of the shelves where Campbells products are stocked. He'll rotate the cans to bring the older cans forward, he'll replace dented or disfigured cans, and he may change the number of noodle soup facings by taking away a facing of some soup that isn't moving. The amount of shelving allowed to Campbells doesn't change. However, being competitive, he may compress the Heinz by a facing or two and replace those facings with Campbells. He would be unauthorized to do so. He couldn't make major changes or he'd be caught. It's not like he'd do it every call and that there would be changes the supermarket manager would notice. SignatureTony Cooper - Orlando, Florida >> Yes, I'm sure it's more common in shops not belonging to the major >> chains. But in both cases I can't imagine a big company such as [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > caught. It's not like he'd do it every call and that there would be > changes the supermarket manager would notice. I'm sure that David is correct and this doesn't happen in large UK supermarkets although I'd be surrpised if suppliers didn't check where their products were sited, formally or informally. Whenever I visit a bookshop I always look for my cousin's books and make sure they are prominently displayed, which sometimes involves rearranging the shelves a bit. SignatureLaura (emulate St. George for email) >>Yes, I'm sure it's more common in shops not belonging to the major >>chains. But in both cases I can't imagine a big company such as [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >caught. It's not like he'd do it every call and that there would be >changes the supermarket manager would notice. But Omrud's point stands. In the supermarket chains in the UK, the reps do not go to the individual shop. They go to head office, and they negotiate end stands and displays, and amounts the supermarkets will stock. Once that decision is made, it is the individual shops' staff who stack the shelves according to a plan sent to them by head office. SignatureLinz Wet Yorks via Cambridge, York, London and Watford My accent may vary >>>Yes, I'm sure it's more common in shops not belonging to the major >>>chains. But in both cases I can't imagine a big company such as [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >But Omrud's point stands. I'm not disputing his point. I have no idea what goes on in UK supermarkets. All I'm doing is trying to accurately convey what goes on here. >In the supermarket chains in the UK, the >reps do not go to the individual shop. They go to head office, and >they negotiate end stands and displays, and amounts the supermarkets >will stock. Once that decision is made, it is the individual shops' >staff who stack the shelves according to a plan sent to them by head >office. All I asked is if he knew this was the policy or if he was guessing this is the policy. Asking this is not challenging his statement. I'll ask you the same. Do you know if that person erecting the display, or tidying up the shelves in Tesco is a supermarket employee and not a vendor employee or are you assuming so? If you would ask Americans this, a great number would assume the person is supermarket employee because they were unfamiliar with the practice. People really don't normally pay attention to who does what when it doesn't directly affect them. I happen to know because I've known vendor reps in this market and know what they do. SignatureTony Cooper - Orlando, Florida > I'll ask you the same. Do you know if that person erecting the > display, or tidying up the shelves in Tesco is a supermarket employee [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > practice. People really don't normally pay attention to who does what > when it doesn't directly affect them. Very true, which is why I am convinced by Husband's observations - see my other post. > I happen to know because I've known vendor reps in this market and > know what they do. SignatureLaura (emulate St. George for email) >>>>Yes, I'm sure it's more common in shops not belonging to the major >>>>chains. But in both cases I can't imagine a big company such as [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] >display, or tidying up the shelves in Tesco is a supermarket employee >and not a vendor employee or are you assuming so? The uniform worn by the shelf-stacker is a huge giveaway. Reps wear suits. SignatureLinz Wet Yorks via Cambridge, York, London and Watford My accent may vary >>>>> Yes, I'm sure it's more common in shops not belonging to the major >>>>> chains. But in both cases I can't imagine a big company such as [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > The uniform worn by the shelf-stacker is a huge giveaway. Reps wear > suits. In these parts, I have seen delivery men, wearing their company's uniforms, stock their shelving area in grocery stores. I'm sure I've seen Pepsi men and some people from major bread brands doing that. That practice might be limited to just a few brands, though. SignatureSkitt (AmE) > > The uniform worn by the shelf-stacker is a huge giveaway. Reps wear > > suits. