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Xah Lee - 27 Nov 2008 16:43 GMT
In this phrase:
«“It is better to marry than to burn,” as St. Paul puts it.»

Does anyone know which St. Paul it refers to?

Wikipedia list several possibilities.

The article in question is:

• Has Religion Made Useful Contributions to Civilization?
 http://xahlee.org/p/religion_Russell.html

Thanks.

 Xah
http://xahlee.org/


CDB - 27 Nov 2008 16:59 GMT
> In this phrase:
> «"It is better to marry than to burn," as St. Paul puts it.»

> Does anyone know which St. Paul it refers to?

> Wikipedia list several possibilities.

> The article in question is:

> . Has Religion Made Useful Contributions to Civilization?
>   http://xahlee.org/p/religion_Russell.html

St. Paul the Apostle, AKA Saul of Tarsus.  The one whose letters in
the Bible include your quotation, in I Corinthians 7:9.
Xah Lee - 27 Nov 2008 18:10 GMT
> > In this phrase:
> > «"It is better to marry than to burn," as St. Paul puts it.»
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> St. Paul the Apostle, AKA Saul of Tarsus.  The one whose letters in
> the Bible include your quotation, in I Corinthians 7:9.

Thanks CDB!

PS just noticed that the “burn” there means “burning with sexual
desire”.

 Xah
http://xahlee.org/


Xah Lee - 27 Nov 2008 18:47 GMT
> > > In this phrase:
> > > «"It is better to marry than to burn," as St. Paul puts it.»
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> PS just noticed that the “burn” there means “burning with sexual
> desire”.

O wait. After reading moron Martin Ambuhl's statement, i'm not sure.

Is it plausible that the “burn” may mean like burning to death? as in
“it's better to get married than be punished and burned to death”?

 Xah
http://xahlee.org/


Peter Duncanson (BrE) - 27 Nov 2008 18:55 GMT
>> > > In this phrase:
>> > > «"It is better to marry than to burn," as St. Paul puts it.»
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>Is it plausible that the “burn” may mean like burning to death? as in
>“it's better to get married than be punished and burned to death”?

This website has various translations of the sentence:
http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/7-9.htm

They all "agree with" Martin Ambuhl.

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Xah Lee - 27 Nov 2008 19:05 GMT
Xah Lee wrote:
> In this phrase:
> «"It is better to marry than to burn," as St. Paul puts it.»
>  http://xahlee.org/p/religion_Russell.html
> Is it plausible that the “burn” may mean like burning to death? as in
> “it's better to get married than be punished and burned to death”?

> This website has various translations of the sentence:
> http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/7-9.htm
> They all "agree with" Martin Ambuhl.

Huh? First of all, Martin Ambuhl did not make a decisive comment about
this. All he said was “This happens to be one of those verses for
which new translations almost always have an "improvement".”. Taking
it liberally, he may implie that that the original meaning may in fact
be “burn to death as punishment”, since most of the versions translate
it as “burn with desire”.

Secondly, in the multi-version bible site url you gave, one of them
has this:

Douay-Rheims Bible
But if they do not contain themselves, let them marry. For it is
better to marry than to be burnt.

Note the word “burnt”, are much likely to mean “burnt to death” than
“burning with desire”.

 Xah
http://xahlee.org/


Pat Durkin - 28 Nov 2008 04:00 GMT
> Xah Lee wrote:
>> In this phrase:
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> Note the word “burnt”, are much likely to mean “burnt to death” than
> “burning with desire”.

Well, burnt in hell, maybe.  I was taught that the line refers to
masturbation, which earns one a trip to hell if a body doesnt get out
and get married.  Wasting all that seed, f'cryin out loud.
Chuck Riggs - 28 Nov 2008 16:01 GMT
>> Xah Lee wrote:
>>> In this phrase:
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
>masturbation, which earns one a trip to hell if a body doesnt get out
>and get married.  Wasting all that seed, f'cryin out loud.

Hasn't the Catholic Church deregulated masturbation from its former
sin status to that of a misdemeanor?
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Chuck Riggs
Near Dublin, Ireland

Pat Durkin - 28 Nov 2008 18:27 GMT
>>> Xah Lee wrote:
>>>> In this phrase:
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>>>> in
>>>> "it's better to get married than be punished and burned to death"?
.

