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Hello: Which "club" is this? "Strike" or "combine"? ------ [Party at the sanatorium.] The management had done its share. Each of the seven tables was decked with a paper lantern, a coloured moon with a lighted candle inside; when Settembrini entered, and passed by Hans Castorp's, he quoted: "See the gorgeous tongues of fire-- Club as gay as heart's desire--" Thomas Mann, The Magic Mountain, p. 328 Tr. H.T. Lowe-Porter ------ Thanks. Marius Hancu > Which "club" is this? > "Strike" or "combine"? > [Party at the sanatorium.] "Combine", according to Woods. The original must have a word that translates as "club", since they both use it. "Behold bright flames illuminated! A merry club has congregated." (p. 318 printed, 308 displayed) > The management had done its share. Each of the seven tables was > decked with a paper lantern, a coloured moon with a lighted candle > inside; when Settembrini entered, and passed by Hans Castorp's, he > quoted: > "See the gorgeous tongues of fire-- > Club as gay as heart's desire--" > Thomas Mann, The Magic Mountain, p. 328 > Tr. H.T. Lowe-Porter > > Which "club" is this? > > "Strike" or "combine"? [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Thomas Mann, The Magic Mountain, p. 328 > > Tr. H.T. Lowe-Porter 1. Do we need to know whether this quotation can be traced in German literature or is an invention of Mann's? 2. We should look foolish if it turned out there was a wild plant called fireclub.  SignatureDon Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada) >> > Which "club" is this? >> > "Strike" or "combine"? >> > [Party at the sanatorium.] >> "Combine", according to Woods. The original must have a word that >> translates as "club", since they both use it. >> "Behold bright flames illuminated! >> A merry club has congregated." (p. 318 printed, 308 displayed) >> > The management had done its share. Each of the seven tables was >> > decked with a paper lantern, a coloured moon with a lighted >> > candle >> > inside; when Settembrini entered, and passed by Hans Castorp's, >> > he >> > quoted: >> > "See the gorgeous tongues of fire-- >> > Club as gay as heart's desire--" >> > Thomas Mann, The Magic Mountain, p. 328 >> > Tr. H.T. Lowe-Porter > 1. Do we need to know whether this quotation can be > traced in German literature or is an invention of Mann's? I would love to be able to answer from a knowledge of the source, but, while I can skim English fast enough to search another translation for a passage, my ueberlame German would make that task impossible in the original. So far, no resident expert in the language has volunteered to bite the bullet. > 2. We should look foolish if it turned out there was > a wild plant called fireclub. I was counting on "congregated" in the Woods translation to eliminate the weapon theory, and the fact that both translators give the word in the singular (unless HTL-P is using it as a verb); but I see what you mean. [...] >> 1. Do we need to know whether this quotation can be >> traced in German literature or is an invention of Mann's? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > original. So far, no resident expert in the language has volunteered > to bite the bullet. I hesitate to award myself the grandiose title of "resident expert", but I have a copy of the original and would gladly assist -- on condition that I get a clue as to where to look. Page numbers (in the translation) alone are not very helpful and it is some time since I read the book; the number of pages in from the preceding (or following) chapter heading might be. [...] SignatureLes (BrE) > [...] > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > are not very helpful and it is some time since I read the book; the number > of pages in from the preceding (or following) chapter heading might be. Also, knowing the total number of pages in the translation (which we don't know yet) might make it possible to calculate a rough concordance. SignatureRoland Hutchinson Will play viola da gamba for food. NB mail to my.spamtrap [at] verizon.net is heavily filtered to remove spam. If your message looks like spam I may not see it. > [...] >>> 1. Do we need to know whether this quotation can be >>> traced in German literature or is an invention of Mann's? >> I would love to be able to answer from a knowledge of the source, >> but, while I can skim English fast enough to search another >> translation for a passage, my ueberlame German would make that >> task impossible in the original. So far, no resident expert in >> the language has volunteered to bite the bullet. > I hesitate to award myself the grandiose title of "resident > expert", but I have a copy of the original and would gladly assist > -- on condition that I get a clue as to where to look. Page numbers > (in the translation) alone are not very helpful and it is some time > since I read the book; the number of pages in from the preceding > (or following) chapter heading might be. > [...] Good idea. It's one that I have thought of suggesting to Marius in cases where he can't link to the text, so that interested commentators can check more context for themselves, but it makes even more sense when the text is a translation. Marius? |
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