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > seen Pepsi men and some people from major bread brands doing that. > That practice might be limited to just a few brands, though. I've seen soda, chips, and bread being stocked by uniformed delivery people. Other than that, most stocking I've seen has been by store personnel. Brian SignatureIf televison's a babysitter, the Internet is a drunk librarian who won't shut up. -- Dorothy Gambrell (http://catandgirl.com) > >>>>> Yes, I'm sure it's more common in shops not belonging to the major > >>>>> chains. But in both cases I can't imagine a big company such as [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > and some people from major bread brands doing that. That practice might be > limited to just a few brands, though. Definately happens here at least in some of the smaller grocery stores. The company uniform is the give-away. For some reason potato chips (crisps) seem to be subject to this. John Kane Kingston ON Canada >>I'll ask you the same. Do you know if that person erecting the >>display, or tidying up the shelves in Tesco is a supermarket employee >>and not a vendor employee or are you assuming so? > >The uniform worn by the shelf-stacker is a huge giveaway. Reps wear >suits. As I've said, I'm not familiar with UK supermarket practices. In the US, the checkers (cashier or till workers) wear either a uniform or a uniform top or a uniform smock, the stock boys (self-stackers to you, I guess), wear the same. Management wears street clothes and a name badge. Both reps and management in the supermarket game wear shirts and ties, but not suit jackets. The suit jacket may be in the office or the car, but it's not worn when they're on the floor. Our stock boys are most noticeable because they come out with a cart laden with items to put on the shelves. They usually manage to block the aisle that contains whatever it is I'm looking for. I wouldn't notice if the guy setting up the display of tidying up the shelves had a badge on or not. It's just not something I'd pay attention to. SignatureTony Cooper - Orlando, Florida >>>> Yes, I'm sure it's more common in shops not belonging to the major >>>> chains. But in both cases I can't imagine a big company such as [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > I happen to know because I've known vendor reps in this market and > know what they do. I don't know if any other Australians have commented yet but my experience is similar to what you describe, Tony. I shop at a couple of large supermarket chains and I'm always tripping over people wearing "Visitor" badges who are fiddling about with a specific shelf of products. Sometimes they are giving away free food samples at the end of an aisle, as well, and they are definitely not employed by the supermarket. As far as I can tell a supermarket here has different contracts with its suppliers. Some suppliers rent shelf space and maintain those via the efforts of visiting sales staff and others pay the supermarket to fill the shelves for them. I'm talking about dry and frozen goods mostly because I think the delicatessen, fresh meat and fresh vegetables and fruit areas have stricter hygiene controls that mean the supermarket has to monitor their placement and shelf-life. the Omrud wrote, in <XP9_j.9027$DZ6.5341@text.news.virginmedia.com> on Sun, 25 May 2008 08:55:19 GMT: > >>>> The target readers of this manual are the Indian salesmen. > >>> [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > Campbells or Heinz sending a rep to individual supermarkets to rearrange > the shelves. Tesco or Morrisons would march them out the door. It certainly happens here in a branch of a nationwide chain. I have more than once asked for assistance from someone working at the shelves and been told that he is just there for that particular product and doesn't know where to find anything else. SignatureNick Spalding BrE/IrE > the Omrud wrote, in <XP9_j.9027$DZ6.5341@text.news.virginmedia.com> > on Sun, 25 May 2008 08:55:19 GMT: [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > been told that he is just there for that particular product and doesn't > know where to find anything else. That does happen if they are "demonstrating" a product (offering free samples, for example) but not, AFAIK, for shelf stacking. SignatureDavid the Omrud wrote, in <rYi_j.9290$DZ6.352@text.news.virginmedia.com> on Sun, 25 May 2008 19:18:47 GMT: > > the Omrud wrote, in <XP9_j.9027$DZ6.5341@text.news.virginmedia.com> > > on Sun, 25 May 2008 08:55:19 GMT: [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > That does happen if they are "demonstrating" a product (offering free > samples, for example) but not, AFAIK, for shelf stacking. The people I am talking about were clearly stacking. SignatureNick Spalding BrE/IrE >>>> The target readers of this manual are the Indian salesmen. >>> [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] >rearranging things that she was in my way and seemed not to notice that >she was inhibiting potential sales. The big ice-cream companies (Lyons, Ben & Jerry's, etc) rent out freezer cabinets on favorable terms (or possibly supply them free) on condition that they are not used for displaying anything other than their own products. I expect their reps go around the stores to ensure that this condition is being complied with. Small shops which only have room for one cabinet frequently sell nothing but Lyons' ice-cream. (Those who wish to misconstrue this last sentence may indulge themselves if they wish.) SignatureDon Aitken Mail to the From: address is not read. To email me, substitute "clara.co.uk" for "freeuk.com" >>>>> The target readers of this manual are the Indian salesmen. >>>> Of what? Where? [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > ice-cream. (Those who wish to misconstrue this last sentence may > indulge themselves if they wish.) I have just had a conversation with the small shopkeeper closest to my heart who happens to have one small cabinet full of ice cream - Ben & Jerry's, Green & Black's, Walls Magnums etc. He tells me that he bought his own freezer in order to be able to buy from any supplier he chose. He also tells me that he has seen company reps in both Sainsbury's and Tesco moving stock around on shelves, checking sell-by dates etc. As he spends significantly more time in supermarkets than I do and, having always been in the retail trade, he takes an interest in things that might escape the notice of the ordinary shopper, I tend to believe him. SignatureLaura (emulate St. George for email) > I have just had a conversation with the small shopkeeper closest to my > heart who happens to have one small cabinet full of ice cream - Ben & > Jerry's, Green & Black's, Walls Magnums etc. He tells me that he bought > his own freezer in order to be able to buy from any supplier he chose. I thought the product lock-down after provision of a free cooler or fridge had been ruled out of order by some sort of watchdog. > He also tells me that he has seen company reps in both Sainsbury's and > Tesco moving stock around on shelves, checking sell-by dates etc. As he > spends significantly more time in supermarkets than I do and, having > always been in the retail trade, he takes an interest in things that > might escape the notice of the ordinary shopper, I tend to believe him. Fair enough. I was guessing, as I said. SignatureDavid >I have just had a conversation with the small shopkeeper closest to my >heart who happens to have one small cabinet full of ice cream - Ben & >Jerry's, Green & Black's, Walls Magnums etc. He tells me that he bought >his own freezer in order to be able to buy from any supplier he chose. In the US, convenience stores (does that term need explaining?) usually have a soft drink dispenser that dispenses six or so types of beverage. Coca Cola or Pepsi will furnish this machine (which is rather expensive) if the store will agree to sell only Coke or Pepsi products. (Both make a range of beverages) If the store offers both Coke and Pepsi products, the store has purchased the dispenser. Since I prefer Diet Pepsi, I've learned which chains offer both or just Pepsi. It's much like looking for a free house instead of a tied house. SignatureTony Cooper - Orlando, Florida >He also tells me that he has seen company reps in both Sainsbury's and >Tesco moving stock around on shelves, checking sell-by dates etc. As he >spends significantly more time in supermarkets than I do and, having >always been in the retail trade, he takes an interest in things that >might escape the notice of the ordinary shopper, I tend to believe him. I take it all back. SignatureLinz Wet Yorks via Cambridge, York, London and Watford My accent may vary >The big ice-cream companies (Lyons, Ben & Jerry's, etc) rent out >freezer cabinets on favorable terms (or possibly supply them free) on [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >ice-cream. (Those who wish to misconstrue this last sentence may >indulge themselves if they wish.) I must make a point of looking at the ice-cream cabinet in my nearest shop. The shop is not part of a chain. It sells newspapers, magazines, chocolates, milk, ice-cream, greetings cards, and a few other bits and pieces, edible and inedible. It is "Gwen's Newsagents". Her surname is Lyons. SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english) Yesterday my wife asked me to stop at the mall long enough for her to go into Macy's and pick up a bottle of some Clinique product she uses. Sitting in the car waiting for her, I was thinking of this thread. The cosmetic counters in the stores here are usually set up by specific brand of cosmetic. Clinique has an island that sells only Clinique products. I wonder if that sales point is manned (sic) by women that work for Clinique or work for Macy's. They are rather competitive (thread convergence) and always attempt to sell larger containers of the product or additional products. I know this because every December I pick up at least one Clinique product for my wife for Christmas or her birthday. It always fits and is never returned. The fact that they push so hard for additional sales makes me think they are on commission or some sort of incentive plan. I suppose Macy's pays some department store clerks commission, but it's more likely the incentive comes from Clinique. The Macy's clerk who rings up my shirt, socks, or underwear purchase never pushes for a higher sale. Anyone know about this? It'll be December before I'm back in a mall or I'd ask one of them. SignatureTony Cooper - Orlando, Florida > Yesterday my wife asked me to stop at the mall long enough for her to > go into Macy's and pick up a bottle of some Clinique product she uses. