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Could someone tell me which of the following is correct usage, and why: We teachers are a hard-working, dedicated group... Us teachers are a hard-working, dedicated group... TIA > Could someone tell me which of the following is correct usage, and why: > We teachers are a hard-working, dedicated group... > Us teachers are a hard-working, dedicated group... Remove your word "teachers" from both sentences and you will immediately know your answer. A general guideline, "We" cause an action which effects "Us" We humans are curing global warming which is good for all of us. We - gives Us - receives  SignaturePurl Gurl -- So many are stumped by what slips right off the top of my mind like a man's bad fitting hairpiece. Purl Gurl set the following eddies spiralling through the space-time continuum: > "We" cause an action which effects "Us" It might "affect" "us" too. Signatureξ:) Proud to be curly Interchange the alphabetic letter groups to reply >> "We" cause an action which effects "Us" > It might "affect" "us" too. Damn, I can never get away with anything around here. Wait! Does she mean we effect an action which causes "us" to come to being? Oh no, could be she means we cause an action which effects an influence upon us; we effect an affect upon us. I am so confused! SignaturePurl Gurl -- So many are stumped by what slips right off the top of my mind like a man's bad fitting hairpiece. Purl Gurl set the following eddies spiralling through the space-time continuum: >>> "We" cause an action which effects "Us" > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > I am so confused! You're having that affect on me now. :) Signatureξ:) Proud to be curly Interchange the alphabetic letter groups to reply >>>> "We" cause an action which effects "Us" >>> It might "affect" "us" too. >> Damn, I can never get away with anything >> around here. >> Wait! Does she mean we effect an action >> which causes "us" to come to being? >> Oh no, could be she means we cause an >> action which effects an influence upon >> us; we effect an affect upon us. >> I am so confused! > You're having that affect on me now. :) Then I am successful in my task which is to confound, to befuddle and to confuse readers. I effect my affect with such talent! SignaturePurl Gurl -- So many are stumped by what slips right off the top of my mind like a man's bad fitting hairpiece. Purl Gurl set the following eddies spiralling through the space-time continuum: > Then I am successful in my task which is to > confound, to befuddle and to confuse readers. But not necessarily in that order. Signatureξ:) Proud to be curly Interchange the alphabetic letter groups to reply >> Then I am successful in my task which is to >> confound, to befuddle and to confuse readers. > But not necessarily in that order. You are a mean curly headed boy, you are trying to confuse readers. SignaturePurl Gurl -- So many are stumped by what slips right off the top of my mind like a man's bad fitting hairpiece. >>>>> "We" cause an action which effects "Us" > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >I effect my affect with such talent! Snot talent, an affectation. SignatureRichard Bollard Canberra Australia To email, I'm at AMT not spAMT. <snip> >Then I am successful in my task which is to >confound, to befuddle and to confuse readers. Why would any serious writer, even of comedy, want to do that? >I effect my affect with such talent! Your talent for patting yourself on the back has been well demonstrated, Gurl. SignatureRegards, Chuck Riggs Near Dublin, Ireland (snipped) >> I effect my affect with such talent! > Your talent for patting yourself on the back has been well > demonstrated, Gurl. I can also do the splits with equal ease. SignaturePurl Gurl -- So many are stumped by what slips right off the top of my mind like a man's bad fitting hairpiece. > Could someone tell me which of the following is correct usage, and why: > > We teachers are a hard-working, dedicated group... > > Us teachers are a hard-working, dedicated group... Take the nouns out of the subject and think about which pronoun is the correct one. SignatureLinz Wet Yorks via Cambridge, York, London and Watford My accent may vary > Could someone tell me which of the following is correct usage, and why: > > We teachers are a hard-working, dedicated group... > > Us teachers are a hard-working, dedicated group... TEACHERS is the subject of both sentences, thus is in the nominative or subjective case. If reinforced by a pronoun as well, that pronoun must be in the same case. WE is the nominative/subjective case, and US is the accusative/objective case, thus ungrammatical where it occurs here, being in a case diferent from that of the noun it reinforces. SignatureDon Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada) >> Could someone tell me which of the following is correct usage, and why: >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >ungrammatical where it occurs here, being in a >case diferent from that of the noun it reinforces. Fine, but someone learning English might well find that advice difficult to understand. PG's advice, while lacking rigour, was more practical, I thought: remove the "teachers" and it is simple to see why "We" is the correct choice. SignatureRegards, Chuck Riggs Near Dublin, Ireland vibart wrote, in <488efcaf$0$4680$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> on 29 Jul 2008 06:21:05 -0500: > Could someone tell me which of the following is correct usage, and why: > > We teachers are a hard-working, dedicated group... > > Us teachers are a hard-working, dedicated group... I picked up a nice example of us/we confusion at the tourist office in Aurignac in south-western France a few years ago: <http://i37.tinypic.com/r8hszn.jpg> SignatureNick Spalding BrE/IrE > vibart wrote, in <488efcaf$0$4680$bb4e3...@newscene.com> > on 29 Jul 2008 06:21:05 -0500: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > <http://i37.tinypic.com/r8hszn.jpg> That's amazing. Though I almost suspect it's an error in reading handwriting (by a human or a computer) rather than in grammar. "Vetenary" is good too--shows why you shouldn't listen to native speakers. -- Jerry Friedman jerry_friedman@yahoo.com wrote, in <459ff23c-b9e6-4242-bc35-952cf70a778a@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> on Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:40:20 -0700 (PDT): > > I picked up a nice example of us/we confusion at the tourist office in > > Aurignac in south-western France a few years ago: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > That's amazing. Though I almost suspect it's an error in reading > handwriting (by a human or a computer) rather than in grammar. This was way back in 1994; I doubt if the Aurignac Syndicat d'Initiative had an OCR scanner in those days though I suppose Crédit Agricole just might have. > "Vetenary" is good too--shows why you shouldn't listen to native > speakers. SignatureNick Spalding BrE/IrE > vibart wrote, in <488efcaf$0$4680$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> > on 29 Jul 2008 06:21:05 -0500: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > <http://i37.tinypic.com/r8hszn.jpg> It never ceases to amaze me that despite nearly 1000 years of regular communication, over a distance of less than 50km, this sort of thing still happens. SignatureStupot http://insignity.blogspot.com > Could someone tell me which of the following is correct usage, and why: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > TIA The simple answer is that the first one is correct be cause you are using We Teachers as the subject. Us is the accusitive form of we. |
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