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>way you put it, it might mean something else, such as that the feature
>is unavailable because the map hasn't been programmed yet.
If (as I believe) that Suyash is an 'end user', possibly trying to book
an airline ticket online, "initializing" is not an appropriate word to
use. It is simply computerbabble jargon which someone has not had the
sense to translate into everyday English.
Having got that off my chest, I'm off to initialize breakfast.

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Mark Brader - 06 Jan 2009 11:02 GMT
> It is simply computerbabble jargon which someone has not had the
> sense to translate into everyday English.
It *is* everyday English, which someone should have the sense to know.

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Ian Jackson - 06 Jan 2009 11:27 GMT
>> It is simply computerbabble jargon which someone has not had the
>> sense to translate into everyday English.
>
>It *is* everyday English, which someone should have the sense to know.
I think you mean "It IS everyday English, if only the speakers of
Everyday English knew it".

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tony cooper - 06 Jan 2009 15:11 GMT
>>>In message
>>><40a2aeb6-ce40-47f8-9f31-e2c26afa4c94@t26g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
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>
>Having got that off my chest, I'm off to initialize breakfast.
In Windows, when you go to Add/Remove Programs, you have to wait while
the list of currently installed programs is being "populated". I have
this fleeting vision of a bunch of moving vans (removal vans?) heading
towards the list.

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Ian Jackson - 06 Jan 2009 16:16 GMT
>>>>In message
>>>><40a2aeb6-ce40-47f8-9f31-e2c26afa4c94@t26g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
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>this fleeting vision of a bunch of moving vans (removal vans?) heading
>towards the list.
Indeed. I'll never think of "populate" in the same way again! I can
accept computerbabble words being used for computery things, but I don't
like it when they creep unnecessarily into everyday life. While
"populate" is not too confusing, everyman's English would be "fill in".

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Chuck Riggs - 06 Jan 2009 15:29 GMT
>>>In message
>>><40a2aeb6-ce40-47f8-9f31-e2c26afa4c94@t26g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
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>
>Having got that off my chest, I'm off to initialize breakfast.
That is babble; initializing the variables in an equation or in a
computer program is not. The phrase is straightforward English which
means a number of variables are being set to their initial values.
Easy-peasy.

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Roland Hutchinson - 06 Jan 2009 17:01 GMT
>>>>In message
>>>><40a2aeb6-ce40-47f8-9f31-e2c26afa4c94@t26g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
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> computer program is not. The phrase is straightforward English which
> means a number of variables are being set to their initial values.
The program initializes its variables.
So the program is doing the intializing.
How does one get from there to "the variables are intitializing"? And then
to "the map is initializing"? A map is not a variable.
> Easy-peasy.
Not for a non-native speaker.

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Chuck Riggs - 07 Jan 2009 11:42 GMT
>>>>>In message
>>>>><40a2aeb6-ce40-47f8-9f31-e2c26afa4c94@t26g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
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>How does one get from there to "the variables are intitializing"? And then
>to "the map is initializing"? A map is not a variable.
No, but the map can only be plotted after certain variables are
initialized, and even that explanation leaves out some steps. Note
that no explanation can be complete.
>> Easy-peasy.
>
>Not for a non-native speaker.
Most non-natives over the age of ten can take a joke, I think you'll
agree.

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Roland Hutchinson - 07 Jan 2009 16:56 GMT
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> Most non-natives over the age of ten can take a joke, I think you'll
> agree.
Sure, but they have to get the joke first. The switcharoo between
transitive and sorta-middle-voicey intransative meanings of the same verb
can be confusing -- sometimes even to native speakers.

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Chuck Riggs - 08 Jan 2009 15:39 GMT
>>>>>>>In message
>>>>>>><40a2aeb6-ce40-47f8-9f31-e2c26afa4c94@t26g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
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>transitive and sorta-middle-voicey intransative meanings of the same verb
>can be confusing -- sometimes even to native speakers.
I know I'm confused by the above, for example, and I've been speaking
English for over sixty years.

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Roland Hutchinson - 08 Jan 2009 16:08 GMT
>>> Most non-natives over the age of ten can take a joke, I think you'll
>>> agree.
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> I know I'm confused by the above, for example, and I've been speaking
> English for over sixty years.
I rest my case.

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