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I wonder if that sales point is manned (sic) by women that work for > Clinique or work for Macy's. Generally, they work for Macy's, but recieve training from Clinique. Some are trained by several companies, so they can swap islands if they need to (scheduling, someone calling in sick) > The fact that they push so hard for additional sales makes me think > they are on commission or some sort of incentive plan. I suppose > Macy's pays some department store clerks commission, but it's more > likely the incentive comes from Clinique. > The Macy's clerk who rings up my shirt, socks, or underwear purchase > never pushes for a higher sale. They never suggest socks when you buy shoes, or a tie when you buy a belt? How polite of them. > Anyone know about this? It'll be December before I'm back in a mall > or I'd ask one of them. >> The Macy's clerk who rings up my shirt, socks, or underwear purchase >> never pushes for a higher sale. > >They never suggest socks when you buy shoes, or a tie when you buy a belt? >How polite of them. Nope. I used to buy my suits at Brooks Brothers, and they did make an effort to add shirts and ties to the order. The salesman would lay out a shirt and a few ties that matched the suit. Very low pressure. Never had it happen at a department store, though, but I never bought department store suits. I never did like the cut of the Brooks Brothers shirts. Their shirts were not tapered at the waist, and in the days that I bought suits I could wear tapered shirts. Now I can't wear tapered shirts and Brooks Brothers probably tapers theirs. SignatureTony Cooper - Orlando, Florida >>> The Macy's clerk who rings up my shirt, socks, or underwear purchase >>> never pushes for a higher sale. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >Brothers probably tapers theirs. > It's hard to find shirts that taper the other way, innit? Signatureroses are #FF0000 violets are #0000FF all my base are belong to you > Yesterday my wife asked me to stop at the mall long enough for her to > go into Macy's and pick up a bottle of some Clinique product she uses. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Anyone know about this? It'll be December before I'm back in a mall > or I'd ask one of them. My s-i-l, who lives with us but is not at home right now, works for Macy's at one of those counters. She wears a red shirt with some brand on it. Macy's pays her a commission on what she sells, and the cosmetics brand gives some rewards (in the form of their products) for her sales also. I think she worked the Shiseido counter some time ago, but right now I'm not sure what she sells. I think I've seen the Clarins name on her shirts recently. SignatureSkitt (AmE) > Yesterday my wife asked me to stop at the mall long enough for her to > go into Macy's and pick up a bottle of some Clinique product she uses. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Anyone know about this? It'll be December before I'm back in a mall > or I'd ask one of them. I'm fairly certain that in UK department stores, some of the cosmetic counters are staffed by employees of the brand, not of the store. They're called "concessions" which I think is also used in US English for a similar concept, such as hot dog stands inside a sport stadium. AUE's favourite actress, Tamsin Greig, has recently been seen in a second series of Love Soup on BBC 1, in which she played the manageress of a concession in a London department store - I think she used the term in one of the episodes. WikiP uses the word, albeit in an ugly sentence. I want to know in what manner she does live in Brighton: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_Soup: Alice is a modern woman with old-fashioned values. She is the manageress of a perfume company concession in a London department store, however she lives in Brighton. </quote> SignatureDavid >> Yesterday my wife asked me to stop at the mall long enough for her to >> go into Macy's and pick up a bottle of some Clinique product she uses. [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > she lives in Brighton. > </quote> Didn't she move from Brighton in a recent episode? Tomorrow we are going to see TG in Gods of Carnage. SignatureLaura (emulate St. George for email) >>> Yesterday my wife asked me to stop at the mall long enough for her to >>> go into Macy's and pick up a bottle of some Clinique product she uses. [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > Didn't she move from Brighton in a recent episode? Sort of - she let her flat in Brighton and rented a room from an actress. > Tomorrow we are going to see TG in Gods of Carnage. Excellent. We saw Brenda Blethyn in Glass Menagerie on Saturday; a very good play about which I had previously known nothing. SignatureDavid >>The big ice-cream companies (Lyons, Ben & Jerry's, etc) rent out >>freezer cabinets on favorable terms (or possibly supply them free) on [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >It is "Gwen's Newsagents". Her surname is Lyons. No. Gwen Lyons doesn't sell Lyons ice-cream. The ice-cream cabinet and contents are supplied by HB (usually pronounced Haitch Bee). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HB_Ice_Cream SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english) > > This sentence is mentioned in a sales call model. The text is part > > of a salesman's training document. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > "patch". "forum" makes no sense to me in this sentence. Is there > any more context? I'm sitting here knocking out a banging piece of ambient handbag in Cubase. My initial though was that Beat Wise was a piece of software to calculate tempo in bpm - which would be very handy. DC -- >>> This sentence is mentioned in a sales call model. The text is part >>> of a salesman's training document. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Cubase. My initial though was that Beat Wise was a piece of software > to calculate tempo in bpm - which would be very handy. Mr Cat, your posts are becoming less and less scrutable. Ambient handbag? SignatureLaura (emulate St. George for email) > > I'm sitting here knocking out a banging piece of ambient handbag in > > Cubase. My initial though was that Beat Wise was a piece of > > software to calculate tempo in bpm - which would be very handy. > > Mr Cat, your posts are becoming less and less scrutable. Ambient > handbag? I will take that to heart Laura, and mend my ways. Despite being an old rocker I do like to dabble with Techno, Drum n Bass and other forms of modern, computer-created Dance Music. One of the features of such music is its capacity to create ever more esoteric sub-genres. Two of these are 'Handbag house' and 'Ambient'. BPM stands for Beats per Minute, and is often marked on records as a guide for DJs. The standard bpm tempo for many tunes is 120, which is thought to correlate with the heatbeat of a person dancing without too much effort. DC -- >LFS wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >standard bpm tempo for many tunes is 120, which is thought to correlate >with the heatbeat of a person dancing without too much effort. I thought it was Pratchett, like sentient pearwood. Ambient handbag is to be found in the Gardens of the Blessed Margaret, down Ankh-Morpork way. SignaturePaul > > > Mr Cat, your posts are becoming less and less scrutable. Ambient > > > handbag? [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > is to be found in the Gardens of the Blessed Margaret, down > Ankh-Morpork way. That idea definitely has legs. DC -- >> > > Mr Cat, your posts are becoming less and less scrutable. Ambient >> > > handbag? [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >That idea definitely has legs. >DC A handbag with legs? That would be an ambulatory handbag. SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english) > >> > > Mr Cat, your posts are becoming less and less scrutable. > Ambient >> > > handbag? [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > A handbag with legs? > That would be an ambulatory handbag. Lots and lots of little legs... -- >>>>>> Mr Cat, your posts are becoming less and less scrutable. Ambient >>>>>> >> > > handbag? These attributions are certainly becoming less and less scrutable. >>>>> I will take that to heart Laura, and mend my ways. Despite being >> an >> > old rocker I do like to dabble with Techno, Drum n Bass and [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Lots and lots of little legs... A footbag, Shirley? Or at least a legbag. (I've suddenly epiphanized: did Terry P get the idea for that box from the word "foot-locker"?) (Just remembered: at school we had to have something called a "games bag". This was a pillow tick, open at one end, with tape handles, intended for hanging up with one's rugger etc kit in.) SignatureMike. ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** >>>>>>> Mr Cat, your posts are becoming less and less scrutable. Ambient >>>>>>> >> > > handbag? [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >A footbag, Shirley? Or at least a legbag. (I've suddenly epiphanized: >did Terry P get the idea for that box from the word "foot-locker"?) According to "Band of Brothers", Easy Company (and presumably other airborne companies) were provided with leg bags just prior to D-Day, so they had no time to practise with them. The bags weighed several kilos and were tethered to the paratrooper's leg. Many of the tethers snapped when their chutes opened. See, for example, Dick Winter's site: http://www.majordickwinters.com/Articles/aboutwinters.html SignatureRobin (BrE) Herts, England >modern, computer-created Dance Music. One of the features of such >music is its capacity to create ever more esoteric sub-genres. Two of >these are 'Handbag house' and 'Ambient'. So, Sussex girls on Ecstasy, then? http://users.bestweb.net/~notr/arkville.html "I felt like I was in a ¬R demented Wallace Stevens poem, with food poisoning." Spalding Gray > > modern, computer-created Dance Music. One of the features of such > > music is its capacity to create ever more esoteric sub-genres. Two > > of these are 'Handbag house' and 'Ambient'. > > So, Sussex girls on Ecstasy, then? I expect so. Will we be cross-posting this one to alt.tossers? DC -- On May 24, 8:51 pm, English_is_not_my_native_language <amorep...@gmail.com> wrote: > Could anyone please suggest me the meaning of the term "forum/beat > details" in the sentence mentioned below: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Thanks in advance! My guess is that "Forum/Beat details" is a menu item in their sales software (or perhaps "Forum details" and "Beat details" are two separate items), "extract" is talking about extracting data from a computer database, and "beat wise" and "retailer wise" refer to sales data for the particular beat (area that the salesman covers) or retailer that is specified. No idea what "forum" means. 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