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Al Treacher - 26 Feb 2004 08:14 GMT
Mentally wrestling with the correct usage of 'an' or 'a' before a word
beginning with the letter 'u'...

Normally, since 'u' is a vowel, the answer would be to use 'an'.
But...  the word (universal, in this case) doesn't *sound* like it
starts with a 'u' but phonetically sounds like it starts with a 'y'
(yooniversal!).

So, stuck at work and unable to get to my shelf at home of books about
grammar and usage, I'm a bit stumped.  Hitting Google hasn't actually
got me any closer to the 'correct' answer.

Can anyone help with any opinions and references please?  

Thanks,
Al
Sebastian Hew - 26 Feb 2004 09:21 GMT
> Mentally wrestling with the correct usage of 'an' or 'a' before a word
> beginning with the letter 'u'...
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> starts with a 'u' but phonetically sounds like it starts with a 'y'
> (yooniversal!).

Spelling is irrelevant in determining whether 'a' or 'an' should be
used, which is determined by whether the following word begins with a
vowel or consonant phoneme. C.f. 'a universally acknowledged truth', 'a
historic event', 'an historical novel', etc. In your case, 'a universal'
is correct.
Alan Crozier - 26 Feb 2004 09:26 GMT
> Mentally wrestling with the correct usage of 'an' or 'a' before a word
> beginning with the letter 'u'...
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>
> Can anyone help with any opinions and references please?

Just say the word. If it begins with a consonant then use "a". Consonants
include /j/ and /w/. That's why we say "a university", "a European", "a
one-way street". Never mind that these consonants are written with letters
that are conventioanlly defined as vowels.

This is not an opinion, its a fact. You don't need any references.

Alan

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david56 - 26 Feb 2004 09:31 GMT
Al Treacher typed thus:

> Mentally wrestling with the correct usage of 'an' or 'a' before a word
> beginning with the letter 'u'...
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Can anyone help with any opinions and references please?  

There's not really anything more to say.  Your "normally" comment
above is wrong.  The choice between "a" and "an" depends on the sound
at the beginning of the following word, and not the spelling at all.  
There are some words which can go either way, depending on the
individual's pronunciations;  the most common of these is hotel.

A hotel (the h is aspirated)
An hotel (sounds like an o-tel)

So if your "u" word starts with a vowel sound, you need "an" (an
umpire), but if it starts with a consonant sound, you need "a" (a
unicorn).

There might be something in the AUE FAQ, but I can't see it just at
the moment:
http://alt-usage-english.org/fast_faq.shtml

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Mike Bandy - 28 Feb 2004 16:31 GMT
>Al Treacher typed thus:
>
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>A hotel (the h is aspirated)
>An hotel (sounds like an o-tel)

*An* hour and *a* half.

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Rolleston - 28 Feb 2004 17:23 GMT
My parents tell me that when I was young
I used to say "a napple".

R.
Donna Richoux - 28 Feb 2004 19:11 GMT
> My parents tell me that when I was young
> I used to say "a napple".

So did we all. The question would be, did you say "my napple," "your
napple," "a good napple," "more napples," etc?

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Michael Nitabach - 28 Feb 2004 21:07 GMT
trio@euronet.nl (Donna Richoux) wrote in news:1g9vt2e.1tzjdiy71p9j4N%
trio@euronet.nl:

>> My parents tell me that when I was young
>> I used to say "a napple".
>
> So did we all. The question would be, did you say "my napple," "your
> napple," "a good napple," "more napples," etc?

I never said "napple".

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John Dunlop - 26 Feb 2004 10:42 GMT
> Mentally wrestling with the correct usage of 'an' or 'a' before a word
> beginning with the letter 'u'...
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> starts with a 'u' but phonetically sounds like it starts with a 'y'
> (yooniversal!).

http://www.alt-usage-english.org/intro_d.shtml#Aoran

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Al Treacher - 26 Feb 2004 17:22 GMT
Sebastian, thanks.  I thought it would be determined phonetically -
but nevertheless I wanted to check.  And Jock, thanks for the
reference - much appreciated.

A

> > Mentally wrestling with the correct usage of 'an' or 'a' before a word
> > beginning with the letter 'u'...
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>
> http://www.alt-usage-english.org/intro_d.shtml#Aoran
Carmen L. Abruzzi - 29 Feb 2004 03:02 GMT
Once upon a 2/26/04 12:14 AM, in the land of
5f155b08.0402260014.50eb0429@posting.google.com, the good witch "Al
Treacher" from <big.al@stones.com> told the whole world all about how:

> Mentally wrestling with the correct usage of 'an' or 'a' before a word
> beginning with the letter 'u'...
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Can anyone help with any opinions and references please?

The definitions of "vowel" and "consonant" for the purpose of usage of "a"
versus "an" depends on the sound (the phonetics), not on the spelling (the
orthography).  Your "normally, ... 'u' is a vowel" is an orthographic
definition that does not apply to the decision of "a" or "an" as the
preceding indefinite article.

You and I and all of us, most likely, were taught in one lesson that "a e i
o u" are 'vowels'; and in another lesson that "'an' comes before 'vowels'".
It's just sloppy teaching.

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