>>> Secondly, in the multi-version bible site url you gave, one of them
>>> has this:
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> Hasn't the Catholic Church deregulated masturbation from its former
> sin status to that of a misdemeanor?

I can only comment on what I was raised with.  Haven't kept touch since
I gained my majority.  But "misdemeanor" is a legal term, isn't it?  The
nuns seemed to me to consider any sexual offense as "mortal", while
minor stealing and lying were "venial".  Maybe Church courts have been
able to express in the Canons exactly which sins are felonies and which
misdemeanors.

http://www.newadvent.org/library/docs_df75se.htm  (Persona Humana,
December '75)
From Chapter VII:
[13] St. Paul will be even more explicit when he shows that if unmarried
people or widows cannot live chastely they have no other alternative
than the stable union of marriage: ". . .it is better to marry than to
be aflame with passion."

From Chapter IX:
. . .Whatever the force of certain arguments of a biological and
philosophical nature, which have sometimes been used by theologians, in
fact both the Magisterium of the Church--in the course of a constant
tradition-- and the moral sense of the faithful have declared without
hesitation that masturbation is an intrinsically and seriously
disordered act.   [19]    For it lacks the sexual relationship called
for by the moral order, namely the relationship which realizes "the full
sense of mutual self-giving and human procreation in the context of true
love. . .Even if it cannot be proved that Scripture condemns this sin by
name, the tradition of the Church has rightly understood it to be
condemned in the New Testament when the latter speaks of "impurity,"
"unchasteness" and other vices contrary to chastity and continence.

I guess you takes your chances, like Don Juan.
Chuck Riggs - 29 Nov 2008 17:18 GMT
>>>> Xah Lee wrote:
>>>>> In this phrase:
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
>I gained my majority.  But "misdemeanor" is a legal term, isn't it?  <sni
>I guess you takes your chances, like Don Juan.

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Regards,

Chuck Riggs
Near Dublin, Ireland

Chuck Riggs - 29 Nov 2008 17:22 GMT
>>>> Xah Lee wrote:
>>>>> In this phrase:
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
>I can only comment on what I was raised with.  Haven't kept touch since
>I gained my majority.  But "misdemeanor" is a legal term, isn't it?

Sorry, but it is damn nigh impossible for me to take religion
seriously.

<snip>

>I guess you takes your chances, like Don Juan.

I never had his luck, but I guess you do.
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Regards,

Chuck Riggs
Near Dublin, Ireland

Pat Durkin - 29 Nov 2008 18:00 GMT
>>>>> Secondly, in the multi-version bible site url you gave, one of
>>>>> them has this:
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
>
> I never had his luck, but I guess you do.

He came to forgiveness or to burning in hell, at the end.  You takes
your pick of which ending suits you. His choice was whether to repent
and live, or to continue his dissolute ways, gambling that he would have
time to repent before death took him.

Bad religion, but not bad drama and philosopy.
Martin Ambuhl - 27 Nov 2008 18:34 GMT
Piggybacking on CDB's reply:
>> In this phrase:
>> «"It is better to marry than to burn," as St. Paul puts it.»
>
>> Does anyone know which St. Paul it refers to?
>
>> Wikipedia list several possibilities.

This sort of thing reminds me why I have Xah Lee killfiled.
If the quotation is outside of his experience, a simple Web search would
have settled this for him in seconds.

>> The article in question is:
>
>> . Has Religion Made Useful Contributions to Civilization?
>>   http://xahlee.org/p/religion_Russell.html

I shudder at the thought that the religious adept Xah Lee might be
anyone's source for anything.  Yes, I know he just stole Russell's
piece, but why would anyone trust his judgment about what might be
important or reliable?

> St. Paul the Apostle, AKA Saul of Tarsus.  The one whose letters in
> the Bible include your quotation, in I Corinthians 7:9.

As with most fixed phrases in English, the phrasing is from the
Authorized (King James) Version.  This happens to be one of those verses
for which new translations almost always have an "improvement".
Jeffrey Turner - 28 Nov 2008 23:00 GMT
>>In this phrase:
>>«"It is better to marry than to burn," as St. Paul puts it.»
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> St. Paul the Apostle, AKA Saul of Tarsus.  The one whose letters in
> the Bible include your quotation, in I Corinthians 7:9.

Shucks.  My money was on St. Paul Minnesota.

--Jeff

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